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GT Water Hunt- PP Mode Strikes Again! Some Bling, Some Silver, But More Importantly Some Good Karma Points...
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Critterhunter
New member
Yesterday and today I mainly hunted in disc mode in the water and the finds have dried up for me. Next project? Wiring a waterproof remote PP trigger into my water shaft's grip, so I can plug the GT's remote PP jack on my GT into the water shaft just like I do on my land shaft. Hunting with my land shaft in the water the other day is probably the only reason why I used PP so much then and it sure paid off. Even with the control box chest mounted in the water it's just so much easier to flip a trigger on my grip and switch back and fourth between modes. I stayed in disc pretty much all day today in the water due to the getting sick of flipping the stock switch on my chest. I did roam a bit in PP only and ended up popping some deeper shotgun shells and tabs that I had missed with disc earlier today in the same spot, so once again PP mode showed me it's seeing stuff disc ain't at this mineralized beach, and once again some of this stuff isn't all that deep but disc is choking out on the minerals and either ignoring it or making it sound so bad you'd swear it was iron.
Md Epidemic
Member
Reading your post makes me want to go back to my local beach which has good amount of iron and just start cleaning it up in pinpoint.
I am using the Excal. The last time I was there I did not find much, the targets where scarce. I did manage to get a tiffany heart which was in the water a long time
and just gave a little bit of a tone.
I'm thinking if I clean up some of the iron (masking) and maybe a little more depth in pinpoint I may be able to pull a few more goodies. The last time i was there
only two people were in the water including myself so I wont be looking for fresh drops. I don't mind digging up trash & iron since I'm at this beach often.
Most of my posts on this forum have been finds from this beach.
What I really need to do is get my Elite Battery issue solved and then I can use different coils. I've been wanting to go in the water with the 8 inch and have a WOT
laying around somewhere that needs a connector installed. I have possiblities with the equipment I own, just never enough time to do anything, with all the other house projects,
family and work. Even have an amp and have not tried it once.
I guess I'm just curious to see if trying something different will get some results.
HH, Epi
P.S. congrats on your ring return
I am using the Excal. The last time I was there I did not find much, the targets where scarce. I did manage to get a tiffany heart which was in the water a long time
and just gave a little bit of a tone.
I'm thinking if I clean up some of the iron (masking) and maybe a little more depth in pinpoint I may be able to pull a few more goodies. The last time i was there
only two people were in the water including myself so I wont be looking for fresh drops. I don't mind digging up trash & iron since I'm at this beach often.
Most of my posts on this forum have been finds from this beach.
What I really need to do is get my Elite Battery issue solved and then I can use different coils. I've been wanting to go in the water with the 8 inch and have a WOT
laying around somewhere that needs a connector installed. I have possiblities with the equipment I own, just never enough time to do anything, with all the other house projects,
family and work. Even have an amp and have not tried it once.
I guess I'm just curious to see if trying something different will get some results.
HH, Epi
P.S. congrats on your ring return
OK second time at the beach with the Ultimate 13" on my GT. (east coast of fl) I would like to know what do I have to do to get a good smooth threshold ?What setting do I need. Do you ground balance first ? or don't ground balance.
Volume all the way or at 2pm with sensitivity just out of Auto OR 12 or 200pm I still can't make the threshold smooth like Critter says.
Is it because the beach here isn't mineralized ?? Does anyone find this impossible with the 13" ultimate ??? Help please
Yes sand is wet
Yes sand is damp
Volume all the way or at 2pm with sensitivity just out of Auto OR 12 or 200pm I still can't make the threshold smooth like Critter says.
Is it because the beach here isn't mineralized ?? Does anyone find this impossible with the 13" ultimate ??? Help please
Yes sand is wet
Yes sand is damp
Critterhunter
New member
Few possibilities..I've not tried running sensitivity yet at full blast in PP like OBN says you can do and it's still stable. I set sensitivity in disc to where there is no nulling or only a little here and there due to the minerals, and then I flip to PP. Don't know if that makes a difference. Also, are you carrying a big scoop or have any other metal somewhat near the coil? PP will sound off to my scoop if it gets anywhere near it. Your walking motion might be bringing something metal in and out of the range of the coil in PP mode= thus unstable threshold.
