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FAST ON / DEEP ON

I've been wonder the same. I thought maybe one canceled out the other. Does fast on and deep on work?
 
Fast on may clip some of those signals off a bit.. I never have it on but leave deep on almost always enabled
 
i am looking 4 some feed back and i only use 1 or the other so i put the question out!! fast wen trashy deep wen not so trashy!!



bob
 
My use of these is the same as GKMan. In heavy iron I just slow way down.
 
In my opinion.....

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?86,2013050,2013223#msg-2013223


But since making those posts, I've found an exception.... ( http://www.findmall.com/read.php?86,2161250,2162645#msg-2162645 )

When using Fast ON with the Coiltek elliptical coil, the CTX will provide that old familiar "grunt" on the deep nails. It wasn't doing that (in the places I've been hunting) with Fast OFF. With all this in mind, when I detect a target in one Pattern, I will confirm the TID in the other. Usually, with FAST ON, if a target "squeaks" in discrimination, it will grunt in non-discrimination. And if I happen to have multiple iron targets under the coil, Pinpoint Sizing will usually separate them for me, with a fairly accurate TID.

HH Randy
 
Id suggest you use them by site condition and by your ability to pay extra close attention. What I'm saying is that the sounds get clipped for sure and they are not as smooth on any of the indicators because of this if YOU DONT concentrate carefully then Id tell you to use just one of them for a bit more stable smooth indication sound. It will increase the iffy target ids to some degree and you dig a bit more trash, especially while getting used to it. Id say I find a well hidden target more often but Id also have to say I dig A lot more junk targets more often working with them both on. Where I do this is easy for me to dig so its not a too bad for me. Ill use them both after I've hit a good spot with my regular set up and find a reason to try the area well over. The rest of the time im usually running with one or the other on in my older areas, especially if the targets are deep and the ground is relatively clean.

I mention the concentration thing because some of the guys detecting think that the machine should make a perfect ID on every good target...that doesn't happen in areas where you use fast and deep on a CTX.
 
THANKS EVERY ONE

4 your feed back .as i understand now it will depend on conditions and a bit of trial and error!!
wen running both on. with some exp. should not be hard to make a call to dig or not. i will
try on and off in my cleaner ground and see what happens.


minelabbob
 
Fast and deep setting both skew the signal return. As was stated above, the FAST setting clips the target repsonse which will make it more erratic and give bad target numbers if the target isnt shallow. DEEP setting boosts the signal, but it's going to boost everything, including junk and ground response. If you are using a high manual sensitivity setting, turning on DEEP can really cause problems.

There are times and places to use these, but it depends on the local soil and trash conditions. I have read that the minelab engineers and techs stated that deep and fast should never be used together on the E-Trac. Since the CTX is very similar, it could be reasoned that the same applies.
 
Andy Sabisch stated in a Boot Camp that there is no problem using Fast and Deep at the same time. They do alter the signals as noted above, but are separate functions.

Also note that the Deep function only amplifies weak or deep signals, not all of them (p 36, The CTX 3030 Handbook, "The benefit of the DEEP option is that it only affects the signals from the smaller or deeper targets.")
 
WELL WE
can go back and forth about this so i guess it depends on your area ,detector,skills,soils any other factors that
we have not mention. we all have seen thing work 4 some and not 4 others. all we can do is try and find out
4 our self and go with it or not!! yes and i do remember seeing with the E-TRAC they said not to run together
i guess i also had this in mine 4 the CTX , but if MR.ANDY SABISCH who was on the front line with the e-trac
stated you can run both with some exceptions then it should be ok.


thanks again 4 all the help
minelabbob
 
KinTN said:
Andy Sabisch stated in a Boot Camp that there is no problem using Fast and Deep at the same time. They do alter the signals as noted above, but are separate functions.

Also note that the Deep function only amplifies weak or deep signals, not all of them (p 36, The CTX 3030 Handbook, "The benefit of the DEEP option is that it only affects the signals from the smaller or deeper targets.")
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That's good to hear that both options can be used without degrading targets. Wish one of those classes would be held in my area, I've heard only good things about it from those who attended.
 
If you think about it, it makes sense. Fast clips the duration of the signal and Deep enhances the weaker signals. 2 entirely different signal tweaks and no reason that both operations cant be performed simultaneously. And yes, even tho I was happy with my CTX performance pre-camp, hearing how the machine works internally + how each machine setting affects the others at a Boot Camp from someone intimately involved in the development of the FBS line was well worth my time. That kind of knowledge is much more valuable that hearing from self appointed internet experts. I encourage everyone who can to take advantage of classes like these whenever possible.
 
THANKS KIN TN !!
4 your feed back, as 4 my self and others on this forum, we base are knowledge on experience with the dirty 30 and
we all try are best to help ware ever and who ever! as of yet i have not had the pleasure of meeting the self appointed
internet expert, but next time you see him say thanks from all of us!!!!!!!


MINELABBOB
 
Will do, BOB. And let me say that I appreciate the enthusiasm that you bring to the board. We're all here to learn from each other and maybe give back a little of what this hobby has brought to each of us. I especially enjoy the thought provoking posts and rational discussion that push the envelope of what the various machines can do.
 
ALL I TRY
to do is help, give back the things that made metal detecting so much fun 4-me. i want all to experience what i have had
over the years. in the beginning wen i got my first FBS UNITE it was all of you who help me learn and now years later i
want to give it back !!! and help some of the new bees (and i dont mean anything about new bees as i was one to) 30+
years ago.i want all the guys/gals to get the most out of this hobby/job .most guys my age can understand what it means
to help out all the young folks and keep them away from all the negative things in today life. so thats why i do what i do.
and i will keep it up till i drop or pop!!!!!!!!!

best wishes hope you all find the pot of GOLD

MINELABBOB .
 
In parks with heavy trash I started using both fast and deep on with my E-Trac and carried it over with my CTX. I've been pretty successful with them both on. Yes, it will throw your numbers off and will chop off the tones a bit. In parks I dig mostly by tones and how deep a target is anyway. After years of digging targets I know the tones that I'm listening for so the chopped off tones really don't bother me. I love it when I hear the iffy tones I've learned to listen for that stop me dead in my tracks.

So the long story short of it is you can be successful with using both fast and deep on but you have to dig enough targets to learn the tones that you want to dig. One of the things that really helped me was detecting with someone that knew what they were doing and when they find one of those deep iffy targets they would let me listen to it. That really open the doors for me. If you don't have someone like that then it's all about digging a ton of targets that in include trash targets.

HH Randy
 
THANKS RANDY
i will start testing it out here and there and see what i can come up with!! trash did you say trash!!
i know its the only way!




bob
 
With deep on, or fast on is there any effect on how Target Trace appears?
 
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