Find's Treasure Forums

Welcome to Find's Treasure Forums, Guests!

You are viewing this forums as a guest which limits you to read only status.

Only registered members may post stories, questions, classifieds, reply to other posts, contact other members using built in messaging and use many other features found on these forums.

Why not register and join us today? It's free! (We don't share your email addresses with anyone.) We keep email addresses of our users to protect them and others from bad people posting things they shouldn't.

Click here to register!



Need Support Help?

Cannot log in?, click here to have new password emailed to you

Changed email? Forgot to update your account with new email address? Need assistance with something else?, click here to go to Find's Support Form and fill out the form.

Friday's hunt--a tale of woe and resolve

Hi, everyone,

This happened on Friday, and it has taken me clear until Sunday night to be able to tell the story without feeling sick to my stomach.

First of all, I have been detecting for five years. You might have seen my picture on White's home page in December, or read the story about the Morgan dollar I found on a happier hunt.

For all of those five years, I have driven past a certain old house. Each time I passed it, my mind turned to what it would be like to detect it. The place, I thought, must be crawling with old coins and relics. The yard area looks very old, so old, you could hardly call it grass. It's on more than an acre, maybe two or even three. As a city guy, I'm not a good judge of how big an area is.

Well, in February, I finally decided to get up the nerve to "cold call" the place. The owner wasn't home, but a man who is a tenant in a cabin on the property was there. I talked to him, and of course, he couldn't give the requested permission. I have a good friend who often detects with me, and the next time we were in that area, both of us stopped by, but no one was home. We left a note, inviting a phone call, but did not get one.

I stopped by alone two more times, and each time, no one was home.

Finally, again with my friend, we tried on Friday and this time, not only was the owner home, but we got permission to hunt the property.

We were pumped. It wasn't long before my friend made the first find--just a wheatie, but those are indicators that other old coins may be nearby. I was finding modern cents, nickels, and maybe one dime, but nothing old. Then my friend found another wheatie. I plugged away, still not finding anything interesting.

Next, he called me over, and showed me a Merc dime he found. I kept hunting, going back and forth over my half of the front yard. Finally, after passing over and over the same area from every imaginable angle, I gave up and headed to the back. Not ten minutes later, my phone rang. It was my friend. I went to see what he found. He had moved over to the side I had abandoned, and not more than two feet from one of my digs, he had located a seated liberty dime!

Now, I've never found a seated coin in my life. Out here in Oregon, they're not real plentiful. To learn that one was within my grasp, on a property I had watched for years, was just about more than I could handle. Like the golfer who throws his clubs into the water hazard, my V-3 came perilously close to being wrapped around a tree.

In an earlier post, I told people that I've been getting my butt kicked by Minelab users. Well, it's still happening. But I can't blame this on my V-3. There are at least two other major factors at play--technique, and luck. As far as I know, my V-3 is working fine, although it does seem to me that the Minelabs have some advantages when locating silver. But I think it's more technique or luck. Technique I can do something about--not daydream so much, learn to listen better, and so on. Luck, however, cannot be changed by hard work, if it's truly luck. I guess I just missed that one critical spot where that old dime was hidden.

Well, at the end of the day, my friend had a seated and a merc, and a couple of wheats, and I had clad and a bummed-out attitude. I tried to be nice about it, and so did he, saying "it sorta breaks my heart to find this so close to where you hunted," but the fact is, he's the one who got to take it home.

So after wanting to hunt there for years, it finally happened, but my friend found the best things and I got nothing. We're trying to get permission for a return visit. My wife, the eternal optimist, tells me that in the grand scheme of the cosmos, this will not stand, and that somewhere on that property, in the name of justice, there is a seated quarter, or a gold coin, or something that will make everything all better.

I hope she's right, and that in the near future, I'll be able to post the second part of this story, and a photo or two of what it was that restored justice to the universe.


In the meantime, good hunting to everyone!

PS--If anyone has any hints about how to improve my chances, I'd be interested. I currently hunt with coin and jewelry mode, in factory pre-sets except for the gain, which I adjust according to the conditions, and manual ground balance.

