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Hi all. I mentioned in a previous post that my silver count had dropped a lot since dropping the XLT for the V3. Well i am getting more and more concerned as each time i am going out with me teckin mate he is finding all the silver and i am not getting any !!! The last three times we have been out he has found at least 3 silver coins with a least one hammered in the mix where all i seem to be diggin at the mo is old halfpennys & pennys. If anyone could help out here it would be gratefully recieved. I am getting fedup with his constant crowing and P**S Taking LOL. He has a ropey old sovereign which i think is probably the first one they ever made.
I am using a modded version of high pro set to 2.5 mhz only with discrim @ 75-80 all met @ 50 and the RX set as high as i can with no falsing. the only other changes i have made are to the audio for my own personal preferences.
Hi Rob, Sounds like you are dealing with frustration more than anything else. Try to relax a bit and look over your setup and local conditions. If you are using the DD coil, swap out for another coil, perhaps a 950 or super 12 will work better in your situation. Are you hearing a lot of "Sputtering" as you sweep? If so look at your ground filters, try different filters and be sure to turn Bottle cap reject OFF! In some mineral situations and dry dirt, BC reject will cost you coin finds and that includes silver! Set your ground balance manually and turn "Tracking" off. Surely your ground isn't so severe that you need to constantly track it, although I don't know for sure where you are.
Personally, I would use all three frequencies until proven that the other two are not effective in your soil. I just dug a silver Roosevelt dime that responded better to the 7.5 freq. Carry a note pad and write down every setting or change that you make, probe recommendations, ground zero readings at every location. Follow Jimmy Sierra's suggestions on sensitivity settings. I think your all metal setting of 50 is too low, but you will know best based on the stability of your V3. It won't be long until your mate is taking notice of your finds and he doesn't have the machine to compensate the way you do.
By all means, keep us posted.
All the best
John London
I agree with using all three frequencies and going to a concentric coil I like the 950, Ive also experienced silver in the 7.5 range and copper in the 22.5. I would use the stock Hi-pro with a few changes. Change the filter from 10 to 5 and sweep slower. Adjust your Rx gain for the EMI and crank-up the Discrimination until it is unstable then back it off a 3 or 4. Keep it simple until you know the detector as good as your XLT. Ive attached a post from another site it came from Jimmy Sierra one of the testers of the V3.Most people are confused about what Rx Gain and Discrimination actually do. Jimmy explains it very well. It sounds like your Friend has been using his detector for years, guess what he has mastered it that is why he finds what he finds. Good Luck
Jimmy Sierra Post on V3
I have been testing the V3 since the first prototype and was one of the advocates for NOT introducing it with wimpy presets, which I feel many new units are released with. Mainly because they want them to work everywhere. I always felt the DFX was one of those which could have benefited by a bit higher gain levels. I found so many users never got past preset programs.
But to get to the point. I feel the V3 has really been released at levels of gain a bit over the edge for noisy areas. But I agree with someone on this thread, that it is better to be over the edge and be forced to lower some settings, than be stuck with wimpy settings and not know about getting more performance. This unit is not meant for the novice and really takes some understanding of detector operation to appreciate.
First off, I have mentioned this a number of times, The first line of defense for EMI and other interference is the Preamp Gain...now designated as RX Gain. This is really basically an audio gain of the receive signal. Yes it does make the receive signal louder and of course the ground noise and interference louder as well. Quoting Mark Rowan who designed the DFX and XLT...it doesnt necessarily make the detector more sensitive or go deeper. Yes, it makes the signal louder and if you are hard of hearing or at the edge of an audible signal, you can hear it better. But the idea of cranking up the RX (Preamp gain) as high as possible is not smart. It is not necessary. In this instance, the factory presets in some of the factory programs are over the edge. Thus first impressions can be formed which are unfair, concluding that the detector is actually too susceptable to interference.
The best practice is to use the Rx gain to accomodate interference and then to utilize the AC Sens (Disc Sens) to optimize depth. I am not advocating necessarily running RX gain way low. On the DFX the factory was p reset at 2 and I always used it at 3 NEVER AT 4 . Even with my bad hearing that was not needed. The setting you choose for the V3 will depend on your hearing and the amount of interference.
Now for real depth, the important setting is the AC or DC ( Disc or All metal) sensitivity settings. These settings according to Mark are what makes the detector more Sensitive to deeper and smaller targets. If background noise is too loud, you will never hear the deeper and smaller targets. Again, you cannot run the AC beyond where it is stable either. Too much Sensitivity will also cause noise and obscure targets and destroy the benefits of a higher level of Sens.
Confidence in using these controls is a big part of the game. If you THINK you need to run the RX full bore to get any depth, you are bound to give up to a "noisy" detector and sell it on EBay. The V3 has more potential than any unit I have seen in recent years.
