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F75 vs Simplex+
- Thread starter JaWi.
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I have both. I feel well versed with the F75 using it extensively for 2 seasons. I've had my Simplex out maybe 6 or 7 times. I am a parks and schools coin and jewelry hunter. Here are some early impressions on the Simplex compared to my F75 for this type of hunting, and when using a similar coil on the F75, ie the stock coil.
The F75 gives tighter, more repeatable VDIs for me. This is a little improved with the recent software updates on the Simplex to its current verion of 2.77 at the time of this post. I even posted a question on the Simplex forum about what modes people found to give the best VDIs, because it was noticeable to me.
The Simplex and the F75 share the same degree of susceptibility to EMI in my experience at a particularly bad park around me.
The tone selection for coin hunting is better on the F75. I prefer using 4H. With the latest update, the Simplex in what they call Park modes, gives 3 tones. There are 2 sub-park modes with one having the high tone break right where the crossover between a fresh zinc starts to blend into a copper penny. The other park mode has the high break much lower and doesn't fit well with US currency. There is no nickel notched-in high tone on the Simplex like in the F75 4H mode.
I rarely dig deeper than 6 or 7 inches, with most of my finds at 3-4 inches. Detection and discreetness of the signal on the Simplex is as good as the F75 at these depths.
Wireless headphones and the tones otherwise on the Simplex are good in quality. No flute like sounds. Nice beeps. It has a rechargeable battery that so far has great life. There is even a vibration setting and an LED light aimed at the ground available to use.
Ergonomically, I prefer the F75. You can't beat the trigger pinpoint design, in my opinion. I don't know why every detector doesn't use it. The buttons on the Simplex are really hard to push. I mean really hard. I believe it likely is due to its waterproof nature, which is a bonus over the F75, and one of the reasons I wanted it for lakes and streams. Balance and weight seem similar for stock coils. The Simplex is really easy to collapse into a really small size, which is helpful. It uses cam locking instead of the button and hole design to lock the shafts on the F75.
Both have easy to read screens. I prefer the dial and push button on the F75 over multiple buttons on the SImplex control face.
In the end, I prefer the controls and the tones settings on the F75 better for my style of hunting. The Simplex shines in its price, waterproof nature, and collapsible portability, so I consider it complementary to my F75. It is a very capable detector. Hard to call it a beginner model after using it. The company is responsive to user comments and requests, and has released firmware updates to address issues. So in the future, maybe there will be further modes or tone adjustments.
The F75 gives tighter, more repeatable VDIs for me. This is a little improved with the recent software updates on the Simplex to its current verion of 2.77 at the time of this post. I even posted a question on the Simplex forum about what modes people found to give the best VDIs, because it was noticeable to me.
The Simplex and the F75 share the same degree of susceptibility to EMI in my experience at a particularly bad park around me.
The tone selection for coin hunting is better on the F75. I prefer using 4H. With the latest update, the Simplex in what they call Park modes, gives 3 tones. There are 2 sub-park modes with one having the high tone break right where the crossover between a fresh zinc starts to blend into a copper penny. The other park mode has the high break much lower and doesn't fit well with US currency. There is no nickel notched-in high tone on the Simplex like in the F75 4H mode.
I rarely dig deeper than 6 or 7 inches, with most of my finds at 3-4 inches. Detection and discreetness of the signal on the Simplex is as good as the F75 at these depths.
Wireless headphones and the tones otherwise on the Simplex are good in quality. No flute like sounds. Nice beeps. It has a rechargeable battery that so far has great life. There is even a vibration setting and an LED light aimed at the ground available to use.
Ergonomically, I prefer the F75. You can't beat the trigger pinpoint design, in my opinion. I don't know why every detector doesn't use it. The buttons on the Simplex are really hard to push. I mean really hard. I believe it likely is due to its waterproof nature, which is a bonus over the F75, and one of the reasons I wanted it for lakes and streams. Balance and weight seem similar for stock coils. The Simplex is really easy to collapse into a really small size, which is helpful. It uses cam locking instead of the button and hole design to lock the shafts on the F75.
Both have easy to read screens. I prefer the dial and push button on the F75 over multiple buttons on the SImplex control face.
