I've been using a F75 for about 5 yrs now. Last yr I bought a new limited 2. I strictly relic hunt CW sites. Recently I've been hunting w a friend that uses a AT Pro. I always find more lead than he does but it seems that he finds more of the small brass items. I'm using the stock coil and I'm not bragging but I feel like I'm pretty good w my machine. My question or observation is that it seems my F75 is being outperformed when it comes to finding the smaller brass items. Don't get me wrong it's a lead monster. It will sniff bullets out like no tomorrow. I dig anything that is over a 30 on the target ID.and a lot of iffy signals. Has anybody else ran into this while hunting w other detectors? I love my F75. Really can't complain about anything it's great. Just wanted to know what you guys think. Oh yeah and I mainly hunt in Je mode. Sensitivity 90. Disc 5-10. 2f tone.
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F75 compared to other detectors?
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WV62
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Can't say anything about the AT pro, but if I was a relic hunter I think I would be running BP over JE. The way I see it JE is a tad deeper than DE but still in the same ball park. I am not sure about the 2f tones because I am a coin hunter and I use 1 tone, 3 and 3h and 4 and 4h most of the time. I must say I am not looking for lead but I find lots of it in the wooded areas of our parks. I also find a lot of brass bullet casings in the .22 and .25cal.
If you think about it on your next few hunts when you find a target you would dig with your settings switch to boost and see if you would still dig, I think you will like the extra power of boost. I am not sure I could say my f75 likes brass but I find lots of it, but most is trash in my area.
Just state my experience with the F75, I got my first one in 2010 and have been using one all but 1 year to date, but for the most part I am a coin hunter.
Ron in WV
If you think about it on your next few hunts when you find a target you would dig with your settings switch to boost and see if you would still dig, I think you will like the extra power of boost. I am not sure I could say my f75 likes brass but I find lots of it, but most is trash in my area.
Just state my experience with the F75, I got my first one in 2010 and have been using one all but 1 year to date, but for the most part I am a coin hunter.
Ron in WV
Ron I do use Bp if I'm hunting a pasture or field. In the woods a prefer JE. The reason being that in my experience in BP there is more falsing. Especially w the sensitivity high. The ground that I hunt in is mild usually GB around 60. I maybe over thinking this who knows. I mean after all I have found several primers. Brass doesn't get much small than that. It just seems to me my buddy finds more brass and I more lead.
WV62
Well-known member
It don't look like anybody out here has the same experience and can give you a really good answer.
I know this idea will eat up some of your hunting time, but when hunting with my brother and we get what we think is a good target and we are close enough we call the other over. We put out machines on the target before digging and try to make the call good or bad target. This is kind fun for us to compare machines and it does take time out of the day. Just a little something to think about, may not work for you.
Just wondering how big are those old primers, the ones I use on my cap and ball 50cal are about the size of a BB?
Ron in WV
I know this idea will eat up some of your hunting time, but when hunting with my brother and we get what we think is a good target and we are close enough we call the other over. We put out machines on the target before digging and try to make the call good or bad target. This is kind fun for us to compare machines and it does take time out of the day. Just a little something to think about, may not work for you.
Just wondering how big are those old primers, the ones I use on my cap and ball 50cal are about the size of a BB?
Ron in WV
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Don't be surprised to find this topic deleted or at lest moved because of detector brand comparisons, this is the Fisher "F" series forum and has more sponsoring related to and for the Fisher brand.
More multi-brand detector comparisons can be done on the Findmall general "Metal Detecting" sub Forum, as long as the topic don't get into brand bashing.
Mark
More multi-brand detector comparisons can be done on the Findmall general "Metal Detecting" sub Forum, as long as the topic don't get into brand bashing.
Mark
Ron that is a good idea. May start giving that a trying if my hunting buddy will agree. I could be just me. I know the F75 is a great machine. You know detecting is a skill but it is also luck. Running a coil over the right spot. Thank you for your advice.
The primers are about like the modern primers of today. Maybe a tad bigger.
The primers are about like the modern primers of today. Maybe a tad bigger.
James/Washington
Active member
Next time you go out, select DE mode AND disc between 5 and 19. Sensitivity as high as possible without falsing. A very small item, whether silver, copper, brass or whatever, will many times give a vdi number lower if it is small. I found a small silver cross that was about 3 down and the size of a half dime and it read 52. Small pieces of copper will read lower than a piece of copper the size of a penny. This is not true all of the time. If you have an iron infested site, your numbers can be all over the place. I think a disc of 30 is too high. Coins are always the same size and easy to determine what they are(well most of the time)but odd sized relics, maybe with some masking going on, are a different story. That is my 2c worth.
REVIER
Well-known member
MarkCZ said:
I don't believe it is such a bad reflection...just experience of one choice used first over another.
I have read plenty of posts going the other way with these same two machines.
Could be just whoever gets the coil over a good target first, could be someone knowing their tool a little better than someone else or other things.
I hunt with a buddy that has an E Trac and it has gone my way a few times with my Fisher scanning the same area he just went over and finding things he missed, a few times he got the goods instead.
I know I understand my detector pretty good, he seems to know his well also.
Angle of attack, coil speed, tool knowledge all comes into play so everything can change, luck might have a little to do with it.
I have seen plenty of comparison vids where the poster declares one unit far superior than another but it was obvious they had way more experience with the unit that came out on top.
One well known, very experienced and respected hunter who has tons of video out about dozens of detectors he has tried in the field had one using mine in a trashy site and declared it no good at all.
I wasn't surprised, he didn't have much time on it at all and used settings I never would have because I knew, with my hundreds of hours invested, that there were way better settings to use than his way that would have been better and behavior I knew that he just didn't and this vid would have had a much different outcome if he knew and used them.
