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First outing with Explorer SE Pro..

4 more wheats and a silver ring today....Charles,the "round" sound please? I know basically what it is from using my IDX for a long while but I'd like your take on it. Also,I didn't realize you're unable to currently hunt,at least the way I understand what I've read. Sorry to hear that,hopefully they fit you up with some new parts and get you back on the road! You can clearly see by the view count that there is a HUGE amount of interest in what is being related here,thank you for being the center pin on these discussions. Experience speaks,people clearly listen. Please go on....

Kevin
 
I really appreciate all the information sorry I'm just getting back I'm sure you guys know because I posted I lost my son on the 9th of July and its been a little hard dealing with that I have to say metal detectong has been therapeutic for me other than me want to beat the detector upside my head it is definitely a hard machine to learn. I did fine a silver quarter about 7 inches, as someone else stated here I wish that discrimination would be easier to adjust with that being said the SE pro will dig the deep targets I just have to get past the learning curve I really appreciate all the help guys thank you. Greg.
 
Nice finds
 
LS Hunter, it is never easy no matter when stuff happens, sorry for your loss.
If you can keep going then by all means listen for the good sounds for now, silver or a quarter or a sweet sound of gold - all stand out. Practice at home or outside while in a grassy area.
My best finds came after I practiced and of course changed my settings. And I am not afraid to change them when need arises - I wrote then down but not have them in my memory.
 
IDXMonster said:
4 more wheats and a silver ring today....Charles,the "round" sound please? I know basically what it is from using my IDX for a long while but I'd like your take on it. Also,I didn't realize you're unable to currently hunt,at least the way I understand what I've read. Sorry to hear that,hopefully they fit you up with some new parts and get you back on the road! You can clearly see by the view count that there is a HUGE amount of interest in what is being related here,thank you for being the center pin on these discussions. Experience speaks,people clearly listen. Please go on....

Kevin

Kevin for 'round' tones discussion I need some data. What model Explorer are you using and what coil? Do you have sites where you regularly dig coins deeper than 6 inches? What is your soil like clay, sand, highly mineralized, clean, etc? What is the age of older finds at your sites?
 
Charles-Personally I am using the Explorer2 with the Sunray X-8 or the stock 1050 coil (says "Explorer 1000" on it). I would say 8-10 places I've hunted/do hunt have produced SOME coins in the +6" category. When I'm specifically targeting these kinds of coins I'll use the 1050 coil. My ground varies greatly,as I'm in southern Wisconsin on the edge of where the last glacier came down. I've got about everything available as far as soil conditions go. My buddy with his ATPro ground balances anywhere from the mid 70s to mid 90s,and his GB scale is 1-99,so no matter the soil type(clay,black dirt,graveletc.) it all seems fairly "hot".
As far as age goes,it's all over the board,just like everyone else. The large park that I hunt the most has produced 1940s silver at 8-10",and also a 1903 Barber dime at 3-4". The problem with this place is that it's been HEAVILY modified and re landscaped,and it's an island surrounded by a river and millpond. It gets VERY wet. This particular place has lots of really black dirt which isn't that mineralized,my IDX ground balances low. I can't tell what the ground balance on the Explorer2 is,so it doesn't even matter,but the soil seems pretty mellow. I've dug 10" clad quarters here as well,though just a couple.
This is probably a pretty common description of parks in general,age aside. If they've been modernized the old stuff and middle aged(70s-80s) stuff has been shuffled in the layers,and peoples finds at certain depths reflects this. The three oldest sites I hunt have produced my oldest finds,and out of 15-20 pre 1900 coins NONE were deeper than 7". For me,the oldest coins have been in undisturbed ground,to a great degree. I'd like to think there are deeper ones there,but when 3 large cents have been found at 7" or less chances are that's it. Wisconsin isn't that old really,but old enough to make some good finds.
My main target is to find deep coins at the park I mentioned that gets really wet,like SOPPING wet. I feel there are old coins even below the deep clad line....

Kevin
 
Kevin okay got it. The original Explorer was the 'round' tones king but the Explorer II is no slouch. Ironically users complained about the very thing in the Explorer that produced deep round tones so Minelab modified the machine beginning with the Explorer II reducing the effect. Lets begin...

Fast Off

Deep On

Sensitivity manual, 24 would be my minimum, 26 has proven to be a sweet spot for me in many soils and moisture conditions, I'll take 28 when I can get it. I have had deep silver dimes hit good on 28, sound decent on 26, and vanish altogether at 24 it can fall off quick. Whenever you get a good deep target don't rush to dig it, that's an opportunity to play around with your sensitivity to see how low you can go before a target starts sounding crappy and then disappears, and also to see how high you can go and how that improves or in some cases if you go to high degrades the signal with falsing.