Could also be the Ultimate isn't stable in PP mode for some odd reason. I doubt that though.
No need to ground balance, as PP mode is a form of all metal with no ground balance as Minelab states in the manual. You don't balance for disc either. Only ground balance when using all metal fixed mode by first using track to sweep around a bit or just pump the coil in a clean spot.
OH...Are you using the coil cover on it? Might be sand between the coil cover, or those little compartments on a few of the bottom of the coil spokes that ain't covered by the coil cover which have sand caking up in them causing issues. I'd fill those holes with some spray in foam insulation out of a can or better yet light weight Gorilla Glue that foams up into sort of a hard plastic when mixed with water.
If you go that route with Gorialla Glue, I know by experience building RC planes with foam body construction that you want to use WAY less then you think. Do a test mix in a plastic cup and judge how much glue you need. Only takes a TINY bit of water mixed with it to activate it. Don't mix the glue with water outside of the coil chambers. Just stick a tiny bit in there and then put a few drops of water in there and mix with a Q-tip. Now you've got minutes to act fast. Take box tape and tape TIGHTLY over the chambers to seal them and even throw some flat weights on the tape if you can. I do that with my plane builds to try to keep the foaming glue from escaping. After about an hour you can remove the tape and see how it came out. If the glue overflows, don't worry. Fairly easy to peal off or cut the excess.
Could also be the Ultimate isn't stable in PP mode for some odd reason. I doubt that though.
No need to ground balance, as PP mode is a form of all metal with no ground balance as Minelab states in the manual. You don't balance for disc either. Only ground balance when using all metal fixed mode by first using track to sweep around a bit or just pump the coil in a clean spot.
OH...Are you using the coil cover on it? Might be sand between the coil cover, or those little compartments on a few of the bottom of the coil spokes that ain't covered by the coil cover which have sand caking up in them causing issues. I'd fill those holes with some spray in foam insulation out of a can or better yet light weight Gorilla Glue that foams up into sort of a hard plastic when mixed with water.
If you go that route with Gorialla Glue, I know by experience building RC planes with foam body construction that you want to use WAY less then you think. Do a test mix in a plastic cup and judge how much glue you need. Only takes a TINY bit of water mixed with it to activate it. Don't mix the glue with water outside of the coil chambers. Just stick a tiny bit in there and then put a few drops of water in there and mix with a Q-tip. Now you've got minutes to act fast. Take box tape and tape TIGHTLY over the chambers to seal them and even throw some flat weights on the tape if you can. I do that with my plane builds to try to keep the foaming glue from escaping. After about an hour you can remove the tape and see how it came out. If the glue overflows, don't worry. Fairly easy to peal off or cut the excess.
Critterhunter
New member
I think I know now what your problem might be for sure. I just same from a hunt at a land site I frequent. I was using the 13" Ultimate and figured I'd play around with PP mode to hunt a bit and cross check in disc. Since there aren't a lot of shallow targets at this site, I figured I'd part from my usual routine of keeping the volume on the GT all the way done (since I don't have volume controls on my headphones and if I turn it all the way up on the GT surface blasts are too loud), and I turned the volume all the way up while hunting a little bit.
Well, I found a deep target in PP and when I flipped back to disc with my remote PP switch, the target was giving me an iffy coin hit very deep, so I flipped back to PP to PP it, since I'm starting to use that now to play with PPing as my usual routine is to use the tip of the coil in disc to do that, but I'm practicing using the center of the coil and PP now to figure out where to dig.
