Does Electroscopes work?

[REVIER]

.... DLK Lifeguard is the name of the company that makes these, the units they make sell between 7-$14,000.
Despite their claims that they work well, including a few so called professionals quoted in their promotional literature that said they work at an 80-100% success rate, in double blind real scientific testing the actual success rate of finding living animals or human beings behind walls, in buildings or buried in the ground or rubble was proved to be no better than the hit and miss method of just guessing.....

Isn't that the outfit that was making drug and explosive device scanners, that the military of some countries were actually buying ? Like to use at their airports to detect persons trying to board a plain with explosives, drugs, weapons, etc.... (in the same fashion that airport screening TSA does here in the USA, and so forth).

Humorously, even though the units were supposedly take apart, reverse engineered, and debunked, yet ... there were lots of agencies who had bought them, that stood strongly besides them ! They swore up and down that their success rate statistics at catching such contraband, had indeed risen since starting to use those machines !

Ok wise guy, how do you explain their successes then, if the machines don't work ? HHHAARRUuummpphh!

What is wrong with you...really?

No, I don't believe this company is the same one that made those explosive scanners, that is a whole other scamming company.
Why did they swear up and down they worked...simple...
They spent thousands on garbage.
Many people in certain purchasing arms of governments and army's would be pretty embarrassed to be proven stupid so don't let on and maybe nobody will notice.

Show me where I said any of these explosive device sniffers were related to that other company, wise guy, because I didn't.
Once again you are using misdirection, misinformation and obfuscation to prove your ridiculous point.

Since you brought it up, a list of agencies that stood behind those explosive detectors and swore they worked would be nice to have if you have it handy...or did you pull that information out of somewhere else besides where you keep your common sense?
I would love to do a little research to see what those companies actually said.
I recall reading about a few of those other agencies that used them also....the only thing they were standing behind were their lawyers and some future purchase orders that were all cancelled when they figured out how well they actually worked...in real life.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... Even that does not work in a double blind test. lOl

Say it isn't so !! Durned those sun-spots anyhow.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Revier, I think you mis-underestood my "tongue in cheeck" . I was actually AGREEING with you. The comment of "... wise guy" .... was to play the devil's advocate. Because both you and I know that "adherents who stand behind these things" have explanations. And the explanations are easily debunked and don't mean "they work".

If I was confusing LRL maker/device companies: My apologies. The maker you alluded to sounded like another new article link, about one such device that was invented/sold to supposedly detect chemicals, explosives, drugs, weapons, etc... And it was a LRL-looking device where the antenna pointer would supposedly point around the room at the contraband (persons or luggage where the items were present). Countries and various armed forces bought them, and ... swore that they worked (even in spite of the company's products being revealed as bogus)

So if I have confused 2 separate scams, forgive me. And you and I are on the same page when calling all such things snake oil.

 

[REVIER]

Revier, I think you mis-underestood my "tongue in cheeck" . I was actually AGREEING with you. The comment of "... wise guy" .... was to play the devil's advocate. Because both you and I know that "adherents who stand behind these things" have explanations. And the explanations are easily debunked and don't mean "they work".

If I was confusing LRL maker/device companies: My apologies. The maker you alluded to sounded like another new article link, about one such device that was invented/sold to supposedly detect chemicals, explosives, drugs, weapons, etc... And it was a LRL-looking device where the antenna pointer would supposedly point around the room at the contraband (persons or luggage where the items were present). Countries and various armed forces bought them, and ... swore that they worked (even in spite of the company's products being revealed as bogus)

So if I have confused 2 separate scams, forgive me. And you and I are on the same page when calling all such things snake oil.

Sorry then...I misunderstood this time...and I read your reply several times, also.
Mark your calendar...I rarely am incorrect.
Once I thought I was wrong but it turns out I was mistaken, plus....I drink a lot.

Sorry again.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Pheew, glad you understood. Hard to get "wink winks" without the right amount of correctly placed smiley face icons, haha

 

[Carl-NC]

Sidney, here's some late-night reading material for ya. More than you ever wanted to know about Electroscopes, and LRLs in general:

Electroscope Model 20 report

Electroscope Model 301 report

LRL Q&A

Enjoy.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Sidney, here's some late-night reading material for ya. More than you ever wanted to know about Electroscopes, and LRLs in general:

Electroscope Model 20 report

Electroscope Model 301 report

LRL Q&A

Enjoy.

Carl, enjoyed reviewing these "oldies but goodies". Trouble is: they don't overcome the counter debate point of: "It's un-discovered science".

Eg.: Science once thought the earth was flat. And Science once said heavier than air flight was impossible, etc...

Thus all those circuit boards you THINK don't serve any useful function, are simply "undiscovered" science. Besides: How can you argue with the advertisements that how guys posing next to jars of gold coins they found ? Photographs don't lie afterall ! tsk tsk.

 

[GeorgeinSC]

Have you ever heard of Photoshop? Of course they must work we read it on the internet.

 

[hank1]

Great debunking Carl !! Thanks for posting these. Had me laughing too!