Volume 10

Gain 7

Variability 10 - I likes me some variability 10, this setting is part of the fluty tones recipe and further separates clad from silver giving silver a higher pitch. Typically silver dimes will sound fluty and chirpy as you sweep them vs a more monotone response from clad dimes. Silver dime tip...quite frequently the cursor will be half off the top of the screen on a silver dime while clad dimes will be lower with most all the cursor still visible, that's a trick in telling silver from clad dimes. Remember in ferrous tones the tones vary left and right with cursor position along the ferrous axis not up and down along the conductivity axis. Since clad and silver dimes don't vary that much left and right from one another the tone is close with silver just a touch higher. But by watching the cursor position behavior you can get pretty good at telling a clad dime from a silver dime. On most swings the cursor on silver dime will be half off the top and only occasionally will the cursor drop down into full view. Clad dimes are just the opposite, on most swings the cursor will be in nearly full view BUT occasionally it may jump up off the top of the screen. I have tried to talk myself into believing a clad dime was a silver dime on more than one occasion when I knew different.

Now where was I, with variability 10 silver quarters and clad quarters are both high pitched, but sound a touch different with silver just a touch higher pitched and pure sounding, or one could say they shriek. Typically not fluty more mono toned. Large cents sound like 2 silver quarters stuck together, powerful signal and typically a touch higher up the screen with the cursor towards the top right corner vs quarters just down from them. Big silver halfs and dollars will ID further down the right edge of the screen below quarters and typically do not vary/jump left or off there mark except at extreme depths. We will discuss that and the 'iffy target zone' dark arts another day perhaps.

Limits 10

Sounds Ferrous

Stock Minelab 10 inch coil not the Sunray 8

Next setup two screens. First edit the Iron Mask screen to -16 wide open no discrimination at all. Second edit the Smartfind screen to notch out all iron and trash, give yourself about a 1.25 x 1.25 inch of open screen in the top right corner and black out all the rest of the screen. I used to hunt with this screen on my lunch hour when I had just 40 minutes to pillage a park before returning to work. Anyway this will silence almost all iron and trash. Lead will still come through as will aluminum bottle caps but that's fine. Tip a target in the lead range but that seems small when you sweep could be a half dime or a silver 3 cent piece or small silver jewelry they can ID well below coins so keep a sharp eye.

Strategy - You want to find some deep targets, the deeper the better to practice on which is why I say just stick with high conductive coins and targets for this hunt. Using the above Smartfind screen should keep you from losing your mind by silencing most trash and iron. Your first goal is to find a deep target. Once you find a promising target then switch to the Iron Mask mode. With zero discrimination this lets in everything, things will sound different, there are no iron, trash, or ground mineralization nulls messing with the tone. Its like crystal clear cell phone service in all metal vs cell phone service that's breaking up in Smartfind.

What 'round' tones sound like - This is much easier to show someone in person than describe on a forum but I'll give it a try. Since you are now hearing everything in IM -16 you may hear a mix of lower ground mineralization and even some low iron tones mixed in with the high tones. Now visualize the round shape of a coin (or any round object for that matter). As you approach the coin from the right with your coil at first the magnetic field lines are only intersecting the right edge of the coin, the target seems smaller, as you continue to sweep the target and approach the center of the coin it gets louder and larger until you are centered on the coin, then as you continue to sweep towards the left past the center of the coin fewer field lines are intersecting the left side of the coin and so the target sounds smaller and smaller until your coil is out of range of the coin to the left. So the size and loudness of the target ramps up, peaks, then ramps down, that's a round tone. With practice you will be able to call your shot on round targets before you dig. Targets have shape to them as you sweep them and the Explorer will communicate this to you via sound. Its a lot more difficult to hear the shape with a bunch of discrimination turned on and nulls and certainly more difficult with fast On chopping off the vary left and right edge of the target that gives you that information.

One day you will tell yourself, I'm not sure what that deep iffy target is that's bouncing all over my screen with tones all over the place but I know its round by God and THAT is your portal to the realm of hunting the deepest iffy targets.

Final thoughts, don't forget the fundamentals. Keep your coil flat don't be lifting it at the ends of your swings. Keep the coil on the ground don't hover, scrub the ground, that Minelab coil is nearly indestructible just don't dunk it in a saltwater ocean its not waterproof. Once you are over the target don't be afraid to take short 4 inch wide rapid swings over the target, loading the Explorer up with the best information on the target. I might give it 3-4 short swings just 3-4 inches wide than stop my coil just off the target, flat on the ground, motionless, and let the Explorer crunch the data and position the cursor. Be on the look out for the rusty nail bounce pattern, if its jumping back and forth from top/left corner to right edge (yet another reason to switch to IM -16 mode) , cursor half off the right edge of the screen, about 3/8 inch down from the top, and not deviating (not bouncing into another known coin location) as high pitched as it might sound its iron keep walking. Do you have a Sunray X1 probe? I consider one a must have for hunting deep coins. First because I frequently find a rusty nail or two in the same hole as the coin and the X1 gives me the same tones as the Explorer so I don't waste time digging the nail. Second on many occasion there has been more than one coin in the hole and remember when I said the Explorer hates air space its a depth killer, that is especially true after you dig a plug. I have found second coins in holes that are screaming loud with the X1 that the 10 inch coil can no longer detect. I hear Sunray doesn't make the X1 anymore, bummer I hope mine never fails.
 