I have been using Whites units for almost 40 years and there have been some good ones and some I did not care for. Someone in this thread mentioned that the detector has to become part of your body. I said those exact words in an article years ago. When you forget that you are swinging a detector and it does feel like part of you, you will really get the best out of any unit.
One last thing for Rick.....I just tested a piece of coke I brought home from UK and ran the V3 over it.....with trigger forward (analyze) the signal looked like nothing I ever saw. It appeared to be a wad of barbed wire. Good audio, but I will never dig another piece of coke. By the way, I am going to ask the managementy at Whites about why the V3 should be so expensive in UK. ...I will check this out myself.One more thing. Most of the programs on the V use 10 HZ High pass filters I found that in moderate soil the 5HZ Band gave much better depth.
I've hunted with Larry about four times and he has found all the silver and a 1/2 cent. I've gotten nothing to talk about. We were both using V3's. In not one instance did he find one of the good coins where I had hunted, nor did I hunt where he found them and I missed the coin. I'd wonder if it continued but I wouldn't worry yet. Rob
I agree with the 22.5 freq more sensitive to Hammerds comment. Have you tried this freq yet? I seem to get better dpeth zeroing in on the single freq that works best for what I am looking for. I think my XP Goldmaxx operates at 22 khz as well and it widely known for the ability to pick up small thin silver.....
Assuming you don't have a test bed in the area you are hunting ask your friend to call you over next time he thinks he's over a silver. Tweak your machine until you can hear it best. This may take awhile. Once you do this walk up on it as if you are detecting and see what kind of sweep it takes to not miss it.
I was playing in my test bed a couple of days ago. I played with RX gain and if I took it too high the signal began to break into something I wouldn't dig. RX gain is not the key to depth as Jimmy says and we've all read.
your buddy with the "ropey old sovereign which i think is probably the first one they ever made". He is at one with that machine probably much like you were with your XLT maybe even more so. So yes, relax, have confidence in your machine and take the time to adjust it over one of your buddies silvers.
Oh, I also agree with your level of frustration you should consider a 950 coil. I don't think it's a better coil per se but I think you'd be more familiar with it cutting in half the learning curve that is frustrating you. Learn the 950 coil and then go back to the DD because I beleiev in the right hands it's a deeper coil.
This sort of reminds me of when my brother went from a XLT to a ML exploder...err.....explorer. There was a learning curve that really threw him for awhile. Many initial hunts he left the ML home.
many thanks all for your comments and advice !!!! i have indeed changed over to 22.5 mhz today as you have all said the small stuff is always picked out easier at the higher frequencies. I am using Hi pro as the bench mark for my prog with the search filter set at 5mhz i have also spent time tweaking the recovery speeds and have settled on 60 using a fairly slow swing. as for coil selection i only have the super 12" & the V rated 5'3 coil as i sent the D2 back to whites having expierienced all sorts of problems with falsing and pinpointing. I use the 5'3 for general searching covering my swings very carefully and have found targets very deep with this coil (it has suprised me !!!) I dont bother with the TX boost as to honest i dont think it improves things. Its the first time i have run in 22.5 on its own and already i found it is hitting smaller targets fine which included a couple of 22 bullets found at 5-6" tonight. My mate banged out yet another hammered tonight on ground we have both been over. The only coin i managed to hit in the hour and a half search was an old threepenny bit. I do feel miffed though he has found six hammerd coins in the one stubble field and my score is zilch LOL... also as a rule we always search each others patches to make sure we dont miss anything.
will keep you all posted. once i have refined this prog to the max i will post a program chart so you can all give it a go and see if i have been barking up the wrong tree LOL...
I have a good understanding on how this machine does its stuff and to be fair you would have to really mess around with some vital things to come up with a completely duff program that would not find anything LOL....
A casing point though, it is worth studying the common program closely as this is where all settings are in what could be considered a neutral position and also a very good place to start from if you are building a prog from scratch.
Are you on the uk forums we are sharing our experiences among uk users and getting good responses ive founnd a few hammerd if you dont walk over it you wont find it.its the best whites machine ive ever used ive had the xlt + dfx the v beats the lot.2hrs on the beach 2nite.34grm silver chain.
I agree with the 22.5 freq more sensitive to Hammerds comment. Have you tried this freq yet? I seem to get better dpeth zeroing in on the single freq that works best for what I am looking for. I think my XP Goldmaxx operates at 22 khz as well and it widely known for the ability to pick up small thin silver.....
It is always difficult to keep up with a friend using his old trusted one vs your new detector. Impossible maybe if you have it set up wrong.
I think you have it set correctly with 5 on the filter and definitely correct at 22,5 freq when you want hammered coins.
