Deus 2 question regarding frequencies.

[Greg (E.Tn)]

Purchased my first Deus (2) and am a newbie regarding this machine, but not multi-frequency machines.

I have a basic awareness regarding the pluses and minuses regarding running various frequences, i.e. depth, large/small targets, sensitivity to low and high conductors, and so forth.

I have also noticed that many users on this forum run their machine in single frequencies, depending on the environment they are operating in.

The question is, what is the downside to running multi-frequency? And, does running in multi-frequency make the machine more susceptible to EMI, or use more battery power, because it has to devote power to all frequencies at once?

The manual suggests running the machine "on its simultaneous programs as a priority, to make the most of an extended range of frequencies, and thus maintain sensitivity to a wider range of targets.

Thanks in advance for your replies, feedback and experience.

 

[DigDog]

Purchased my first Deus (2) and am a newbie regarding this machine, but not multi-frequency machines.

I have a basic awareness regarding the pluses and minuses regarding running various frequences, i.e. depth, large/small targets, sensitivity to low and high conductors, and so forth.

I have also noticed that many users on this forum run their machine in single frequencies, depending on the environment they are operating in.

The question is, what is the downside to running multi-frequency? And, does running in multi-frequency make the machine more susceptible to EMI, or use more battery power, because it has to devote power to all frequencies at once?

The manual suggests running the machine "on its simultaneous programs as a priority, to make the most of an extended range of frequencies, and thus maintain sensitivity to a wider range of targets.

Thanks in advance for your replies, feedback and experience.

You basically answered your own question.

 

[bigtim1973]

Running smf freq, the benefit is being able to ID more correctly on deeper targets in milder ground and or being able to penetrate deeper in higher mineralization where a single freq unit would struggle.

You can practice this by going back and forth between one of the smf programs such as general and the deus mono program. Or any other smf program compared to the mono one.

The downside to smf use is that it falses in higher iron contaminated areas more due to the edge of the coil passing by iron...or iron halos

Sometimes it is a much smoother running unit while searching in single frequency in high iron infested areas.

Now this is from my own experience using the .71 firmware when I had the deus 2.

Higher frequencies use less battery power than lower frequencies do.

So take a look at the specifics of each program to see what targets they are geared toward. The ones for silver and copper coins will be running a lower spectrum of frequencies compared to the ones configured for mid conductors like brass and or gold.

I personally prefer coinshooting using higher frequencies myself now compared to the traditional lower frequency use while coinshooting.

If it is the battery's running down while you are on an outing that you are worried about, I wouldn't as i never had an xp unit go dead on me during a day of detecting just be sure to always charged everything up the night before the outing.
You do not always have to run in smf programs because single frequency may be the only way to hunt a certain area due to emi conditions.

Anyways, maybe I rambled on a bit here but I hope you can get something of use out of it.

 

[DigDog]

Running smf freq, the benefit is being able to ID more correctly on deeper targets in milder ground and or being able to penetrate deeper in higher mineralization where a single freq unit would struggle.

You can practice this by going back and forth between one of the smf programs such as general and the deus mono program. Or any other smf program compared to the mono one.

The downside to smf use is that it falses in higher iron contaminated areas more due to the edge of the coil passing by iron...or iron halos

Sometimes it is a much smoother running unit while searching in single frequency in high iron infested areas.

Now this is from my own experience using the .71 firmware when I had the deus 2.

Higher frequencies use less battery power than lower frequencies do.

So take a look at the specifics of each program to see what targets they are geared toward. The ones for silver and copper coins will be running a lower spectrum of frequencies compared to the ones configured for mid conductors like brass and or gold.

I personally prefer coinshooting using higher frequencies myself now compared to the traditional lower frequency use while coinshooting.

If it is the battery's running down while you are on an outing that you are worried about, I wouldn't as i never had an xp unit go dead on me during a day of detecting just be sure to always charged everything up the night before the outing.
You do not always have to run in smf programs because single frequency may be the only way to hunt a certain area due to emi conditions.

Anyways, maybe I rambled on a bit here but I hope you can get something of use out of it.

Great info. I am curious myself now as the only thing that pertained to his question is that it falses more in high iron areas. I thought it was the other way around

 

[revzoom]

The iron falsing is reduced to almost nil with the new 1.10 update.

 

[DigDog]

Im not in a high iron area so perhaps i just haven’t noticed

 

[Greg(E.Tn)]

Running smf freq, the benefit is being able to ID more correctly on deeper targets in milder ground and or being able to penetrate deeper in higher mineralization where a single freq unit would struggle.

You can practice this by going back and forth between one of the smf programs such as general and the deus mono program. Or any other smf program compared to the mono one.

The downside to smf use is that it falses in higher iron contaminated areas more due to the edge of the coil passing by iron...or iron halos

Sometimes it is a much smoother running unit while searching in single frequency in high iron infested areas.

Now this is from my own experience using the .71 firmware when I had the deus 2.

Higher frequencies use less battery power than lower frequencies do.

So take a look at the specifics of each program to see what targets they are geared toward. The ones for silver and copper coins will be running a lower spectrum of frequencies compared to the ones configured for mid conductors like brass and or gold.

I personally prefer coinshooting using higher frequencies myself now compared to the traditional lower frequency use while coinshooting.

If it is the battery's running down while you are on an outing that you are worried about, I wouldn't as i never had an xp unit go dead on me during a day of detecting just be sure to always charged everything up the night before the outing.
You do not always have to run in smf programs because single frequency may be the only way to hunt a certain area due to emi conditions.