Anyway, so I was once again back in PP and laid the detector down, and by the way I'm starting to like laying it down in PP because then no chatter from EMI that can happen when a coil is vertical...And I noticed that strangely PP was sounding off as I was getting my digger off my hip. Can it be?! Yep! In PP mode with volume at full blast, amazingly PP was sounding off to my digger ALL THE WAY up by the back end of my detector shaft's length! OK, let's see if this is my imagination, I thought, so I pointed just the tip of the digger at the coil and kept it right at the back end of the shaft length. Now, I'm a big guy, so the shaft I use is rather long, and yet PP was sounding off easily to the digger even when I was aiming the tip of it at the coil so as not to present a big target to the detection field!
WOW! I've heard guys say PP mode will give you PI depth so long as the volume is cranked all the way up, and since I almost never crank up the volume, let alone haven't really used PP mode much up until recently, I never knew just what that mode was capable of. And, on top of that, OBN says you can crank the sensitivity all the way up in PP mode and get even more depth and it will still be stable. Well, I was only at about 11PM on the dial because that is where the Ultimate wasn't nulling out on the ground minerals for me as I swept, so I bet it'd even get more depth with sensitivity all the way up.
My tests thus far have shown (this may change) that at least in air tests volume at the lowest or the highest on the GT does not seem to effect discrimination depth, but in PP mode with it lowest it gets about 2" less air test depth than disc, but with volume highest it gets about 2" more depth than disc (this was on a clad dime I was testing using a ruler and a video camera to record the depths for me...in a youtube video I posted a few weeks back).
Now, I know a digger is a much bigger target even with the tip only pointing at the coil to present a smaller target to it, but darn if the kind of depth it got didn't blow my mind, in highest volume, and with sensitivity only at around 11PM. In fact, I even turned down the volume all the way and re-tested the digger thing, and not I could only hear PP sounding off to it at about the location of my hand grip, so obviously it had lost about 2 feet of depth with volume all the way down, but still darn impressive.
So I'm hear to tell you guys, like me, who always thought "yea, sure, right" when you heard about PP getting deeper, and that it got even deeper with volume at full blast...Yep, it sure does look that way. My prior video kind'a confirmed what I had always heard, but this accidental test today set that volume high/low debate thing in stone, at least for PP mode if not for disc.
If I were say hunting for a cache or perhaps larger relics, I'd tell you guys to for sure crank the volume to full and hunt in PP. You might be able to expect about 4 to 5 feet or more in depth on larger targets such as those, or near that with say the stock 10" coil, because I would expect the 13" Ultimate increases that depth a good bit too. Can you imagine say hitting a cache a bit smaller than say a pack of smokes at around 5 or perhaps 6 feet?! What about canon balls from the civil war? What about cranking sensitivity all the way up and maybe even getting more depth. And not only that, but you are in an all metal mode, so no worries of missing iron relics or say a cache hidden in a steel box or something.
I would *really* like to see PP mode on the Sovereign put up against say the reported depths of the Blisstool, or perhaps some better PI units, to see just what kind of comparison we are getting here. And don't think PP is just going to show deeper depths for larger stuff, because thus far it's showing that for coins in my tests too. Then there is the already mentioned fact that PP isn't choking on really bad black sand, minerals, or microscopic iron at the worst beach I hunt, where as disc many times can't even see a coin at say 5 or 6" in that sand.
This mode is blowing my mind. As deep as the BBS units are in disc and as smooth as they run, it's like suddenly finding out I've got yet another detector inside that control box I never knew I had. Then there is the all metal fixed mode to explore, but I'm going to stick with PP for a while and learn more about it to compare to all metal fixed before contrasting that to it. And here it's been 3 years and the rich language of the BBS units in disc has me still learning because it's got so much to tell, and yet I've got two other "machines" in this control box to explore too. I don't see myself perhaps ever growing out of this machine. It's already got the raw power for extreme unheard depths in the worst of grounds even in disc, but PP mode seems to offer many of it's own depth/power advantages as well, like strapping a turbo charger on your Sovereign for certain "dead man" situations.
