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Field Test with the F-75
- Thread starter Mr.Bill
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you get the first pros and cons after I've used it a week or so. (If that doesn't get deleted)
Some may say , it is not a long time to form an opinion but it seems that I was right on with most of my findings.
Seems like i find weaknesses of a detector in a short time that the "real fieldtesters" don't find in month.
Did you ever wonder why you can read a fieldtest of the Fisher F4 in Lost Treasure and the final unit is not even available for month ?
The magazine fieldtesters job is not to inform the buyer about the pros and cons. Their job is to show only the pros to potential buyer.
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Andy,NM
Some may say , it is not a long time to form an opinion but it seems that I was right on with most of my findings.
Seems like i find weaknesses of a detector in a short time that the "real fieldtesters" don't find in month.
Did you ever wonder why you can read a fieldtest of the Fisher F4 in Lost Treasure and the final unit is not even available for month ?
The magazine fieldtesters job is not to inform the buyer about the pros and cons. Their job is to show only the pros to potential buyer.
( This post may be subject to be reviewed and deleted on request of sponsoring companies)
Andy,NM
They usually tell me the truth. Usually when i buy them I know they will be a keeper. I have a hard time getting rid of good machines that work for me. Some times it makes me a little 
trying to keep up with all of them and how they all work but that is the fun of this hobby. Plus I am a jewlery hunter and I pay for my machines with the jewlery I find and sell or melt. The only machine I am interested in is the F75. I am supposed to get one to try out before I decide to buy it 
: : 
. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil
trying to keep up with all of them and how they all work but that is the fun of this hobby. Plus I am a jewlery hunter and I pay for my machines with the jewlery I find and sell or melt. The only machine I am interested in is the F75. I am supposed to get one to try out before I decide to buy it : : . Later Jerry aka Tinfoilsteve herschbach
New member
... I'm not going to post anything here about the F75. I'll just use the heck out of the unit to find out things I need to know. I used to think taking my valuable time to answer other people's questions online was a good thing, but it does seem more and more that by doing so a person gets subjected to questions of motive. I mean, come on, not only do I not have to pay for metal detectors, but I sell the darn things!
I suppose there are people that need to sell detectors, but I'm not one of them. I am in the business because it is my passion, and because it does get me free use of detectors! It's my job to use them... how great is that?! But despite what some people may think posting detailed info about detectors based on my personal use of them is not a job requirement. The only payback is in getting a warm fuzzy in thinking people appreciate the time taken to provide them with something for free.
But there are those like you Andy, that feel yourself to be in a superior position to provide commentary on units because you have to buy your units. You make it clear you have little appreciation for those of us that do not, though I wonder why that is precisely. But I'm an easy-going guy and willing to concede the high morale ground to you. It's not like I'm way too busy these days anyway.
So like everyone else I'll be waiting Andy to see what you find wrong with the F75. And you will of course, as you must. Otherwise we'd have to suspect someone has bought you off. As you imply I and others have been.
Steve Herschbach
I suppose there are people that need to sell detectors, but I'm not one of them. I am in the business because it is my passion, and because it does get me free use of detectors! It's my job to use them... how great is that?! But despite what some people may think posting detailed info about detectors based on my personal use of them is not a job requirement. The only payback is in getting a warm fuzzy in thinking people appreciate the time taken to provide them with something for free.
But there are those like you Andy, that feel yourself to be in a superior position to provide commentary on units because you have to buy your units. You make it clear you have little appreciation for those of us that do not, though I wonder why that is precisely. But I'm an easy-going guy and willing to concede the high morale ground to you. It's not like I'm way too busy these days anyway.
So like everyone else I'll be waiting Andy to see what you find wrong with the F75. And you will of course, as you must. Otherwise we'd have to suspect someone has bought you off. As you imply I and others have been.
Steve Herschbach
Larry--IndianaHVAC
New member
I remember how he bashed the Xterra 50 when it came out too. I will be looking forward to some reviews on the F75 before I pull the trigger. I Sure love the T2!!
... I'm not going to post anything here about the F75. I'll just use the heck out of the unit to find out things I need to know.
That's up to you.
I used to think taking my valuable time to answer other people's questions online was a good thing, but it does seem more and more that by doing so a person gets subjected to questions of motive.
Every one should have an eye on "who is the guy behind his words. I'm not the only one who would trust a person more who has to pay for the detector and not getting it free in order to write a nice review.
I mean, come on, not only do I not have to pay for metal detectors, but I sell the darn things!
That's your right
I suppose there are people that need to sell detectors, but I'm not one of them. I am in the business because it is my passion, and because it does get me free use of detectors! It's my job to use them... how great is that?! But despite what some people may think posting detailed info about detectors based on my personal use of them is not a job requirement. The only payback is in getting a warm fuzzy in thinking people appreciate the time taken to provide them with something for free.