Charles thanks for giving folks another new machine with these settings.

You didn't state what is your audio setting?

I like Audio 3

Bigtony
 
LSHunter-I don't know what to say to you about your boy,I don't know the details but it doesn't matter much. I am SO sorry to hear he is gone. I have 3 kids of my own and I cannot IMAGINE losing one of them,no matter the circumstance. It's hard to put into words the feeling a parent may get when even THINKING about one of their kids being gone. My heart is heavy for you my friend.

OK Charles,I get what you're saying about the "round" sound,I look for that regularly while in AM with both my IDX and the Explorer2. I talked a bit with Chris who lives close by tonight and his view is the same,when seriously hunting deep ones you have to hear everything that's going on. The only time I have Disc on at all is when my ears are tired or I'm short on time and I just want to blast through someplace quick. I'm running the Variability at 10,Gain 7,etc. Chris and I may do some hunting this weekend so I can see first hand what I'm doing that could use a tune up. I will take your latest advice and apply it the best I can,hopefully the "old coin Gods" are kind to me again!

Thank you all for getting in on this thread!!

Kevin
 
BigTony said:
Charles thanks for giving folks another new machine with these settings.

You didn't state what is your audio setting?

I like Audio 3

Bigtony

Factory default whichever that one is but one of the others that's long and stretchy has its use when beach hunting in terms of missing fewer targets.
 
Since there are SO many views on this topic I want to interject something else I've noticed with both my Whites IDX Pro(modified) and the Explorer2. Being as this seems to happen with both these VERY different machines,I will assume it applies to a lot of machines,if not all. I have gone on a few NIGHT HUNTS and have noticed that the machines are SMOOTHER without nearly as much back ground noise. I wasn't initially looking for this anomaly,it came to me when I was using my IDX. Tonight I was hunting way after dark with the Explorer2 and noticed the same thing,to a great degree,in a site I normally hunt during the day. I had the Sens at manual 28 with the stock coil and I NEVER run it that high. Quite as a mouse. There's only one thing I can attribute it to and it's been mentioned before elsewhere. I thought it might bear mentioning again because it's a real thing. Hunting after dark eliminates the suns effect on the detector and coil,I can't see it another way. I have to do more night hunting to really see if it happens all the time but the few times I've been out with two different machines it's been observed that there simply isn't as much outside interference.
One day last year I was hunting just before winter froze us up. I was using the IDX and as soon as the sun went below the horizon targets started popping. I couldn't believe it,my buddy and I have hunted this hill behind this school RELENTLESSLY. I found,in succession within half an hour,a silver Washington,a silver Rosie and a Merc. All at 6" or less.
There HAS to be something to it,and even if it can't be proven on paper,it's being proven with results. Maybe it CAN be proven on paper....

Kevin
 
Kevin, this is an interesting topic for sure. You might have something there because we all know that on days when the sun flares up it effects all tv, cell phones and data over micro wave. I hope other's give their thoughts
 
I'd like to say as well how sorry I am to hear of your loss LS Hunter. We truly at times live in a Vail of tears and sorrow. I pray you will be comforted by family and friends through this difficult time. A hobby like metal detecting can sometimes help by giving your mind an opportunity for a few moments of forgetfulness before the sadness returns. May faith and time ease your burden.

Randy
 
Guy can you give me some settings for Deep Silver my ground mineralisation here is good. And why would one want to hunt with iron mask on.. myself keep in mind that I'm new I like hunting in the smart find screen..Thx Greg
PS. Thanks you guys for all the help and kind words....I have to say it helps being out of the house Thing..
 
Truth be told Guy all I keep praying for right now is piece of mind...Thing really keeps me going...I cant say enough about the forum and the people here,and Rob that sold me my detector...A top notch guy all the way I would do business with him again in a heartbeat...
 
I made a hunt today..Ok the SE pro has know problem hitting a penny @ 8 inches on its side..I could not believe when i dug down and it was on its side and the iding was spot on wow 1952 pennie...One more buffalo to add to the collection as well but it was only around 5... 6 inches... I had the Sensitivity set at 28.. <
 
I made a hunt today..Ok the SE pro has know problem hitting a penny @ 8 inches on its side..I could not believe when i dug down and it was on its side and the iding was spot on wow 1952 pennie...One more buffalo to add to the collection as well but it was only around 5... 6 inches... I had the Sensitivity set at 28.. Thx ..Greg
 
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