In the end, I prefer the controls and the tones settings on the F75 better for my style of hunting. The Simplex shines in its price, waterproof nature, and collapsible portability, so I consider it complementary to my F75. It is a very capable detector. Hard to call it a beginner model after using it. The company is responsive to user comments and requests, and has released firmware updates to address issues. So in the future, maybe there will be further modes or tone adjustments.
brettfromokla
New member
I bought a Simplex+ When it came out. I actually was impressed with it, especially for the price. I had a Macro racer previously, and I found it similar. Depth was Ok. a little better than an A/T Pro. A friend of mine bought an ORX and didn't like it. He traded it for an Equinox, and an F75 with 2 coils. I traded him the Simplex for the F75. I like the F75 better, although heavier, it is balanced better. I do like the tones better on the F75. And I can adjust the iron audio level with it. I had a good repeatable high tone which was reading 80 on the F75 when I got it. I had a friend came by with his equinox, using the 6 inch coil, and he couldn't pick it up. Another friend came up with my old Simplex, and he got a poor sound and a 55 on the vdi scale. he said it wasn't worth digging. I dug it anyway. I found 4 nails, and a 1879 seated quarter.
virginia digger
Active member
I have both detectors. The F75 is a great machine in every way as has already been stated. The Simplex has great depth, ergonomics and very crisp tones. For the money, the Simplex can't be touched. I guess NOKTA knew this would be the death blow to many of their competition.....and it has. Just ask Whites Electronics.
I went with the F75+. Had a Simplex for a little while and it was just not a good fit for me. Very good for the price but I did not like the pinpoint and the tones. I just feel like the F75+ has more to offer for me on coins and jewelry hunting. Higher price but more options and at 70 years old the balance is a plus for me also.
IowaRelic
Well-known member
You made the right choice.
Wanted to add a couple of things since this post was dug up. My 2 cents:
This Summer I have almost exclusively used my F75. The Simplex just bothered me especially in these ways:
1. shaft wobble. I am 6 feet tall. I have the shaft nearly completely extended. Wobble can be really bothersome. There is a longer middle shaft produced which is metal and will allow you to shorten the lower composite piece. That should help, but I haven't seen them available in the US yet.
2. nose heavy. That 11" coil ruins the balance of the unit, esp when it's fully extended like I do. New coils are small and will help. Disappointed at the stated MSRP of the coils at what is half the price of the machine. Maybe NEL or others will step up, but that is probably way off yet.
3. just can't stand the pinpointing. Very stiff button on my machine (why doesn't everyone use a trigger?!). Also I just can't get the pinpoint accuracy down. I don't use a shovel at the schools and parks, and keep my plugs almost always 5" or less with the F75. I find my pinpointing off a lot with the Simplex, needing to expand the plug to find the targets.
4. waterproof remains the keeper characteristic for me, as well as its low price. Battery life in both the machine and the headphones remains great. Still love the way it closes up to a really small footprint.
relicmeister
Well-known member
I kind of miss my f75.
Such a successful design I wonder if a revised upgraded version would be worthwhile? What would A new version have ?
Such a successful design I wonder if a revised upgraded version would be worthwhile? What would A new version have ?
IowaRelic
Well-known member
I don’t think they’d have to totally re invent the wheel with it. How about water proof, rechargeable internal battery, same placement is fine. Wouldn’t want to hurt the perfect ergonomics. Selectable single frequency, 7.8 kHz, 13 kHz, 19 kHz, and how about like a 28kHz option.
Basically, a machine that contains an f75, an omega, and a f19. They could add adjustable recovery speed for each process. They could add a 5 tone, a 20, a 50 tone. And really, you should be able to get all that for the price of an anfibio. It should automatically come with 2 coils.
I wonder if they feel like it has to be simultaneous multi frequency to sell good right now even though they themselves know it’s not that big of a deal for everyday hunting so they just hold off? I mean what if they did another t2/f75 update program and just add features to the current machines. I would for sure send my t2se in for it.
Basically, a machine that contains an f75, an omega, and a f19. They could add adjustable recovery speed for each process. They could add a 5 tone, a 20, a 50 tone. And really, you should be able to get all that for the price of an anfibio. It should automatically come with 2 coils.
I wonder if they feel like it has to be simultaneous multi frequency to sell good right now even though they themselves know it’s not that big of a deal for everyday hunting so they just hold off? I mean what if they did another t2/f75 update program and just add features to the current machines. I would for sure send my t2se in for it.
Although the depth of the F 75 LTD DST is nothing to sneeze at, when DST was added I know from my test garden the DST version lost some depth. I am on my 3rd F 75 and my 1st was the original camo version and while a bit sparky, it was as deep as my cz6a and cz3d. And they were deep! If Fisher would/could get the original depth back on the F 75 platform and and tidy up the tid some at depth, they wouldn't need a multi frequency detector to be competitive. And I would thus own my 4th F 75. HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND, EVERYONE. HH jim tn
The F75 is a fantastic detector in mild to moderate dirt and lower EMI levels. Same for the T2.