Mike
 
First advice is MIXED MODE ON. Many of the deeper coins will give a rise in threshold in mixed mode that are too deep for the Discriminate channel of the V3. When you get that rise it could be iron, or it could be a deep coin. Work that target from different angles to see if you can get a possible ID. I am finding the Analyze screen to be very helpful on these targets.
 
How deep was the seated?
 
Sorry to hear about your misadventure Mike, that has happen to all of us one time or the other and when hunting with a partner, that will happen often, sometimes in your favor. What is more embarrassing is when your wife is your hunting partner and that happens. The 1901 IH I found the other day was like that except Nancy said there was still something where I had just dug a Standing Liberty quarter and a wheat. She was nice enough to let me dig it.........she will usually dig my misses and put them in her pouch.

At four inches, it was not the V, as you stated, but a matter of getting your coil over the target. You could have just missed it by an inch and that is the way it goes sometimes. I have some spots that I have hunted a hundred times and still find targets that I know I have gone over many times. It sounds like a very good spot to hunt so work it hard and often. A little thank you gift to the owner might open the door for the rest of the summer.....:thumbup:
 
I dont know if its true with you but,... When I was a little younger, I use to get really exited about a hunt, especially if other people was finding things and it made me go a little bit faster than I should have.
As I am older, I tend to slow down alot more. I usually go at a very relaxing pace and enjoy it more and I also find alot more. My buddy Yazoo and I would go out hunting and he would still be in the same
20x20 area and I would have been 100 yards away and back. I thought that the more ground you cover...the more you find. Not true in my case..I was missing alot because of going to fast.
I may be off in what I am saying but maybe it might be better just to slow down some.
 
I got a lot of rusty nails on Friday. Should I turn on the bottle cap reject, or will that cause other unintended problems? Should I go to the 5.3 inch coil?
Some are suggesting running mixed mode. Should I switch to a different program? Should I only run one frequency? Every variable causes other things to change.
Is there an order in which I should try some of these? There is a 45 year gap between the seated dime that was found and the oldest wheat cent. I have to believe that in those 35 years, other coins were dropped. Now, how to find them?

Thanks,

Mike
 
Your second guessing your equipment and yourself too much. Your machine would have got that coin with just about any option.

Magic gave you some really good advice above.

Theres nothing special about minelabs, don't buy into the hype. I mean they're great machines but so is your V.

BTW, I know how this feels. I've had it happen to me many times. Once I turned away from an area because I was getting a little interferance off of a nearby tractor. My buddy picked up where I left off and pulled a morgan dollar not 2 feet from where I stopped. Another time I was working in a direction gridding a small patch of grass when my brother came to show me a barber dime he had found. When he was walking back to his area he hunted the grass I was headed for and pulled a Seated half 2 inches deep. :rage:

It happened the other way around too. A few months ago I pulled a seated half dime from and area my friend scoured. He even says he thinks he heard it but didn't dig because it rang in the 60's and he discounted as trash.
 
You are not wrong Magic....right on the $$ for the deep targets. Speed hunting works OK for the surface targets though.
 
You could try a little bit of bottle cap rejection. I would put mixed mode on the back burner for a while until you really know your machine. like others said slow down,stabilize your machine. Its very deep even at conservative settings and it loves the 5.3 coil as do I. The 5.3 coil is what I use for 90% of my hunts.
 
n/t
 
Going back to the 1895 house tomorrow.

(For you east coast guys, stop laughing. This is about as old as any houses get in Oregon!) Believe me, a seated or Barber anything would completely make my day. A handful of Indians would be nice. Heck, I'm easy....even a couple of silver Rosies would be nice!

Now, the 5.3 coil, the 9.5, or back to the double D? If you've read my original entry on this thread, and if you're familiar with all three coils, vote now.
The winning coil will get at least the first hour of use on this old site.

Let's restore the balance of the universe.

