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Fisher F4 vs Discovery 3300

AndyNM

New member
Hello guys,

after a short internet brake I'm back with the F4 vs Discovery 3300 comparison.

[attachment 58073 F4.jpg]

Let me start with the hardware:

The F4 is a 3 pole design and the 3300 just a two pole.

The F4 has the better grip and armrest. The Fisher hardware seems to be the better quality and feel.

The F4 come with the 8" round concentric AND the new 11" DD coil.

Yes, the Fisher DD coil works on the 3300 two.

Now, is the F4 just a nicer looking 3300 ? No, it's NOT

I haven't had much time with the F4, but the differences are easy to see not only in the hardware, but also the performance.

First thing i noticed is that the F4 has target ID numbers from 0 to 99 and the 3300 has numbers from 0 to 199. Is that a good thing ? I don't know. Never had problems with the numbers on the 3300, but 100 numbers on the F4 is good enough.

Next thing i had to do is ground balancing the F4. That is a lot better and easier to do compared to the 3300. Just set the F4 to auto tune all metal mode, pump the coil up and down a few inches above the ground and turn the GB control with the thumb, until no change is heard while pumping up and down. New is also that turning the GB control clockwise sets the GB more positive. With the 3300 COUNTERCLOCKWISE is more positive (that was alway strange to me).
Since the 3300 has NOT a autotune all metal mode, you have to GB in pinpoint mode and lift the coil to waist level, change the GB setting, press pinpoint, pump the coil down to the ground and repeat that procedure until you found the right GB setting. Sounds hard to do, but is not too bad once you have done it. But not as easy as with the F4.
Next test was my 5" deep dime buried in my backyard. No problem for both detector even with the coil 3" over the ground. I noticed here that the 3300 gave the same target volume on the target, no matter how deep it is. The F4 sounds of on shalow targets loud and is quieter the deeper the target is. That gives some additional info how deep the target is you just found. Guys with bad hearing may like the 3300 better since deep targets sound the same as shalow targets.

Depth on both detectors is about the same. Using the 8" round coil on both detectors a Quarter on the ground could be detected at about 9.5 inches. Nickels about 9" on both.

But here come the biggest difference: The recovery speed and target response on the F4 is MUCH faster. Again, both detector tested with the same 8" coil. Here is where the F4 really outperforms the 3300.

On a Nickel, i found that the deeper the Nickel was the higher it read on the F4. Very deep Nickels read in the coin range (penny). The 3300 puts deep nickels (deeper than 5") in the iron range.

Due to the ground balance and target ID numbers the F4 performed better than the Garrett Ace 250. I'm talking about inground performance, NOT air tests.

The F4 is a very good detector in its class, i just wish First Texas would use a 4 AA batterie setup on the F4 and not two nine volt batteries.

I still have some testing to do how the F4 and 3300 work with the 11"DD coil and the 4" nugget coil (Yes, already available for both detectors).

Price: The Discovery 3300 is 299 $ at Radio shack with a 3 month warranty and just one coil. The F4 is 425 $ with two coils and 5 years warranty.

That's it for now,

Andy,NM
 
Thanks for the post Andy, I was hoping someone would post some results on the F4. If you get a chance let us know what kind of depth you get in the ground. And how accurate the target ID is. I have a F4 ordered & can't wait to give it a try. I hope it has as good or better performance as my Tesoro Cibola did. Thanks! Steve.
 
The Tesoro Cibola is a totaly different detector.

No target or tone id info, no ground balance but good depth on low conductive targets. On a Nickel the Cibola could be deeper than the F4 but on silver they should be about the same.
But try to see the difference of the new style pull tab and a nickel with the cibola.....the F4 can do that. In bad soil the 11" DD coil of the F4 is a big plus.

The 4" nugget coil for the F4 will even cut better between the trash than a 5.75 for the Cibola.

HH,
Andy
 
Thanks Andy, I wasn't trying to compare features between the Cibola & the F4. I just was looking for a comparison of the two on coin depth. Thanks for your reply. Steve.

P.S. How good is the pinpointing with the F4, with the Cibola it is dead on right in the center every time.
 
The ground balance of the F4 in disc mode seems to be fixed. It does not carry over from auto tune all metal mode to disc mode.
That is sad since GB can be important when you change the coil.

The 3300 GB setting carries over to the Disc mode.

HH,
Andy,NM
 
I am not doubting you Andy, just wondering if anyone can confirm it. If it is true - I guess using it in all metal mode would be the best way right??? Thanks! Steve.
 
I said it is sad. It's just that I would like to be able to GB the detector for the disc mode. Others may even like the fixed GB in disc better. I just feel that adjustable GB for the Disc mode could get me an extra inch in bad soil. Sure, preset ground balances work nearly everywhere because usually it is set very positive. That very positive GB has an influence how a detector reponses to small low conductive targets.

I know that adjustable ground balance can be a pain for some beginner and if they mess up the Gb setting the detector could perform worse than any preset GB unit.