So I'm betting your problem with instability in PP mode is due to something metal on your body or your scoop moving in and out of the detection field. Heck, I bet even a belt buckel on your waist would set off PP at full volume maybe. Is the Ultimate deeper than the 12x10? Haven't seen that yet, and my air tests show initially it appears the 12x10 is a half inch deeper in disc, but for sure the Ultimate is one powerful coil. Now I need to put on the 12x10, flip to PP, crank volume to full, keep sensitivit at 11PM, and see if it's seeing my digger's tip at the end of my shaft too.
I'm just shaking my head over all this. Who would have thought you'd suddenly find out you've got three machines in one...A super deep discriminating detector, a PI-like (or maybe Blisstool?) depth and worst of minerals PP mode, and an all metal mode that I've already heard before has a language and unique abilites all it's own too. Throw in the all metal tracking mode for perhaps fast changing grounds that it might show benifits to using it in (like say disturbed sand with black sand patches all over), and now we are talking FOUR machines to play with here.
Well, I found a deep target in PP and when I flipped back to disc with my remote PP switch, the target was giving me an iffy coin hit very deep, so I flipped back to PP to PP it, since I'm starting to use that now to play with PPing as my usual routine is to use the tip of the coil in disc to do that, but I'm practicing using the center of the coil and PP now to figure out where to dig.
Anyway, so I was once again back in PP and laid the detector down, and by the way I'm starting to like laying it down in PP because then no chatter from EMI that can happen when a coil is vertical...And I noticed that strangely PP was sounding off as I was getting my digger off my hip. Can it be?! Yep! In PP mode with volume at full blast, amazingly PP was sounding off to my digger ALL THE WAY up by the back end of my detector shaft's length! OK, let's see if this is my imagination, I thought, so I pointed just the tip of the digger at the coil and kept it right at the back end of the shaft length. Now, I'm a big guy, so the shaft I use is rather long, and yet PP was sounding off easily to the digger even when I was aiming the tip of it at the coil so as not to present a big target to the detection field!
WOW! I've heard guys say PP mode will give you PI depth so long as the volume is cranked all the way up, and since I almost never crank up the volume, let alone haven't really used PP mode much up until recently, I never knew just what that mode was capable of. And, on top of that, OBN says you can crank the sensitivity all the way up in PP mode and get even more depth and it will still be stable. Well, I was only at about 11PM on the dial because that is where the Ultimate wasn't nulling out on the ground minerals for me as I swept, so I bet it'd even get more depth with sensitivity all the way up.
My tests thus far have shown (this may change) that at least in air tests volume at the lowest or the highest on the GT does not seem to effect discrimination depth, but in PP mode with it lowest it gets about 2" less air test depth than disc, but with volume highest it gets about 2" more depth than disc (this was on a clad dime I was testing using a ruler and a video camera to record the depths for me...in a youtube video I posted a few weeks back).
Now, I know a digger is a much bigger target even with the tip only pointing at the coil to present a smaller target to it, but darn if the kind of depth it got didn't blow my mind, in highest volume, and with sensitivity only at around 11PM. In fact, I even turned down the volume all the way and re-tested the digger thing, and not I could only hear PP sounding off to it at about the location of my hand grip, so obviously it had lost about 2 feet of depth with volume all the way down, but still darn impressive.
So I'm hear to tell you guys, like me, who always thought "yea, sure, right" when you heard about PP getting deeper, and that it got even deeper with volume at full blast...Yep, it sure does look that way. My prior video kind'a confirmed what I had always heard, but this accidental test today set that volume high/low debate thing in stone, at least for PP mode if not for disc.
If I were say hunting for a cache or perhaps larger relics, I'd tell you guys to for sure crank the volume to full and hunt in PP. You might be able to expect about 4 to 5 feet or more in depth on larger targets such as those, or near that with say the stock 10" coil, because I would expect the 13" Ultimate increases that depth a good bit too. Can you imagine say hitting a cache a bit smaller than say a pack of smokes at around 5 or perhaps 6 feet?! What about canon balls from the civil war? What about cranking sensitivity all the way up and maybe even getting more depth. And not only that, but you are in an all metal mode, so no worries of missing iron relics or say a cache hidden in a steel box or something.