Since you are a multi brand dealer you should have used any detector to explain the differences to the customer.
But there are those like you Andy, that feel yourself to be in a superior position to provide commentary on units because you have to buy your units. You make it clear you have little appreciation for those of us that do not, though I wonder why that is precisely. But I'm an easy-going guy and willing to concede the high morale ground to you. It's not like I'm way too busy these days anyway.
I don't know what makes you think that you are included in my post. But if you get detectors for free in order to write a nice review I'll see your post in a different light from now on
So like everyone else I'll be waiting Andy to see what you find wrong with the F75. And you will of course, as you must. Otherwise we'd have to suspect someone has bought you off. As you imply I and others have been.
I know every detector has its pros and cons. Some companies take the cons. and try to update their detectors but other companies seem to send some guys to the forums to call everyone a liar who finds some weaknesses about their new detector.
Example: Tesoros Tejon had a bad fitting faceplate when released first but that was changed later.
But with the T2 the interference problem was "talked to death" and denied and now the company advertises the interference proofness of the F75. Funny, isn't it ? That multi purpose detector became a relic detector later, because it couldn't be used within the city limits.
You are right, i may find some weaknesses about the F75 but maybe some strength too. It depends what it is, if a detectors can live with it or not. Now we have the advertising starting again....this detector will make all others obsolete...for just 1100$. Shouldn't it be the right for any potential buyer to know what weaknesses the detector has to decide if he can live with that weakness ? The T2 left many disappointed buyer behind and the F75 could be FT last change to proof they can make a detector worth $1000.
Andy,NM
That's up to you.
I used to think taking my valuable time to answer other people's questions online was a good thing, but it does seem more and more that by doing so a person gets subjected to questions of motive.
Every one should have an eye on "who is the guy behind his words. I'm not the only one who would trust a person more who has to pay for the detector and not getting it free in order to write a nice review.
I mean, come on, not only do I not have to pay for metal detectors, but I sell the darn things!
That's your right
I suppose there are people that need to sell detectors, but I'm not one of them. I am in the business because it is my passion, and because it does get me free use of detectors! It's my job to use them... how great is that?! But despite what some people may think posting detailed info about detectors based on my personal use of them is not a job requirement. The only payback is in getting a warm fuzzy in thinking people appreciate the time taken to provide them with something for free.
Since you are a multi brand dealer you should have used any detector to explain the differences to the customer.
But there are those like you Andy, that feel yourself to be in a superior position to provide commentary on units because you have to buy your units. You make it clear you have little appreciation for those of us that do not, though I wonder why that is precisely. But I'm an easy-going guy and willing to concede the high morale ground to you. It's not like I'm way too busy these days anyway.
I don't know what makes you think that you are included in my post. But if you get detectors for free in order to write a nice review I'll see your post in a different light from now on
So like everyone else I'll be waiting Andy to see what you find wrong with the F75. And you will of course, as you must. Otherwise we'd have to suspect someone has bought you off. As you imply I and others have been.
I know every detector has its pros and cons. Some companies take the cons. and try to update their detectors but other companies seem to send some guys to the forums to call everyone a liar who finds some weaknesses about their new detector.
Example: Tesoros Tejon had a bad fitting faceplate when released first but that was changed later.
But with the T2 the interference problem was "talked to death" and denied and now the company advertises the interference proofness of the F75. Funny, isn't it ? That multi purpose detector became a relic detector later, because it couldn't be used within the city limits.
You are right, i may find some weaknesses about the F75 but maybe some strength too. It depends what it is, if a detectors can live with it or not. Now we have the advertising starting again....this detector will make all others obsolete...for just 1100$. Shouldn't it be the right for any potential buyer to know what weaknesses the detector has to decide if he can live with that weakness ? The T2 left many disappointed buyer behind and the F75 could be FT last change to proof they can make a detector worth $1000.
Andy,NM
steve herschbach
New member
Hi Andy,
Since you like quotes - "But if you get detectors for free in order to write a nice review I'll see your post in a different light from now on."
I have never got a detector for free in order to write a nice review. I get detectors to use for free because my company BUYS several hundered a year to sell. As the guy that does the buying, I am lucky enough to be able to order whatever I wish in able to evaluate whether I should stock and sell it. I did get a free X-Terra 50 direct from Minelab, like many, and did write a favorable review of it, but not because I got it for free. I would have anyway. I was favorable towards the machine because I liked it and still do.
I'm pragmatic, Andy. I'm my number one best customer. If I like a machine, then I'm betting others will also. So I stock it and sell it. If I do not like it, I take a pass. As you know, there are plenty to choose from. So as a multiline dealer I can cherry pick the ones I like and think will sell and pass on the rest. I've actually been pretty harsh on Fisher units the last few years.
