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DOUBLE GOLD
- Thread starter DWild
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TCAWarriors
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Amazing finds!!! Thanks for sharing them with us. 
UPDATE: Crops are really coming on but I was allowed to work the site again. Probably last chance until fall but I think I have found the actual camp. Moved about a quarter mile to an area on a southern slope close to the water source that is somewhat low and secluded. This entire area is littered with square nails (a good sign) and I switched to two tone ferrous. Found a partial fork, harmonica reed frame, tent stake, buckles, bent kerosene lantern parts, rivets(one with leather), flat buttons, pieces of dropped lead and what appears to be a Union uniform button. Not sure how the Union button got to a Pro-Southern camp. Could possibly be from the Mex-Am war and one of the southern sympathizers wore it because no uniforms had been issued yet. I have tried to check it out on line. It is back marked Waterbury Button Co. and has a single star all on a stippled background. The 1861 to 1865 references I have found show two stars. Any ideas or info on this button would be appreciated. The Union did move on this group but they got word and moved out way ahead of their advance. Maybe they came through the camp afterwords???? I will attach some photos. One shows what looks like a piece of a bell in my hand and I have not identified it yet. I will make a 2nd post with the Union type button photos.
I did check out the original site where the gold coins were with sensitivity cranked and a wide open screen. Picked up a few small ball shots but nothing else.
I have just located another camp by research using some personal civil war diaries and old plat maps. Same Division of the Pro-Southern group but one county over. Believe it or not I happen to know the land owner.I will be contacting him to see if I can check this site. These diaries have also gave me 3 other leads on camp sites. All these camps were in 1861 right at the start of the civil war. These guys probably had money at this early time and none was paper yet. The diaries mention that after 1862 money was in short supply. I need to write a book on all this when I get to the end.
I did check out the original site where the gold coins were with sensitivity cranked and a wide open screen. Picked up a few small ball shots but nothing else.
I have just located another camp by research using some personal civil war diaries and old plat maps. Same Division of the Pro-Southern group but one county over. Believe it or not I happen to know the land owner.I will be contacting him to see if I can check this site. These diaries have also gave me 3 other leads on camp sites. All these camps were in 1861 right at the start of the civil war. These guys probably had money at this early time and none was paper yet. The diaries mention that after 1862 money was in short supply. I need to write a book on all this when I get to the end.
C
calabash digger
Guest
man you killed it has to be the best finds ive seen ! I saw you post in the civil war forum and came over here please dont tell anybody but you got a deus user in the minelab forum whoops! lol congrats on the finds hope you make it a triple.
utahshovelhead
Active member
Those are PURRR T !!!!!!!
Great spot ya got there.
Great spot ya got there.
Great job researching that old CW site. Finding not one but two gold coins at one site has got to be some kind of a record for this here forum.
An 1861 Missouri Confederate encampment site!
Early in the war the Missouri militia was primarily involved in skirmishes and battles. Around 1962 and later, Confederate regulars along with militia fought the Union Army in Missouri.
Pre and early CW, Kansas and Missouri experienced a lot of blood shed; banks robbed, stage coaches robbed, pillaging, plundering, arson, etc. due to jayhawkers and bushwhackers. Think bloody Bill Anderson and Quantrill.
Bushwhackers became quasi Missouri militia Southern sympathizers. Many were later inducted into the Confederate Army as regulars.
Its not only entirely possible but likely the early Missouri militias were paid with stolen coinage from bank and other robberies, etc. which might explain why the gold coins.
Keep in mind, it was unheard in those days for CW regulars to be paid in gold, that is unless there was a lot of gold available say from bank robberies.
You just may have stumbled onto one of Quantrill's encampments right after a bank or stagecoach robbery.
An 1861 Missouri Confederate encampment site!
Early in the war the Missouri militia was primarily involved in skirmishes and battles. Around 1962 and later, Confederate regulars along with militia fought the Union Army in Missouri.
Pre and early CW, Kansas and Missouri experienced a lot of blood shed; banks robbed, stage coaches robbed, pillaging, plundering, arson, etc. due to jayhawkers and bushwhackers. Think bloody Bill Anderson and Quantrill.
Bushwhackers became quasi Missouri militia Southern sympathizers. Many were later inducted into the Confederate Army as regulars.
Its not only entirely possible but likely the early Missouri militias were paid with stolen coinage from bank and other robberies, etc. which might explain why the gold coins.
Keep in mind, it was unheard in those days for CW regulars to be paid in gold, that is unless there was a lot of gold available say from bank robberies.
You just may have stumbled onto one of Quantrill's encampments right after a bank or stagecoach robbery.
This camp was actually a recruiting camp for the Missouri State Guard. In 1861 Govenor Claiborne Jackson disbanded the old Missouri Militia and formed the Missouri State Guard with it's primary purpose to defend the state from invasion by the Union Army. There were nine districts in the state. Numerous camps existed in each district. By October of 1861 following the first battle of Lexington, Mo. most men went home or moved on to join the Confederates. By the end of 1861 Missouri was under Union control.
Many prominent citizens were members of the MSG. I also think most had money at this early time and brought it with them. The diaries I have make reference to money running out in early 1862.
I have never been able to reference how or if these soldiers were paid. It's possible they were paid something by the State when signing up at these recruiting camps.
Many prominent citizens were members of the MSG. I also think most had money at this early time and brought it with them. The diaries I have make reference to money running out in early 1862.
I have never been able to reference how or if these soldiers were paid. It's possible they were paid something by the State when signing up at these recruiting camps.
Sooper Dave
Well-known member
Wow! You doubled up on my dream find! Congrats on two incredible Cvil War gold coins!