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Explorer XS and SE

DetectorDummy

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Hi everyone i am new to the minelab detectors i currently own a white's spectrum but I am in the market for a new detector and leaning twards the Minelab. I heard alot about the Explorer SE but i have a chance to buy a Explorer XS for $300 in really good condition. my question is what are the differances between the two other than age and color how good is the XS. How much better is the SE over the XS. thanks in advance. Wally
 
I have the XS and SE. The SE is a replacement. Hands down the better performer is the SE. At least, that has been my experience. That said, $300 is a great price for an XS. My old one with a X1 probe is on consignment at Detector Depot for $565. It may not sell for that, but it will be close. So if you can get it for $300, I would think that is a very good deal.

For me it was time to move though. The SE just has several improvements that made it worth it to me.

Either one is going to improve your finds.

HH Alton
 
Wow this could be a long opinion. I think they are both great Detectors. I have owned both, but after a while I found myself leaving the DFX at home, or just to use as a backup unit. Here's why. Both machines have there place in Metal detecting. I would say 1-6 inches using the stock coil on the DFX was great. In mineralized soil, the Explorer is a better machine because it would just go deeper and virtually ignores the mineralization. The Whites DFX, tended to lose depth and become unstable in mineralized soil, even when I used the DSM program it just couldn't get good depth . The White's DFX is a lighter detector and you can swing it faster, and depending on your body strength, all day long. The MineLab Explorer is a heaver detector and your swing speed needs to be done at almost half the pace as the DFX. Taking a couple of breaks in between would be advised.

Now, at the end of the day, here's the truth. The DFX will find more surface coins!! Yes more surface coins. It will cover more area in a short period of time than the Explorer. The MineLab Explorer will find more of the old deep coins, but because your taking out more dirt out of the hole it's allot slower process. Fact!! There's no disputing this Point. It's just the facts. If you buy an Explorer you will dig deeper and find more old targets at better depths. So I recommend you get a George Leache ground shark relic T shovel, That's my digger of choice.

Listen, I'm not saying that if the Explorer search coil wasn't over the surface coins that it wouldn't hear it. That's not the case at all. I'm sure it would, without a doubt. It's just most of the time I'm moving slower, swinging slower, and I'm listening for the deep targets and ignoring most of the surface coins and trash. Yes I might loose a couple of shallow keepers in the open areas but I find more older and deep ones by doing this. On another note, I do however like to dig all targets around the tree areas, because the root's of the tree tend to stop allot of the sinking of the coins. They also tend to turn and lift coins as well.
Here is the truth. I like finding the old coins, old jewelry, and old relics etc. In some areas of the country the DFX is the choice of allot of people because there clay base is at 6 inches. Meaning there targets don't go any deeper than 6 inches in the area they are hunting. So the DFX would be there choice. If the targets go deeper say like 8-10 inches like we have here in Michigan, than The Explorer is the better choice. Again, if they hunt in mineralized soil, the Explorer is a better choice. If you were to ask this opinion on the DFX forum I'm sure you would get the opposite opinion, but this one is the truth.

Next, I will give you something else to ponder on these cold winter days. Make sure if you do get the Explorer, or the DFX, to get better set of Headphones than the stock ones that come with the Detector. The stock ones are not that good and in my opinion, and need to be upgraded but thats another subject all together. It would be like putting cheep tires on a Ferrari. Sure they work, but they just get you around and are not the performance you need. As for which ones to get, thats a personal preference. I like the Black Widows with my Explorer. They really make the deep signals sound better, thus increasing your finds. I hope this helps a little in your decision making process. Again this is just my opinion.

Tom
 
I basically agree with what migolddigger said. My soil conditions in East Tennessee are probably different than in Michigan, but it is true that the XS will go a bit deeper. For our soil here, though, not much deeper. With the XS I could notice a slight difference in depth over the DFX. With the SE, it is a very noticeable difference.

The DFX is much faster than the XS. The ID is always dead on. Pinpoint is much better on the DFX, and the depth is very accurate. The DFX requires a lot of thinking every time you use it. It is different at every site you go to.