 

[slingshot]

I tried my best to believe after reading Karl Von Mueller's booklet, but no success. On the humorous side, about 30 years ago a dealer was demonstrating the Anderson rods and handed me one with a supposed silver load. As I walked and followed I walked to a GOLD ring someone had planted in the branches in a tree- the rod almost touching it when my eyes adjusted to what I was seeing. Everyone laughed and wanted to know what I would find with a gold load.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

The photos of guys posing next to jars of goodies they found, were appearing in treasure magazines as far back as the 1970s. Before the invention of photo-shop.

But let's just cut to the chase: I'll even assume someone then, and now, will truly find some goodie with their magic wand. Hence the photos not faked or staged, nor is anyone lying. Here's how it works:

1) You study enough research to hone down on the probable location where a dude is/was suspected of burying a jar of money. So far so good, right ? Afterall, what's not fair about that ? MD'rs study all the time before heading out, so as to be at the "most likely spot". Hence why is that unfair for the magic wand guys to study and follow similar "leads" ?

2) You wave the magic wand around at enough likely looking spots. Eg.: old foundations, cellar holes, an out of place tree, etc..... With a little subconscious tilting, lo & behold it points at various suspected spots that "stood out" on the landscape.

3) You pull out the metal detector to "pinpoint" (yeah, that's the ticket). Lo & behold , it beeps on various items of metal !! So the magic wand was working !! (never mind that "various items of metal" exist ANYWHERE on earth, especially around old ruins).

4) Let's grant that one of the items the guy finds is indeed a jar of coins (that's what his research/tip lead led him there in the first place afterall).

5) Hence the magic wand found the jar of coins. He poses with it for the magazine ad, and is not in the slightest bit faking anything. In his mind's eyes, the wand did indeed help him find that treasure.

 

[bootyhoundpa]

I imagine the Chinese would make some form of a knockoff of the electrascope but haven't figured out how to make it junkier than it already is... i actually was considering looking into these many years ago .. i figured they would have a shop where a guy could hold one and maybe ask some questions. . they only posted a po box for ordering. .. i did some further research at the time and got some form of a street adress for thomas electronics which turned out to a run down barn ... hmmm..

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ok Carl and everyone: How can you dispute this real life testimonial ? The wand led him right to a gold ring. Certainly you're not going to say slingshot is lying ??

Thus showing that Carl's reverse engineering attempts simply show that they are "un-discovered" science. And the proof (the successes of those using them) is proof enough.

Just as the eventual heavier than air flight hushed up the naysayers, SO TOO do successes like this dis-prove the wand naysayers. SO THERE !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... i actually was considering looking into these many years ago .. ..

I was preparing a trip to Mexico, with a translator host friend of mine, back in the early 1990s. We were going to go down and chase many leads he supposedly had in his native country. So in the weeks leading up to our departure, we pooled our money together and were buying all the necessary travel and detecting gear.

During that preparation time, he brought me a magazine ad of one of these wand devices (perhaps it was the electrascope). He suggested we plunk down the big bucks (out of our common pot pool of money) to buy one. He was quite impressed by the claims of how it worked "a mile" or XXX feet deep, and so forth. And he was also quite taken in by the cool photos depicting the radar waves pointing at jars of money. And the testimonials and pix of guys posing next to their jar. Apparently the culture down there (where he was from) is steeped in the belief of such devices, and he had supposed stories of treasures found with such devices (or dowsing or whatever). Hence he was convinced we needed this for our trip.

How do I answer this type thing? It was 1/2 my money he wanted to spend on it afterall ! I had no real good answer. Because anything I could suggest, would be, in effect, calling the people "liars". And afterall, it was in a reputable magazines that I had given my buddy to read afterall.

 

[vito]

You're the man, Carl.

Sidney, here's some late-night reading material for ya. More than you ever wanted to know about Electroscopes, and LRLs in general:

Electroscope Model 20 report

Electroscope Model 301 report

LRL Q&A

Enjoy.

 

[vito]

Oh man, you do not believe in discworld??
Some misinterpreted and thought that earth was meant, but that is not.
Fact is in Sir Terry Pratchett books he is speaking (writing) about Discworld.
And this is a very informative and diverting lecture.
Reading the books will help to belive in the existing Discworld.
Google for Discworld by Terry Pratchett.

Best regards

Sidney, here's some late-night reading material for ya. More than you ever wanted to know about Electroscopes, and LRLs in general:

Electroscope Model 20 report

Electroscope Model 301 report

LRL Q&A

Enjoy.

Carl, enjoyed reviewing these "oldies but goodies". Trouble is: they don't overcome the counter debate point of: "It's un-discovered science".

Eg.: Science once thought the earth was flat. And Science once said heavier than air flight was impossible, etc...

Thus all those circuit boards you THINK don't serve any useful function, are simply "undiscovered" science. Besides: How can you argue with the advertisements that how guys posing next to jars of gold coins they found ? Photographs don't lie afterall ! tsk tsk.