Anyways, maybe I rambled on a bit here but I hope you can get something of use out of it.

Thank you sir, for your very concise and informative reply. You answered all of my questions perfectly. I appreciate it.

 

[bigtim1973]

Thank you sir, for your very concise and informative reply. You answered all of my questions perfectly. I appreciate it.

You are welcome sir!!

Where in TN are you??

I am in Dickson

 

[bigtim1973]

Great info. I am curious myself now as the only thing that pertained to his question is that it falses more in high iron areas. I thought it was the other way around

No because you have 2 or more frequencies running at once and the filters and processor has to catch up to the signals being fed into it and turn that into a probably vdi.

Alot of times it is just averaging out a number with a lower id such as a coin next to iron.

So with less being processed at one time the system has an easier time giving real time info on any given target in an iron infested area.

Notice false signals are always on the edge of iron but when the coil swings over the iron it id's it better

 

[IDXMonster]

Big Tim has this one “nut shelled” very well. Excellent, the way I understand how things work.
To add…iron falses would be way easier to discern if it weren’t for the piles of nails some of us are attracted to. You can use pinpoint, and on iron it will almost invariably be a couple to several inches off where you think the signal is…but in these extreme conditions all metal pinpoint is all but useless...EVERYTHING is pinpointed! We might never get it perfect, and that’s why we will always, perhaps very slowly, find more good targets.

 

[bigtim1973]

Big Tim has this one “nut shelled” very well. Excellent, the way I understand how things work.
To add…iron falses would be way easier to discern if it weren’t for the piles of nails some of us are attracted to. You can use pinpoint, and on iron it will almost invariably be a couple to several inches off where you think the signal is…but in these extreme conditions all metal pinpoint is all but useless...EVERYTHING is pinpointed! We might never get it perfect, and that’s why we will always, perhaps very slowly, find more good targets.

Well, I am glad that I didn't put my foot in my mouth for a change!!

 

[IDXMonster]

Well, I am glad that I didn't put my foot in my mouth for a change!!

 

[DigDog]

So less accurate target id with multi?

 

[DigDog]

No because you have 2 or more frequencies running at once and the filters and processor has to catch up to the signals being fed into it and turn that into a probably vdi.

Alot of times it is just averaging out a number with a lower id such as a coin next to iron.

So with less being processed at one time the system has an easier time giving real time info on any given target in an iron infested area.

So now im more confused because this contradicts in the first post where you said.
“Running smf freq, the benefit is being able to ID more correctly”
But then you said
“ 2 or more frequencies running at once and the filters and processor has to catch up to the signals being fed into it and turn that into a probably vdi.

Alot of times it is just averaging out a number with a lower id such as a coin next to iron”

Maybe im interpreting it wrong but I understood the second post as 2 or more frequencies is less accurate

 

[bigtim1973]

So now im more confused because this contradicts in the first post where you said.
“Running smf freq, the benefit is being able to ID more correctly”
But then you said
“ 2 or more frequencies running at once and the filters and processor has to catch up to the signals being fed into it and turn that into a probably vdi.

Alot of times it is just averaging out a number with a lower id such as a coin next to iron”

Maybe im interpreting it wrong but I understood the second post as 2 or more frequencies is less accurate

Go back and re read my response.

I said it id's more accurate on deeper targets and runs better in higher mineralization.

No nothing is inaccurate in what the machine is telling you. The unit itself cannot show 2 id's at one time so it has to average out both signals to give you an ID.

Whether the number is correct or not the tone will be more accurate in this situation.

This is in both smf and single freq when targets are right next to each other.

The reason smf falses in iron more is due to it not being able accurately id it until the coil is on top of iron.

This happens in single frequency as well but it is not as prone.

 

[Greg (E.Tn)]

You are welcome sir!!

Where in TN are you??

I am in Dickson

Maryville--East Tennessee.

 

[DigDog]

Maryville--East Tennessee.

Last time i was there my family got robbed just outside Maryville about 20 years ago

 

[Greg(E.Tn)]

I hate to hear that. Maryville is actually a pretty low crime town. Of course, a lot of towns have their bad side of town. The nearby city of Knoxville has a “woke” mayor who has mandated less law enforcement and more mollycoddling of criminals and transients to the point that I’ve pretty much shunned the city, unless I really need services or goods there.

 

[DigDog]

I hate to hear that. Maryville is actually a pretty low crime town. Of course, a lot of towns have their bad side of town. The nearby city of Knoxville has a “woke” mayor who has mandated less law enforcement and more mollycoddling of criminals and transients to the point that I’ve pretty much shunned the city, unless I really need services or goods there.

Vacationing with the wife and kids staying in a cabin nearby some underground caves im sure you are familiar. Got robbed, called the sheriff took him couple hours to get there. Apparently he was the only one and had to come from clear across the county he said. I guess a one man operation.
Beautiful place though

 

[DigDog]

Last time i was there my family got robbed just outside Maryville about 20 years ago

I don’t know that it was necessarily hilarious .
Robbing me is one thing but my wife and kids ages 8-10 is another.
People seemed to know the culprits, a local with older sons who apparently were always in trouble.
Praying on innocent tourists, women and small children is a special kind of sick.
Maybe they don’t like outsiders but the business owners didn’t appreciate it I assume. Got an apology letter from local law enforcement was the extent of everything and a great souvenir to remember