You said "Since you are a multi brand dealer you should have used any detector to explain the differences to the customer".
I do go to great lengths to use different machines and provide honest comparisons - see http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=349 and tell me if that is not the case.
Currently the only Fisher machine I stock is the Gold Bug 2, and I sell a bunch of them. An real classic nugget hunter. I'm hoping the F75, as a product of the man behind the Gold Bug 2, will also turn out to be a great machine. I'd like to see Fisher make a comeback.
One last quote from you "I don't know what makes you think that you are included in my post".
Well Andy, when you paint with large strokes you often get paint where you did not intend. Why do you try to build yourself up by tearing others down? I'm sorry if others have called you a liar... so you want to sink to their level? You are obviously an intelligent person and you have posted lots of good information. I don't agree with all of it, but who does. I'd say you are spot on most of the time. Too bad you feel a need to trash others in the process. Just because a person gets to use detectors for free does not mean they lack integrity.
nuff said... Happy Hunting Andy!
Steve Herschbach
Since you like quotes - "But if you get detectors for free in order to write a nice review I'll see your post in a different light from now on."
I have never got a detector for free in order to write a nice review. I get detectors to use for free because my company BUYS several hundered a year to sell. As the guy that does the buying, I am lucky enough to be able to order whatever I wish in able to evaluate whether I should stock and sell it. I did get a free X-Terra 50 direct from Minelab, like many, and did write a favorable review of it, but not because I got it for free. I would have anyway. I was favorable towards the machine because I liked it and still do.
I'm pragmatic, Andy. I'm my number one best customer. If I like a machine, then I'm betting others will also. So I stock it and sell it. If I do not like it, I take a pass. As you know, there are plenty to choose from. So as a multiline dealer I can cherry pick the ones I like and think will sell and pass on the rest. I've actually been pretty harsh on Fisher units the last few years.
You said "Since you are a multi brand dealer you should have used any detector to explain the differences to the customer".
I do go to great lengths to use different machines and provide honest comparisons - see http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=349 and tell me if that is not the case.
Currently the only Fisher machine I stock is the Gold Bug 2, and I sell a bunch of them. An real classic nugget hunter. I'm hoping the F75, as a product of the man behind the Gold Bug 2, will also turn out to be a great machine. I'd like to see Fisher make a comeback.
One last quote from you "I don't know what makes you think that you are included in my post".
Well Andy, when you paint with large strokes you often get paint where you did not intend. Why do you try to build yourself up by tearing others down? I'm sorry if others have called you a liar... so you want to sink to their level? You are obviously an intelligent person and you have posted lots of good information. I don't agree with all of it, but who does. I'd say you are spot on most of the time. Too bad you feel a need to trash others in the process. Just because a person gets to use detectors for free does not mean they lack integrity.
nuff said... Happy Hunting Andy!
Steve Herschbach
This is where the hard feeling come from. The X-Terra 50 with its too long lower stem and that floppy coil. I recall the excuses for that: " I'm 6' ..no problem" or " I hunt anyway with the coil 4" in front of me." I don't know who posted that anymore but Minelab offered later a shorter lower stem to solve that non existing problem.
I didn't like the X-Terra 50 much but i like the X-Terra 70. Too sad Minelab still doesn't offer a small coil for it. That really limits the potential of the X-Terra. I could be my number one with a small coil and better springs in the battery compartment.
Do I feel I give better information then some dealer about detectors ?
Yes i do, because my information is independent. It seems that some people want independent info and even wait what the non dealer guys have to say before they buy. Do they believe everything what I or other non dealer post ? No, they don't but they have at least seen some weaknesses about the detector and can make up their mind if that weakness is important for them.
I don't feel i raise myself by turn other "tester" down. They turn down themselves by defending the weaknesses of a detector with excuses even after more then one user confirms the problem is real.
Isn't if funny how quiet the T2 police is now ? They got some updates, a new coil...the T2 works now...First Texas releases a new detector to "fight for".
Good hunting for you too,
Andy,NM
I didn't like the X-Terra 50 much but i like the X-Terra 70. Too sad Minelab still doesn't offer a small coil for it. That really limits the potential of the X-Terra. I could be my number one with a small coil and better springs in the battery compartment.
Do I feel I give better information then some dealer about detectors ?
Yes i do, because my information is independent. It seems that some people want independent info and even wait what the non dealer guys have to say before they buy. Do they believe everything what I or other non dealer post ? No, they don't but they have at least seen some weaknesses about the detector and can make up their mind if that weakness is important for them.
I don't feel i raise myself by turn other "tester" down. They turn down themselves by defending the weaknesses of a detector with excuses even after more then one user confirms the problem is real.
Isn't if funny how quiet the T2 police is now ? They got some updates, a new coil...the T2 works now...First Texas releases a new detector to "fight for".