Thanks to all who have responded, and to all who vote on which coil I should use tomorrow.

Mike
 
Just last night my buddy and I were hunting in my favorite old park and we only had a hour before dark so we decided to have quick shoot out. We both went our separate ways, me with my V3/w new 5.3 coil and him with his beat up CZ 7a he just bought of Craigs List for $200. It was a misrable last night. Wind, rain cold you name it. About a half hour later, I look across the park and notice him hunting in a area I have really been pounding for the past 5 months with all my detectors. Then a while later I see him starting to hunt a area that I specifically pounded with the V3. Im thinking whats he hunting there for, he isnt gonna find anything. Then I look over and see him digging, and Im like thinking, he must be digging more junk this time or someone dropped something recently. Then, all a sudden I hear him whistle, I look over and he is grinnin ear to ear, all excited and starts runnin over to me. Im like crap! What did he find? He opens his hand to show me a clump of dirt with a silver edge sticking out. Turned out to be a 1944 Merc. down 7 inches. I was really happy for him but mad at myself. I had been over that exact area a dozen times over the past 5 months.
Oh well....
HH, Aaron
 
Mike,
It is more important to slow down and take a breath than worry too much about your coil. The tough thing in metal detecting is mental. We swing and swing and hear nothing, it makes us hurry and sloppy. Just hunt it and keep your mental focus. Better swings lead to better targets. That flicker of sound
on a pass may turn into the big one if you go back over it from a few angles. I am hoping for a happy ending here, go Whites.

HH, Don
 
Ok,

Here's my reasoning for going with the 5.3 coil--it will slow me down. That is the main advice everyone has given me--"slow down." I think you are all right. I was so excited to get onto that property after years of wanting to, that I hunted it haphazardly and in a hurry. I kept one eye on my buddy, every time he bent over to dig, and by doing that, I fell into the very trap I was hoping to avoid, and he ended up with the prize of the day.

The small coil will separate out the trash better, many people on this forum have said it gives up hardly anything in depth, and it's much lighter, allowing me to save energy for a longer day of hunting.

So, that's my choice.

I will report back later with the results.

Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread.

Mike
 
Another tip that might help here is to shorten your rod so that your detector is closer to your feet. It forces you to slow down.

Honestly, I'm not finding any more silver with my ET than I do with my V.
 
I would agree with the 5.3 coil advice, it really makes me slow down, and be much more thourough. Trashy site is a definite advantage if you use the 5.3 I've found stuff within inches of trash with the 5.3. As for silver...it's still a matter of getting the coil over the coin. I would also think of it less as a competition and far more as a chance to get out. It is an awful lot like fishing, where the guy in the front of the boat sometimes catches more than the guy in the back. Or worse yet your buddy catches a trophy out of the same hole in the ice you had just been fishing.
 
Monte is on the forum and is an old timer, many years of detecting experience with many different brands. I know he hunts in the west. He may be in driving distance from you for a days hunt. I'll tell you for a fact... if I were within a days driving distance to him I would bug him until he agreed to take me hunting. He gives siminars etc IIRC.

Just search for posts by Monte or scan the page, you'll see him. I think he will be a world of help for you. There are also two excellent books on the White's DFX and probably 90% of what is there applies to the V3. One is by Jeff Foster and the other i'll have to tell you later. I am picking up a copy of each from a friend tomorrow to read.

Also, about the coils, always carry every coil and if possible every detector that you own because every site is different and every site will give up different goodies more easily to each detector. The higher the mineralization the more you will profit from a DD coil, I think. However everyone seems to really love the 5.3, personally I have not warmed up to it. I have always used DD coils and they are what I am used to. All of them will wiggle in a target, like the "minelab wiggle" or "sovereign wiggle" just get right over the target that may be a peep and wiggle the DD coil quickly back and forth about 1/2 inch each way and the signal will come right in and lock on, even the deeper ones will try to lock on to the correct TID tone and number. If there is too much masking or too much depth they will try to get to the right number and tone and will hit it but not lock on... you'll see what I mean.