I would *really* like to see PP mode on the Sovereign put up against say the reported depths of the Blisstool, or perhaps some better PI units, to see just what kind of comparison we are getting here. And don't think PP is just going to show deeper depths for larger stuff, because thus far it's showing that for coins in my tests too. Then there is the already mentioned fact that PP isn't choking on really bad black sand, minerals, or microscopic iron at the worst beach I hunt, where as disc many times can't even see a coin at say 5 or 6" in that sand.
This mode is blowing my mind. As deep as the BBS units are in disc and as smooth as they run, it's like suddenly finding out I've got yet another detector inside that control box I never knew I had. Then there is the all metal fixed mode to explore, but I'm going to stick with PP for a while and learn more about it to compare to all metal fixed before contrasting that to it. And here it's been 3 years and the rich language of the BBS units in disc has me still learning because it's got so much to tell, and yet I've got two other "machines" in this control box to explore too. I don't see myself perhaps ever growing out of this machine. It's already got the raw power for extreme unheard depths in the worst of grounds even in disc, but PP mode seems to offer many of it's own depth/power advantages as well, like strapping a turbo charger on your Sovereign for certain "dead man" situations.
So I'm betting your problem with instability in PP mode is due to something metal on your body or your scoop moving in and out of the detection field. Heck, I bet even a belt buckel on your waist would set off PP at full volume maybe. Is the Ultimate deeper than the 12x10? Haven't seen that yet, and my air tests show initially it appears the 12x10 is a half inch deeper in disc, but for sure the Ultimate is one powerful coil. Now I need to put on the 12x10, flip to PP, crank volume to full, keep sensitivit at 11PM, and see if it's seeing my digger's tip at the end of my shaft too.
I'm just shaking my head over all this. Who would have thought you'd suddenly find out you've got three machines in one...A super deep discriminating detector, a PI-like (or maybe Blisstool?) depth and worst of minerals PP mode, and an all metal mode that I've already heard before has a language and unique abilites all it's own too. Throw in the all metal tracking mode for perhaps fast changing grounds that it might show benifits to using it in (like say disturbed sand with black sand patches all over), and now we are talking FOUR machines to play with here.
Critterhunter
New member
After the draw dropping depth I saw PP mode at full volume getting with the tip of that digger by accident, I'm willing to bet any instability issues you have with pin point are due to a moving metal object on your body going in and out of the detection field of that coil. PP mode is the essence of stability in even the worst of grounds. Also, is there any wobble in your upper shaft or say your arm cup or something? Reason being, you might think, if it's sounding off to my digger at the back end of the shaft then why not the upper metal shaft on the detector? It's because any metal in the range of the coil that isn't moving won't be seen by it.
Wanted to correct something. Reason why I only had sensitivity at 11PM was discrimination mode would start to null if I ran it any higher in this mineralized ground. I made it sound like I had it set there because PP mode was unstable or nulling any higher. Nope. Just had it set where disc wanted it so I could flip back and fourth as I hunted. Way I'm hearing it from OBN you can crank sensitivity to full in PP mode and it'll still stay stable, so imagine what this thing can do at full blast. The other key is volume. It needs to be at full to max out the depth of it. And the PP response to the tip of my digger all the way at the back end of my shaft was *not* hard to notice. It was right in your face. I could see this mode being killer for civil war relic hunters or a guy after a cache.
Wanted to correct something. Reason why I only had sensitivity at 11PM was discrimination mode would start to null if I ran it any higher in this mineralized ground. I made it sound like I had it set there because PP mode was unstable or nulling any higher. Nope. Just had it set where disc wanted it so I could flip back and fourth as I hunted. Way I'm hearing it from OBN you can crank sensitivity to full in PP mode and it'll still stay stable, so imagine what this thing can do at full blast. The other key is volume. It needs to be at full to max out the depth of it. And the PP response to the tip of my digger all the way at the back end of my shaft was *not* hard to notice. It was right in your face. I could see this mode being killer for civil war relic hunters or a guy after a cache.