To me, MDing is a thinking man's game anyway, but especially with the DFX. Same is true with XS, but less adjustments are necessary before you can hunt.

There is something about the DFX that I like. Probably because it is very sturdy built and light to swing.

Having said that though, the DFX is also going on consignment in a few days. I don't know if I'll be replacing it with another White's or possible the F-75, or not at all. I'm about in detector overload lately and just need to put the buying decisions down and go put the coil to the ground.

To answer your question, the DFX is much better made, but I chose to hunt more with the XS.

I hope that helps.

HH Alton
 
I have a DFX and an SE and I agree with migolddigger completely.
 
My DFX sits next to my SE. Its not shaking. It knows it has its place just as the SE does.
 
Up here in our soil the DFX often would ID a deep target as iron that the Explorer XS ID'd solid as a coin. Not just small targets like dimes either but large cents and silver quarters. It's also no match for the Explorer XS in iron.

I detected behind a guy who was very good with his DFX and known for gridding an area and detecting it slow and complete. I went up the same sidewalk he did and yanked out a barber half dollar next to a chunk of iron. He now swings a quattro and is hammering finds with that machine.

Honestly I have no interest in bashing the DFX, I'm just stating comparisons between the two machines I have seen with my own two eyes in the field on the same target before its dug. Before anyone suggests the DFX owner didn't know their machine well one guy was Dave Z, the DFX master. I remember two particular finds we tested, one target he said was silver my Explorer said was lead, it was lead. The other target his machine said was iron was in fact a deep silver dime. Explorer said worn silver.

Just my two cents worth
 
It's light and well balanced. I can only dream the Explorer will be as light and well made one day. It's also formidable in the 1-5 maybe 1-6 inch range in our soil. Pinpointing is spot on. Target ID at those depths is also pretty good. I can't stand the pezo buzzer like sound though. I far prefer the musical Explorer tones. Have I mentionied the DFX is light and balanced? Hint hint to Minelab corporate.
 
Lets go purely with logic here.
$300 v $1200
Both Explorers
$300 to learn the basics of the machine and find out if you are really going to like the Explorer.
If you in deed like it you hunt with it for the summer and sell it for a profit and buy the new SE.
If in deed you don't like it you sell it for a profit and buy another machine.
Win, Win, Win. :thumbup:
 
I agree with the tone thing. After using the SE a while the DFX threshold sounds really cheap.
 
and I don't know of anyone that could keep up with him using a DFX. I still miss his post about digging celler holes.

Charles I do envy the soil you have in NY. The ground is kind of contrary here and depth is less than I see reported by you and others from the Northeast. The XS, DFX, or anything else (so far) for that matter has trouble with the red clay soil here. My experience is that the XS does go a bit deeper than anything I have tried other than the Nautilus. When you are talking about a TID machine in rough ground, it wins hands down on depth.

We also don't have very many "old" parks to hunt. They are all gone or remodeled with new dirt. We do have some very old homes though. Usually they don't yeild as much silver as the 1900's homes. Older yes, but most of it is so deep that nothing is finding it much anymore.

BTW, I read your Explorer tips and I'm grateful you posted them. I miss you and Mike Moutray not posting as often as you used too a few years ago.

HH Alton
 
I feel like I have to defend the DFX just a little. It's much lighter, faster responding in trash and you can actually see the screen in all light situations. The XS is deeper, doesn't give many false signals and the cursor (screen) is very accurate. I use the DFX for cellar holes and the XS for open field hunting and hunted hard spots. They both have their pros and cons as there is no perfect machine and they both sit in the same seat in the truck without fighting. Just my 2 cents worth. Ron
 
I own a Minelab Explorer, but I am not a former DFX owner. I still have one and still use it. The area where I live has very low minerals in the soil. My DFX will hang with an Explorer in the fields and the beach. The DFX is a hard machine to learn and most never get to know it. I bought the Explorer for two reasons. Noise cancel and it does better in the mountains where there is bad soil. My idea of a perfect machine would be an Explorer in a DFX box, or a DFX with a noise filter. Just my thoughts, Tony
 
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