I did something that helped me a lot I think. Besides reading the V3 manual three times, the second time I read it I re-wrote parts that I thought were important into my own words, sort of explained it to myself in a small notebook. That helped me, I re-read it today and added some more thoughts about threshold. There is an interplay between swing speed, filter, response time, autotune response time, and threshold... and RX gain, disc ann AM sens.. all these things interact with the frequency or the three frequencies and tuning it all in the right order and tuning it to match the ground, using the ground probe, will help you get maximum seperation, depth, and stability. Two ways to keep and eye on this are 1: watch the autotune ground balance for excessive adjustments, sometimes you may want to locktune over a bad spot or a hot rock to get better performance. 2: keeping a reasonably stable threshold tells you that you are not swinging too fast and missing targets because the processor has not had time to reset. In trash and more shallow targets you want the recovery speed fast for maximum seperation... to reset fast and pick through the trash. In less trashy places or where there are deeper targets a slower recovery speed will help the detector to "see" the deeper targets but you may have to also lower the filter, swing slower... slower still... set the modulation so that you can hear that a target is deeper and maybe disc out the most obnoxious trash. IIRC, correlate may help in bad trash.

Another thing thay can help say if you have a lot of aluminum or high tone trash is to use 2.5 khz and uncheck the Normalize box. The TID numbers will change but they will expand in the high range giving you more numbers in that high end... same thing if you are getting a lot of pulltabs, in the low range... you can set it to 22.6 and non normalized and it will expand the low end of the disc so it is easier to tell a pulltab from a nickel from a brass button... still, the best and only truly reliable discriminator is your shovel... that is why so many good targets are still in the ground... "that is too big, too shallow to be any good" "that is probably another pulltab".. (but maybe it was really it was a double Eagle 20 dollar gold coin and maybe that wasn't another pulltab... maybe it was a gold ring with a 2 carat diamond). Know what I mean?? I dug a zinc time fuse adapter for a 20# parrot shell, civil war relic... at a site that had been hunted by probably a hundred people in the preceeding month... maybe 1/4 acre of ground. The adapter was about 2" deep... no one dug it and a LOT of people had to have detected it. I'm glad they didn't dig it.

I love to dig "iffy" targets that might be something, maybe they only read good from one direction but from that direction they always read good... most are nails but some are coins and relics.

I hope you had a good hunt today but if not just remember, it sometimes takes months to learn what a detector is telling you and to learn how to use it correctly... especially the good ones. I used a Minelab Explorer SE for a year and it was no fun, it was like a dang job... I couldn't figure it out... I didn't make finds but I was hunting almost every day and every day I used it for the first hour or two, then I would switch the the F75, which I had used for nearly 2 yrs before that... and a T2 for about a year before that... I would immediately begin making finds in the same place I had been hunting but you know what? It finally clicked, I changed from hunting in conductive sounds to Ferrous sounds with an open disc and BAM... I began to understand it... about three weeks later I got the E-TRAC, and immediately clicked with it but... I think that the V3, once understoon, will be and is a better machine. You just have a lot of things to set for whatever siite and whatever treasure you are hunting and which coil to choose... how to minimize EMI while keeping depth etc... the E-TRAC does not have nearly as many options and adjustments, it is all pretty much preset, I mean you can choose this or that but there isn't a lot you can really change andit's a good machine but I don't think it has a depth edge on the V3 once you know the machine, nor does it have an edge on unmasking once you set it right. On the ET you can choose fast on/off and deep on/off and that is it as far as the recovery speed and depth. It has a good auto sens and it has no ground balance, the multi frequencies read the ground and adjust it for you... it is more user friendly... you can make it difficult if you try to make it be an Explorer but if you keep it simple it is good but I don't think that it will beat the V3 once you know how to use it.

Anyway... hope you did well and I hope you will get a friend to let you work the V3 over some targets that he/she thinks are silver and especially deep silver.

Julien

PS... sorry Monte... I didn't mean to call you an "old timer" in a bad sort of way. laff.
 
Top