Good hunting for you too,
Andy,NM
Mike Scott
New member
You are the ultimate pessimist and that helps sometimes. Where you fall down is in not trying to fix or work through problems or relay the info to the factory and see if they can help. I don't post here often and don't want to get into a big long debate but...AZ Jack is right--there was a problem with SOME coils. How many T2s did you try? You cant give a test report on a defective detector, that would just be silly. Some people were patient enough to realize there was a problem with some units, they sent in their detectors and they were replaced with ones that have a distinctive epoxy repair job on the back of the coil or a new coil altogether--heres another way to tell you have a bad one---they chatter all the time even in a very low sensitivity setting away from urban areas. Even people that had never had a detector before realized something was not right or someone realized it for them when they called the factory or someone that knew checked out their T2. Some coils also leaked would your report have said the unit was not waterproof because you had one that leaked? FT fixed these free of charge and detectors were returned in better shape than they were sent in. I had a T2 in Sept of 2005 and I worked thru the chatter then talked to the factory sent it in and it came back much more stable. The T2 is still a good sensitive detector that may not be as stable as you like. I had great success with it and then sent it in for the upgrade- Another detector came back-more improvements- better detector along with the same sensitivity. The T2 IS a great detector unless you get a broken one OR cant figure out how to make it work for you.
Like I said I like to read your reports they are very informative and they do help many in making their decisions.
I could be way off base here because I dont remember exactly what your problems were with the detector. Maybe you did have more than one unit---maybe you did send it in to get checked out--maybe you did call the factory and try and work through it. If this is the case I apologize in advance.
Maybe there are some places in the world like NM that the T2 just wont work good in.
I think you may have had a defective unit.
There will undoubtably be some things on the F75 that some people won't like. Hopfully with input from everyone in the detecting community positive and negitive, the next detector will be better.
I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the F75.
Good luck and I hope it is the perfect detector.
Mike Scott
Like I said I like to read your reports they are very informative and they do help many in making their decisions.
I could be way off base here because I dont remember exactly what your problems were with the detector. Maybe you did have more than one unit---maybe you did send it in to get checked out--maybe you did call the factory and try and work through it. If this is the case I apologize in advance.
Maybe there are some places in the world like NM that the T2 just wont work good in.
I think you may have had a defective unit.
There will undoubtably be some things on the F75 that some people won't like. Hopfully with input from everyone in the detecting community positive and negitive, the next detector will be better.
I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the F75.
Good luck and I hope it is the perfect detector.
Mike Scott
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Anonymous
Guest
stick with your M6 or prisim-- 'bout alls U can handle 
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Anonymous
Guest
andy the ultimate pessimist will come back and bash the f- 75 with some far fetched flaw and go back to his -m6 is the greatest- routine---
sure he didnt get a free M6 for all the hype he spews?????????????
notice his act takes center stage and he runs his yap only when a new detector is comin' out to threaten his fav. whites??????????
his act has run its course-i hope hes close to bein banned for good---------but then he'll claim he was unjustly censored to speak his mind so its a no win game he plays really--
AJ
sure he didnt get a free M6 for all the hype he spews?????????????
notice his act takes center stage and he runs his yap only when a new detector is comin' out to threaten his fav. whites??????????
his act has run its course-i hope hes close to bein banned for good---------but then he'll claim he was unjustly censored to speak his mind so its a no win game he plays really--
AJ
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
Whites made the same mistake Minelab did and Fisher did. The M6 I am sure is a nice detector but nothing that has not been done before.
I love my White's XL 6000 pro with the analog meter but that is an old machine.
Then comes the T2 I will say again where Dave left off on the MXT he took the T2 to the next level. The T2 is by far one of the best new if not the best relic machine out there.
So we wait for the F75 and hope they took it to the next level not sure how they can do that but if Dave is behind it then it must have a few things he wanted to do on the T2 but didn't have time to do.
We will all find out soon and the test will come but the true test is the T2 and F75 over the same ground same time checking the same targets out. And it has to be tested by someone that knows both machines...Like Bill Ladd. Come on Bill do a test for all of us pros cons all the good stuff or bad stuff.
I love my White's XL 6000 pro with the analog meter but that is an old machine.
Then comes the T2 I will say again where Dave left off on the MXT he took the T2 to the next level. The T2 is by far one of the best new if not the best relic machine out there.
So we wait for the F75 and hope they took it to the next level not sure how they can do that but if Dave is behind it then it must have a few things he wanted to do on the T2 but didn't have time to do.
We will all find out soon and the test will come but the true test is the T2 and F75 over the same ground same time checking the same targets out. And it has to be tested by someone that knows both machines...Like Bill Ladd. Come on Bill do a test for all of us pros cons all the good stuff or bad stuff.