Was out to a spot that has been giving up some wheaties lately.I was using the CZ 70.I found the 1918 half,1946 and 1953 Rosie dimes,1939 and 1962 Jefferson nickels.1918 plain,1920-d,1928-s 1946 plain and 1950-d Wheaties.Was only out a couple of hours.The half was tilted pretty bad,about 8" deep.It had a real far away,mellow tone.I've learned that was the sound of silver.I like the CZ 70 better than my 3D.The enhanced mode didn't do much for me as all my old sites are loaded with modern trash.I just traded the 3D in on a different detector.
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Found a 1918 Walking Liberty Half this afternoon
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Even though large cents and some wheaties will come in high coins silver just has that mellow tone that comes with experience...
I really think A CZ70 is more suited for the age of the coins you are finding. I know the CZ3D has a toggle to put you in this area but its locked in salt mode which costs you depth and sensitivity to small items and jewelry, perhaps not much but even an inch can make a difference what goes in your pouch.
For you fellows that frequently hunt 1800's sites the advanced mode of a CZ3D may get you an extra keeper for sure and still provide you with a toggle to hunt newer trashy areas if you wish.
Guess its all a matter of your wants and needs and personally think any CZ is a good choice...
I really think A CZ70 is more suited for the age of the coins you are finding. I know the CZ3D has a toggle to put you in this area but its locked in salt mode which costs you depth and sensitivity to small items and jewelry, perhaps not much but even an inch can make a difference what goes in your pouch.
For you fellows that frequently hunt 1800's sites the advanced mode of a CZ3D may get you an extra keeper for sure and still provide you with a toggle to hunt newer trashy areas if you wish.
Guess its all a matter of your wants and needs and personally think any CZ is a good choice...
your comment is noted dan!,,however,if you are using the cz-3d in salt mode,then why purchase it in the first place!.as he pointed out,he thinks it is practically useless when being used in a trashy "old" site!..you can't operate the way it was designed because "virtually" every site is "loaded" with "aluminum" crap.this effectively "nullifies" the advanced mode!..the cz-70 with the hockey puck (5" coil) is the better choice,because of it's ability to effectively "notch" out a lot of that
trash,thus rendering a more pleasant,detecting experience in my view.
regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.
trash,thus rendering a more pleasant,detecting experience in my view.
regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.
We all worry about depth but indeed have found a Barber dime and Seated dime at about an inch so its all up to the individual. Have found most old coins in a particuliar area are deep but approximately the same depth whether a large or small coin so this should be noted.
Most do not understand the concept of a CZ3D especially in the advanced mode and feel if they run say a CZ70 wide open will accomplish the same thing(dig more to find more)...Nasa Tom wrote an interesting article on the CZ3D and although not a fan of the CZ3D I feel it has its place in real old areas. Sorry but can't find it and perhaps someone can and post where to find...
I agree lots of old parks etc. were used over a hundred years ago and are still being used which negate the CZ3D in the advanced mode and of course regular mode is locked in salt which can cause you to lose depth and sensitivty to small targets and jewelry..
Actually given the choice I would opt for a convential CZ but the CZ3D certainly has its possibilities as its basically two units in one with the flip of a toggle and some that hunt real old sites not being used anymore and or local sites where superior depth is not needed excell with this unit.
Nasa Tom had some good ideas but in life nothing is perfect and with all the models of CZ's sold over the years one certainly has a choice of various models as they are being sold used every day.So I guess pick up your favorite and go for it...
Most do not understand the concept of a CZ3D especially in the advanced mode and feel if they run say a CZ70 wide open will accomplish the same thing(dig more to find more)...Nasa Tom wrote an interesting article on the CZ3D and although not a fan of the CZ3D I feel it has its place in real old areas. Sorry but can't find it and perhaps someone can and post where to find...
I agree lots of old parks etc. were used over a hundred years ago and are still being used which negate the CZ3D in the advanced mode and of course regular mode is locked in salt which can cause you to lose depth and sensitivty to small targets and jewelry..
Actually given the choice I would opt for a convential CZ but the CZ3D certainly has its possibilities as its basically two units in one with the flip of a toggle and some that hunt real old sites not being used anymore and or local sites where superior depth is not needed excell with this unit.
Nasa Tom had some good ideas but in life nothing is perfect and with all the models of CZ's sold over the years one certainly has a choice of various models as they are being sold used every day.So I guess pick up your favorite and go for it...
Dan It was in one of the Fisher Intelligence papers.I found an old site last evening,ahomestead.Only had a short time to hunt as it was getting dark.Hunted a bout 20 minutes,found one coin,1947 Canadian penny.Found no pulltabs or bottlecaps.The 3D would probably work great here.Now I have to get back there and work it over with a fine tooth comb.Bill
I use the 3D all the time. Mostly in salt mode, actually. I find plenty of deep coins out of hunted out areas, so I'm not worried about depth. I bought good headphones and keep the volume at 1.5 or 2 and max the volume on the headphones. This way, deep stuff, sounds soft and deep. I dug a mercury dime last week that bounced between zinc and hi-coin. I thought for sure it was going to be a token or maybe an early wheat or indian. Nope, it was a 1920-S dime, and after I retrieved it I rescanned the hole and heard some iron nearby. I hate digging zinc pennies as much as the next guy, but there are two problems. One is target masking... eventually these sites will be so littered with zinc pennies you'll have to start digging them to clear them out. The second is how much do you trust your detector meter/sounds at 5 inches plus? I'll always take a chance if it sounds like it might be good. It doesn't cost anything to dig it. Before the Sunray probe this meant I was chasing a lot of nail ends that did not give clear double beeps, but since I got that Sunray, it's easy to get those nails out fast and move on. I'm working well hunted schools and parks and still 8 times out of 10 come home with one or two silver coins, so I figure I must be doing something right.
hello!..nick!
you are doing something right because you ARE finding the stuff,but you mentioned you are using the 3d in salt mode!..my question to you is,if you are hunting in trash laden areas,then you are NOT using the advanced mode?..is this correct?..if this IS the case,then why buy the cz-3d?..is there any one site where you live that will allow you to hunt in advanced mode?