I don't want anybody to think that the F4 is a bad detector because of the fixed GB in Disc mode. I have just a few hours on mine and it works very well. The speed comes in handy in trash loaded places. I will give the 4" nugget coil a run at the weekend. I may bring my F4 to First Texas on Friday to have it checked because of the recall. I have not had a problem yet, but i don't want to have one in the future.

Thanks for the PM.

Andy,NM
 
Does the F4 still give a number read out in the auto tune all metal mode? There is no reason to mess with the GB knob if you run in the disc mode - right? Where does this 11 DD coil pinpoint - the toe, head or center? Thanks, Kenny
 
Met a 20 years plus detectorist in a park the other day with a 3300 and although he has top of the line units always uses the 3300 in local parks as it works for him..I tried it out and was surprised at its performance. We can see cosmetically the F-4 is certainly modeled after the 3300 and if its an improved 3300 in performance gets my vote for sure. As far as price goes even if they were the same unit certainly worth it just for the 5 year warranty compared to 3 months on the 3300. However hearing the feedback including Andy's an F-4 is indeed improved and well worth the price and perhaps one of these days will own one.
Since 2 companies merged what I really would like to see is a hybrid combining two technologies internally as we can see some of Fisher cosmetics has been added but are pure first texas technology at best...just wishful thinking on my part and still can't get that CZ with a 1-100 meter out of my head as to me it would be a world beater, sort of a full metered, userfriendly depth demon...
 
am a new F4 user. Thank you for the info on salt beach settings, I am having a hard time in the wet sand and I will for sure try the disc mode, should I use the 8" round or 4' shooter? or the 11" or does it matter?.

As far as GB'ing the F4 I use the quick method mentioned in the manual mostly.

Turn it on in with the knob in preset with coil above ground about 6" then switch to pinpoint mode and lower the coil to ground and turn the knob till its quiet or humming. Should I do it the way mentioned here instead? Thanks for the info guys.

Shawn P

Shawn
On the salt beach you most likely will need to manually ground balance it in All Metal.

I would try the 8" concentric just to see how it works in your enviroment. The 8" coil is what I used at the beach. The stock 11" DD coil does handle the ground better, but it also "see's" more ground This could give it trouble. Try both, you make the call. :)

Hunt in discrimination mode, and use the discriminator to tune out the salts the best you can. They will tune out below iron. Just look at salt as another target, the detector does because it's conductive.

Have fun.
 
[quote khouse]Does the F4 still give a number read out in the auto tune all metal mode? There is no reason to mess with the GB knob if you run in the disc mode - right? Where does this 11 DD coil pinpoint - the toe, head or center? Thanks, Kenny[/quote]

My dd coil pinpoints about 1" above center. You dont get TID in Auto Tune (All Metal). I always GB when I use Disc mode.

From the manual.

AUTO TUNE (All Metal)
Press this pad and
 
Why do you GB in the disc mode? Isn't the GB factory set in the disc mode? If so it wouldn't matter if it's set or not. Also will it remember your last settings if you turn it off? Is there a volume control?
Thanks!
 
[quote khouse]Why do you GB in the disc mode? Isn't the GB factory set in the disc mode? If so it wouldn't matter if it's set or not. Also will it remember your last settings if you turn it off? Is there a volume control?
Thanks![/quote]

Auto Tune = Factory set GB. If your not going to GB for Disc mode when would you?. I GB every time I turn it on using the Quick method from the manual mostly. Link To Manual.

Alternate Quick Ground Balancing Method
You may also use the following, simpler method, to ground balance.
While not as accurate as the coil-pumping method in AutoTune, it
yields an approximate ground balance setting.
Find a patch of ground free of metal
1) Set the ground-balance knob at the pre-set position, 100%
clockwise.
2) Position the searchcoil about 6
 
Shawn P,
I know about GB and have been doing it to many detectors since 1984. I also couldn't agree more with your opening statement. But I downloaded the F4 manual and read it twice. It doesn't say that the GB needs to be set in the disc mode. The only mention of adjusting the GB is in the "Auto tune" mode. This tells me that the disc mode GB is factory set. Also under the heading "Auto Tune (All Metal)" It starts off by saying - THIS mode is a ground-balanced all-metals motion search mode. This too tells me that this is the only GB mode. Also on other detectors that do have adjustable GB for the disc mode. One of the first things the manual tells you to do is GB the unit. The f4 manual doesn't do that. If it can be pointed out that the F4 disc mode has adjustable GB then I would like to read it. If I'm wrong about my post I will also write a follow up stating I was incorrect. All I'm trying to do is compile information.
 
I think that to set the GB for an area using the pump up and down version they want you to have the unit in Auto Tune. Just like for the quick version you put the unit in Pinpoint.

Once its Balanced you can switch to any mode you want to hunt in.

Don
 
Shawn,
I appreciate your replies and respect them also. After all I do not own an F4. Maybe an email to Fisher is in order?
 
..spinning the GB knob all the way positive or negative on a known target. If the disc. mode is a preset, there shouldn't be a difference in target response. If it's tied in to the AM GB, the target response should be outta whack. ..Willy.
 
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