Don't blame him at all, still much respect but the amount of time spent behind any specific detector does matter no matter how much experience you have overall in this hobby.
Very hard to have 100% scientific comparisons in the field between two different units of any kind because you just can't control all the variables like you can under laboratory conditions.
They all find metal but to what regressions on a lot of things.
I run my discrimination on 5-10 not 30. I said that I dig everything that reads 30 or higher.
Yes I realized that the size of the item dictates number readings sometime. I wish it didn't lol. Thanks for the input.
Next time you go out, select DE mode AND disc between 5 and 19. Sensitivity as high as possible without falsing. A very small item, whether silver, copper, brass or whatever, will many times give a vdi number lower if it is small. I found a small silver cross that was about 3 down and the size of a half dime and it read 52. Small pieces of copper will read lower than a piece of copper the size of a penny. This is not true all of the time. If you have an iron infested site, your numbers can be all over the place. I think a disc of 30 is too high. Coins are always the same size and easy to determine what they are(well most of the time)but odd sized relics, maybe with some masking going on, are a different story. That is my 2c worth.[/quote]
Yes I realized that the size of the item dictates number readings sometime. I wish it didn't lol. Thanks for the input.
Next time you go out, select DE mode AND disc between 5 and 19. Sensitivity as high as possible without falsing. A very small item, whether silver, copper, brass or whatever, will many times give a vdi number lower if it is small. I found a small silver cross that was about 3 down and the size of a half dime and it read 52. Small pieces of copper will read lower than a piece of copper the size of a penny. This is not true all of the time. If you have an iron infested site, your numbers can be all over the place. I think a disc of 30 is too high. Coins are always the same size and easy to determine what they are(well most of the time)but odd sized relics, maybe with some masking going on, are a different story. That is my 2c worth.[/quote]
Well said! I always want to jump ship when I start getting bored w my detector. I've bought a Deus twice but always gone back to my F75. Why? Because I'm used to it and really don't want to take the time to learn another machine. Lol
quote=REVIER]
I don't believe it is such a bad reflection...just experience of one choice used first over another.
I have read plenty of posts going the other way with these same two machines.
Could be just whoever gets the coil over a good target first, could be someone knowing their tool a little better than someone else or other things.
I hunt with a buddy that has an E Trac and it has gone my way a few times with my Fisher scanning the same area he just went over and finding things he missed, a few times he got the goods instead.
I know I understand my detector pretty good, he seems to know his well also.
Angle of attack, coil speed, tool knowledge all comes into play so everything can change, luck might have a little to do with it.
I have seen plenty of comparison vids where the poster declares one unit far superior than another but it was obvious they had way more experience with the unit that came out on top.
One well known, very experienced and respected hunter who has tons of video out about dozens of detectors he has tried in the field had one using mine in a trashy site and declared it no good at all.
I wasn't surprised, he didn't have much time on it at all and used settings I never would have because I knew, with my hundreds of hours invested, that there were way better settings to use than his way that would have been better and behavior I knew that he just didn't and this vid would have had a much different outcome if he knew and used them.
Don't blame him at all, still much respect but the amount of time spent behind any specific detector does matter no matter how much experience you have overall in this hobby.
Very hard to have 100% scientific comparisons in the field between two different units of any kind because you just can't control all the variables like you can under laboratory conditions.
They all find metal but to what regressions on a lot of things.[/quote]
quote=REVIER]
MarkCZ said:
I don't believe it is such a bad reflection...just experience of one choice used first over another.
I have read plenty of posts going the other way with these same two machines.
Could be just whoever gets the coil over a good target first, could be someone knowing their tool a little better than someone else or other things.
I hunt with a buddy that has an E Trac and it has gone my way a few times with my Fisher scanning the same area he just went over and finding things he missed, a few times he got the goods instead.
I know I understand my detector pretty good, he seems to know his well also.
Angle of attack, coil speed, tool knowledge all comes into play so everything can change, luck might have a little to do with it.
I have seen plenty of comparison vids where the poster declares one unit far superior than another but it was obvious they had way more experience with the unit that came out on top.
One well known, very experienced and respected hunter who has tons of video out about dozens of detectors he has tried in the field had one using mine in a trashy site and declared it no good at all.
I wasn't surprised, he didn't have much time on it at all and used settings I never would have because I knew, with my hundreds of hours invested, that there were way better settings to use than his way that would have been better and behavior I knew that he just didn't and this vid would have had a much different outcome if he knew and used them.
Don't blame him at all, still much respect but the amount of time spent behind any specific detector does matter no matter how much experience you have overall in this hobby.
Very hard to have 100% scientific comparisons in the field between two different units of any kind because you just can't control all the variables like you can under laboratory conditions.
They all find metal but to what regressions on a lot of things.[/quote]
I do not think my comment was a comparison. I just like to go over the area first with the E-trac and then the F75. I know the F75 can go deeper then the E-trac in my opinion. However, My best find ever has been with the F75LTD2. A perfect 1834 CB dime using the 5" stock coil. I find 75 percent of my silver coins with the E-trac and that might just be because I go over the area FIrst with the E-trac and then the F75. Sometimes I have at least 6 coils with me for the detectors. My buddy says he needs to get a bigger vehicle just for my stuff. LOL.
REVIER
Well-known member
nalc472 said:
I bet you were a boy scout at one time and still take the motto, Always be prepared", very seriously.
I am the opposite and usually take one coil and even if I do take more coils or detectors I am usually to lazy to change over during a hunt.
Semi prepared or Never prepared would be my motto I guess.
Still seem to have much fun on every hunt despite that.
