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Explorer SE Screen

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Tony in SC

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I've been using the SE for about a year and a half. I have done well with it and have found some deep coins. Before the SE I used the DFX for 4 years. Once I got used to the SE being slower and the different sounds the rest was easy. I really like the SE and it will be my main detector from now on, but, it does one thing that drives me nuts. The screen will hang up. I hunt most of the time in digital and sometimes when I pass over a target that set of numbers will stay on the screen even after I pass over other targets with different tones. Is this normal? I go slow and I like to run it quiet. I don't have another explorer in my area to compare it to. I run in a slight iron mask and I'll switch to a discriminate setting to check a target. When I switch back to iron mask it takes along time to get numbers on the screen again. Is there something wrong with my machine? Thanks, Tony
 
I dont know if its normal, but mine does it also. When it happens i just raise the coil to get a threshold and back. The book makes reference to the numbers not changing because of the disc pattern. But im with you, it sure seems to take some time and tones before the digital is reflected.
 
I have the same problem. I also switch between digital and smart screen alot and I have to pause to get the x to pop up or the digital numbers to come up. I just do the same thing pause and get a threshold sound and go back. Also it seems the sound is always correct, frustrating when you know you have a good tone but the numbers don't match.
JDD
 
Try all metal and see if it still does it. If so try one more thing. This worked with the other explorers, don't know if it will work with the SE. I haven't had to do it yet. With the machine on, pull the Battery pack, then reinsert it. It was called rebooting the old machines.
Just something to try before you send it in to be looked at.
 
Thanks Bob, The reboot did clear it for a while. In all metal it was worse. Going to the fast recovery setting help a little. I did learn that raising the coil will reset the screen and that the screen won't reset untill the threshold returns. Just when I thought I knew everything:biggrin: Tony
 
We all learn something here. Even if we are so called Experienced. That goes for all of us.
 
Also i found if i run my sensitivity too high in a trashy area this happens. SO do a noise cancel, or a reduction of sensitivity, or just move my iron mask down to just about AM.
 
Thanks, I'm not as concerned about my detector now. The last few sites I've hunted have been so trashy that it was hard to keep a threshold. I'm going to try a small coil on those same sites and see how it does. Tony
 
Tony,

The display of the Explorer series will only update the screen after going through a null (in either digital or smart screen mode). After each target is detected the Explorer will go through a short null. This null time is very short and you will not even notice it if you do not listen very carefully.

The process is as follows:
* Detect a target and update the screen
* Move away from the target without detecting another target
* The Explorer goes into a null.
* Only after the null recovers will the screen be updated.

If you go over one or more targets before the null recovers, then the screen will not update on successive targets. You will continue to see the target ID of only the first target. Generally, this is not a big problem, but drove me nuts until I figured out what was going on.

HH,
Glenn
 
Glen, You're right. After much thought and testing that is what is happening. The sites that I'm trying to hunt are two to three hundred year old house and mill sites loaded with iron. The targets are so close together that the SE never recovers enough to get a threshold. I thought for a while it could even be a bad ground ground balance. I'm going back next week with my small coils and and try another approach. Thanks, Tony
PS: It will drive you nuts:ranting::ranting:.
 
...because i am usually not looking at the screen until i hear a tone.

the freeze gives me a chance to see the reading before it changes again.

hmmm...:huh:
 
From what ive read this has been something that happens all the way back to the start of FBS. You hear the tone first... but no problem because you reswing over the target again anyway. I guess my question is when you have no threshold how much depth are you loosing and is this an advantage of the Explorer? I say that because doesnt IM allow you to hear good targets close to ferr objects? I know most of the time if i run Auto sensitivity at 31 i maintain a good threshold most of the time.
 
[quote sangamon]...because i am usually not looking at the screen until i hear a tone.

the freeze gives me a chance to see the reading before it changes again.

hmmm...:huh:[/quote]

It isn't an advantage for me but I'm in trashy places most of the time and that's a (the?) major part of it. If the grounds is clear of objects on either side or in the same hole it's not much of an issue--alhough I think the update is still too slow for a detector made in 2007/2008 should be! Coming from the Sov, I'm used to doing a minelab wiggle over objects when I hear a possibly good tone and seeing if the reading stays stable or tries to rise. That often doesn't work for me with the Explorer. I often have to extremely slowly make passes over the object and try to pause after it's just past it to try get a threshold back to see what it reads. It's nearly impossible to do at times. In effect, it often makes the screen useless except for whatever the initial reading or a seemingly random interrim reading was (and sometimes that reading is of an object next to it). I bought an Explorer because I wanted more information. Becuase of this behavior I often get less information than I would have from my Sov, not more.

I'm realizing this is really of hard to describe. But it's my major frustration w/ the Explorer so far: When I hear a possible good tone, I then want to see how the cursor or numbers react and too often I can't do that. (And this is often with a 5" coil!)

[Feels like that was clear as mud. Oh well.]
 
Some people have posted sending theirs in and ML repairing that, but it's not a constant thing and I mostly hunt by tone only using the screen as a back up test. But if it really bothers you, call up ML and ask if there is a cure. Like I said though, both my SE's do it to the point, that I bought an F-75 for it's faster response, so on the day that occurs to the point that it interferes with my hunt, I'll just whip out the F-75. Let us know what ML says. Hope it works out for you.
 
Is this still happening on the newest explorer? I was saving to get one. I thought I read that one of their updates had to do with the processor for the screen. Was I just dreaming???
 
Tony,
Good Morning,
This Rodney. Please tell me any other things I need to know about the SE like the issue about the screen, shaft, coils, ETC.
I will call your friend California today and get back with you later.
Thanks again
Rodney:minelab:
 
[quote digitrich]Some people have posted sending theirs in and ML repairing that, Let us know what ML says. Hope it works out for you.[/quote]

Sandy at minelab said it should'nt do that, so I sent mine in to ML twice. Each time they sent it back saying there was'nt anything wrong with it.
It's such an annoying feature of the exp., that I've went back to useing my old machine. and the exp resides in the closet.
 
Tony,
I just got off the phone with Greg. Man he certainly know his stuff. I told him that you referred me to him and he was very complimentary of you. He explained to me how everything works for refferals. I forwarded my quote from Kellyco to him. He told me that I could expect a quote from him today. Great guy to talk with. Makes you wish you lived closer to him just tohang out at his store and absorb all that knowledge.
I get back to you later.
Rodney
 
If we define "recovery time" as the response to two targets in close proximity, then there are two components to recovery time:
* How quickly the tone ID can respond to successive targets.
* How quickly screen updates can respond to successive targets.

I have to be careful about comments on the SE, since I do not use one. Someone else will have to answer the recovery time on the SE.

HH,
Glenn
 
I had 2 difference Expl.11 and they did the same thing, I was using a x5 coil and it just would freeze up in the trash. That is a lot of money to pay for a detector that half way works. I sold them and got a F75 and it DOESN'T freeze up in the trash, very fast and works good. I would love to have a Minelab, but will not get one until they fix this ID where it will go as fast as the tones.
 
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