The Simplex has some incredible features for the money. It reminds me a lot of the T2.
So, if you want one of the best detectors ever designed get the F75.
If you want or need built in wireless audio, built in rechargeable batteries, fully waterproof, a vibrating handle that is a target signal for underwater use, a fairly easy to use retractable shaft system (carbon fiber lower shaft will be here soon from Nokta Makro), and easy for anyone to use at an incredible price the Simplex is really hard to beat. It has a 2 tone relic mode (Field) and deep 3 tone mode (Park 1) a more tame, shallower 3 tone mode for easy places (Park 2) a 2 tone Beach mode that will ground balance well and handle most saltwater beaches, and an actual VCO audio threshold based All Metal mode. The numerical target IDs are vastly improved with the version 2.77/2.78 software in my opinion even in moderate to high mineralization.
I have not had any EMI issues yet and have used the Simplex at sites where my former F75 and T2 along with an Omega 8000, Gamma, Whites V3i and DFX, Makro Multi Kruzer and Kruzer were totally unusable.
That lower shaft on the Simplex has way to much flex and is a joke when trying to pinpoint. The pinpoint button (and all of the buttons) are super stiff.
Otherwise, with the recent software updates, the Simplex is one heck of a buy for the money. Nothing close feature wise in a single frequency, wireless audio, rechargeable battery, waterproof detector.
The Simplex has some incredible features for the money. It reminds me a lot of the T2.
So, if you want one of the best detectors ever designed get the F75.
If you want or need built in wireless audio, built in rechargeable batteries, fully waterproof, a vibrating handle that is a target signal for underwater use, a fairly easy to use retractable shaft system (carbon fiber lower shaft will be here soon from Nokta Makro), and easy for anyone to use at an incredible price the Simplex is really hard to beat. It has a 2 tone relic mode (Field) and deep 3 tone mode (Park 1) a more tame, shallower 3 tone mode for easy places (Park 2) a 2 tone Beach mode that will ground balance well and handle most saltwater beaches, and an actual VCO audio threshold based All Metal mode. The numerical target IDs are vastly improved with the version 2.77/2.78 software in my opinion even in moderate to high mineralization.
I have not had any EMI issues yet and have used the Simplex at sites where my former F75 and T2 along with an Omega 8000, Gamma, Whites V3i and DFX, Makro Multi Kruzer and Kruzer were totally unusable.
That lower shaft on the Simplex has way to much flex and is a joke when trying to pinpoint. The pinpoint button (and all of the buttons) are super stiff.
Otherwise, with the recent software updates, the Simplex is one heck of a buy for the money. Nothing close feature wise in a single frequency, wireless audio, rechargeable battery, waterproof detector.
IowaRelic
Well-known member
I’m not sure how boost process affects the different tone options on the f75. Even though it’s very nice that you can use it over any tone selection. You can’t on the t2. I will say that boost process on my t2 at 70 sensitivity is about the same depth as 2 tone cranked up.
Although there is a tad more depth in boost mode, of which I use most of the time, where it really shines is when swinging over taller grass and brush. The air gap between coil and earth gives it the humph to hit targets with the coil several inches above the ground. I really love the mode for woods hunting. The original camo version was a solid 3" deeper in de mode then my DST versions. Boost mode makes up maybe 1 of the 3" difference. The boost mode works with all tone setups on the F 75. As a old coin hunter I am in 3H and 4H tones 99% of the time. HH jim tn
Ronstar
Well-known member
The other option is to simply turn the DST off. Im getting comfortable enough with this now that Im beginning to stretch my wings. Meanwhile the default setting is pretty self sufficient. I was out last Sunday with jkline and where he was getting a fair amount of EMI near the corner of a building with his CTX3030 I had nothing.
IowaRelic
Well-known member
Amen on boost mode in the woods. I usually got 4-8” of pine straw to kick out of the way over a scratchy target then it sounds nice. I have a detech ultimate and it’s Smokin deep but I never use it. I like the stock coil just fine. I’ve considered the Cors 12.5x8.5 or the 12x13. Love the 12x13 on the Greek machines.
Ronstar
Well-known member
I will find out soon more about BP and Field mode. There is an old school house near here still standing but across the road is where the actual small town once stood. We obtained permission from the land owner to detect the field which is believed to have never been done. Found out field is in CRP so has not been disced in some time. Waiting for dome rain to soften things up a bit.