(h.h!)
j.t.
you are doing something right because you ARE finding the stuff,but you mentioned you are using the 3d in salt mode!..my question to you is,if you are hunting in trash laden areas,then you are NOT using the advanced mode?..is this correct?..if this IS the case,then why buy the cz-3d?..is there any one site where you live that will allow you to hunt in advanced mode?
(h.h!)
j.t.
Well after my CZ5 was stolen, all I could get to replace it was a 3D. I had already tried the 70 and did not really like the digital - I think it's just familiarity with the analog meter after all these years.. Plus I feel that my 70 gives different tones than the 3D. My 3D seems much more mellow? Anyhow, if my detector had not been stolen, I would still be using that great old CZ5, I'm sure.
Yes, I am hunting parks and public areas that are old, but are still used (for the most part). I have tried the advanced mode at some sites, and areas that I have *cleaned* to see if I have missed anything... and all I dig with the advanced mode in these areas is junk. Therefore, I feel confident I'm getting what's there with the 3D even in salt mode.
I am not convinced that salt mode reduces depth at all. Some people claim this, and it may be true with their particular machine, but I do not feel that is the case with mine. Enhanced mode just seems to make junk sound better. I run with nothing disc out, so I hear all the tones. I use my ears first and the meter second.
I was at a park yesterday and did not have a lot of time to hunt. It was my first time there and knew there was potential for old coins. I listened for the deep, soft signals - some with bounces and ignored the louder signals that registered at 3" or less on the depth meter. My first hit was a zinc signal at 5" and I say to myself, indian head. Sure enough, a nice green 100 year old (1907) pops out. All the other hits I dug were 4" or more and the bulk were wheaties, the oldest 1912. No silver, but I'll give this site a good working over and I'm sure it's there. Plus there are plenty of modern coins 3" or less to keep me busy when I have more time.
Yes, I am hunting parks and public areas that are old, but are still used (for the most part). I have tried the advanced mode at some sites, and areas that I have *cleaned* to see if I have missed anything... and all I dig with the advanced mode in these areas is junk. Therefore, I feel confident I'm getting what's there with the 3D even in salt mode.
I am not convinced that salt mode reduces depth at all. Some people claim this, and it may be true with their particular machine, but I do not feel that is the case with mine. Enhanced mode just seems to make junk sound better. I run with nothing disc out, so I hear all the tones. I use my ears first and the meter second.
I was at a park yesterday and did not have a lot of time to hunt. It was my first time there and knew there was potential for old coins. I listened for the deep, soft signals - some with bounces and ignored the louder signals that registered at 3" or less on the depth meter. My first hit was a zinc signal at 5" and I say to myself, indian head. Sure enough, a nice green 100 year old (1907) pops out. All the other hits I dug were 4" or more and the bulk were wheaties, the oldest 1912. No silver, but I'll give this site a good working over and I'm sure it's there. Plus there are plenty of modern coins 3" or less to keep me busy when I have more time.
silverseeker 2
Well-known member
One Thing, OLD SITES, Dig all High Tones and re-ground balance when changing modes.
Hope this sheds a little light...
silverseeker 2
Hope this sheds a little light...
silverseeker 2
silverseeker 2
Well-known member
Smaller sites, old homes churces, small pic-nic groves I run in enhanced mode no matter how
much trash, dig all high tones.(sometimes I'll use a smaller coil) (0 disc.)
Large wooded areas with not so much trash or areas with fewer signals, enhanced mode , and I dig all high tones.(0 disc.)
If there's way to much trash I'll run in salt mode with 0 disc. and you must choose what to dig but if it's a high tone
DIG IT!!! Very trashy areas I use a smaller coil!!! Just my hunting habits as everybody hunts to their preference...
The CZ's go deep!!!
siverseeker 2
much trash, dig all high tones.(sometimes I'll use a smaller coil) (0 disc.)
Large wooded areas with not so much trash or areas with fewer signals, enhanced mode , and I dig all high tones.(0 disc.)
If there's way to much trash I'll run in salt mode with 0 disc. and you must choose what to dig but if it's a high tone
DIG IT!!! Very trashy areas I use a smaller coil!!! Just my hunting habits as everybody hunts to their preference...
The CZ's go deep!!!
siverseeker 2
apparently you have the patience of job!..digging can slaw,and pulltabs is not my idea of fun,however it CAN pay off ,but i would think it would get very "old" quickly!
and you would be very tired form all the "mindless" digging!..this is the reason i believe the cz-70 is the smart play in trash,because of it's "notching" abilities!
(h.h!)
j.t.
and you would be very tired form all the "mindless" digging!..this is the reason i believe the cz-70 is the smart play in trash,because of it's "notching" abilities!
(h.h!)
j.t.