Some may correct me on this but,,, at 22,5 you will have more ground and rust noise. I think maybe lowering RX gain will be good and then try to set both sens adjustments a bit higher. RX is more like a Volume boost so you will hear more noise. Lowering it may help you gain more depth......
It is always difficult to keep up with a friend using his old trusted one vs your new detector. Impossible maybe if you have it set up wrong.
I think you have it set correctly with 5 on the filter and definitely correct at 22,5 freq when you want hammered coins.
Some may correct me on this but,,, at 22,5 you will have more ground and rust noise. I think maybe lowering RX gain will be good and then try to set both sens adjustments a bit higher. RX is more like a Volume boost so you will hear more noise. Lowering it may help you gain more depth......
I agree with this i used 22.5 today hi pro am=60 disc=85 rx 6-8 max 5 band filter recovery 60.tracking 50.got good depth dug a small pewter button less than 1 cm diam at 6" reburied it at about 8" still got it fine.but most of all dug an edward 1st penny + a cut quarter i think i'll be using this prog a bit more maybe with a bit fine tuning depending on ground conditions.i found backing off the rx did help alot with mineralization
Bjorn[/quote]I agree with this i used 22.5 today hi pro am=60 disc=85 rx 6-8 max 5 band filter recovery 60.tracking 50.got good depth dug a small pewter button less than 1 cm diam at 6" reburied it at about 8" still got it fine.but most of all dug an edward 1st penny + a cut quarter i think i'll be using this prog a bit more maybe with a bit fine tuning depending on ground conditions.i found backing off the rx did help alot with mineralization[/quote]
Ditto !!!! I have found the 22.5mhz is deffo the way to go on small stuff. I have been running a very similar program to yours and have been hitting some very small targets including air rifle pellets a number of small buttons etc. i must add though most targets were only at about 3" (fields are very very dry, we need rain !!) i have found it possible to run very high on the RX but probe has advised much lower numbers so have stuck to what the detector has advised !!! only other thing that has made a big difference is setting the modulation @ 1 which has really smoothed out the audio and given much more detail to the sound!!
best find this weekend was a george 2nd halfpenny in very nice order (no hammies as yet !!)
I agree with this i used 22.5 today hi pro am=60 disc=85 rx 6-8 max 5 band filter recovery 60.tracking 50.got good depth dug a small pewter button less than 1 cm diam at 6" reburied it at about 8" still got it fine.but most of all dug an edward 1st penny + a cut quarter i think i'll be using this prog a bit more maybe with a bit fine tuning depending on ground conditions.i found backing off the rx did help alot with mineralization[/quote]
Ditto !!!! I have found the 22.5mhz is deffo the way to go on small stuff. I have been running a very similar program to yours and have been hitting some very small targets including air rifle pellets a number of small buttons etc. i must add though most targets were only at about 3" (fields are very very dry, we need rain !!) i have found it possible to run very high on the RX but probe has advised much lower numbers so have stuck to what the detector has advised !!! only other thing that has made a big difference is setting the modulation @ 1 which has really smoothed out the audio and given much more detail to the sound!!
best find this weekend was a george 2nd halfpenny in very nice order (no hammies as yet !!)
all the best rob [/quote]I tried 22.5 before but had the settings in overdrive like i was using the xlt or dfx the v3 is far more sensitive when set up correctly.my digger has about a 6" blade so i know the eddy penny was deeper than that and unmistakeable signal the quarter also gave a good signal but was only shallow.happy hunting
Hi all. I mentioned in a previous post that my silver count had dropped a lot since dropping the XLT for the V3. Well i am getting more and more concerned as each time i am going out with me teckin mate he is finding all the silver and i am not getting any !!! The last three times we have been out he has found at least 3 silver coins with a least one hammered in the mix where all i seem to be diggin at the mo is old halfpennys & pennys. If anyone could help out here it would be gratefully recieved. I am getting fedup with his constant crowing and P**S Taking LOL. He has a ropey old sovereign which i think is probably the first one they ever made.
[size=x-large]I am using a modded version of high pro set to 2.5 mhz[/size] only with discrim @ 75-80 all met @ 50 and the RX set as high as i can with no falsing. the only other changes i have made are to the audio for my own personal preferences.
[size=large]The reason your lacking finds of the old stuff, especially hammered coinage, is glaringly obvious, ( if I'm reading your post correctly....(with error....2.5 mhz...????))
You should be using 22.5 kHz single frequency OR all three (Best Data) which includes 22.5 kHz.
So now go and make the changes, and 'pull your finger out'....Go blow your mate away with your finds.
Also...No sloppy, slow swinging of that coil.....cut that corn stubble down to size.......The Marshall
P.S. Ease back on the RX sensitivity to avoid any chatter..and Recovery....set it into the 80's...lengthens the responses..[/size].
