Detecting My Yard With My New To Me Vaquero

[Hombre]

Hi MarkCZ,

.....From your posts, it sounds like you having some fun in your yard with your coin garden. I have a coin garden too, that I planted about 14 years ago, funny thing is they have not grown into a new crop of coins, oh well I have one Buffalo nickel (buried with iron) in my garden that I could not find with my XLT or DFX until I tried it with my wife's Tesoro then it rang out bigtime. You can not beat a good Tesoro in iron, I've seen the videos on the new eastern europe machines and I just grin because I know a Tesoro could do the same thing in iron, only much quieter.

 

[MarkCZ]

Hi MarkCZ,

.....From your posts, it sounds like you having some fun in your yard with your coin garden. I have a coin garden too, that I planted about 14 years ago, funny thing is they have not grown into a new crop of coins, oh well I have one Buffalo nickel (buried with iron) in my garden that I could not find with my XLT or DFX until I tried it with my wife's Tesoro then it rang out bigtime. You can not beat a good Tesoro in iron, I've seen the videos on the new eastern europe machines and I just grin because I know a Tesoro could do the same thing in iron, only much quieter.

The area around each coin was cleaned pretty good with the 1266 in pretty much all metal (that's how I found the meteorite) but boy the rest of the yard has plenty of junk to work around.
My next plan is to go ahead and work the rest of the yard and section it off and do exactly what I've been doing and see how many coins comes out and who knows maybe I'll get lucky and find a little piece of gold jewelry.
The problem after that is if I ever get another detector I'll be down to only Iron targets for testing, well my coin gardens LoL.

Mark

 

[MarkCZ]

Ron, I dont believe in air tests. I dont feel they are representative of whats happening in the ground. An old nail in the ground for many years builds up a rust halo and I think thats why it plays so much hell with the V. I dont seem to be the only one with this problem, thats why I am having trouble understanding why Marks is disc-ing them out, unless they just arent old.

I think what my brother Ron was saying is to try some simple air test to make sure the detector's discrimination is in fact working correctly. That would at lest rule that out, in other words, if you haven't air tested it on some of those square nails then you don't know if its even doing that right. If it doesn't disc out iron in an air test, then it for sure isn't going to be able to with them rusted and in the ground.

But, Ron and I both know that in the ground isn't the same as in the air. So, we're not saying if it disc out in the air then you know it will in the ground, but we are saying that if it can't in the air then it for sure can't in the ground. If it don't act right in the air then you would for sure want to contact the company and see if something needs to be done with the detector (repair or other).

Mark

 

[BillF]

Yea Mark, I think I knew what Ron was meaning. I didn't mean to come across as flippant about it.
As far as my detectors discrimination, I called and talked to Rusty at Tesoro. He told me old nails are hard to knock out. The V does give some subtle tone changes and I probably need to learn these on nails.
I will say this, most of the wheats I got this weekend that did not give me a good signal had a small nail in the same hole or close to it. I guess that means the V was trying to disc it out, but still trying to hit the coin. I think that's kind of impressive. Now it makes me wonder some if the nails I just couldn't disc out might have had another target in the hole that I flipped on edge and didn't get on a resweep.


[quote=MarkCZ]

Ron, I dont believe in air tests. I dont feel. they are representative of whats happening in the ground. An old nail in the ground for many years builds up a rust halo and I think thats why it plays so much hell with the V. I dont seem to be the only one with this problem, thats why I am having trouble understanding why Marks is disc-ing them out, unless they just arent old.

I think what my brother Ron was saying is to try some simple air test to make sure the detector's discrimination is in fact working correctly. That would at lest rule that out, in other words, if you haven't air tested it on some of those square nails then you don't know if its even doing that right. If it doesn't disc out iron in an air test, then it for sure isn't going to be able to with them rusted and in the ground.

But, Ron and I both know that in the ground isn't the same as in the air. So, we're not saying if it disc out in the air then you know it will in the ground, but we are saying that if it can't in the air then it for sure can't in the ground. If it don't act right in the air then you would for sure want to contact the company and see if something needs to be done with the detector (repair or other).

Mark[/quote]

 

[WV62]

Ron, I dont believe in air tests. I dont feel they are representative of whats happening in the ground. An old nail in the ground for many years builds up a rust halo and I think thats why it plays so much hell with the V. I dont seem to be the only one with this problem, thats why I am having trouble understanding why Marks is disc-ing them out, unless they just arent old.

I think what my brother Ron was saying is to try some simple air test to make sure the detector's discrimination is in fact working correctly. That would at lest rule that out, in other words, if you haven't air tested it on some of those square nails then you don't know if its even doing that right. If it doesn't disc out iron in an air test, then it for sure isn't going to be able to with them rusted and in the ground.

But, Ron and I both know that in the ground isn't the same as in the air. So, we're not saying if it disc out in the air then you know it will in the ground, but we are saying that if it can't in the air then it for sure can't in the ground. If it don't act right in the air then you would for sure want to contact the company and see if something needs to be done with the detector (repair or other).

Mark

Right on brother Mark, you know me well, can't help myself, you hit the nail right on the head a little pun intended

Thanks Brother Ron

 

[SpiritRelic]

One with a Tejon and one with a vaquero.This could get interesting.And in the hills of West Virginia too.Can't wait to see how this turns out.

 

[MarkCZ]

Mark, I'm still playing with this machine. Every time I get a good target, I play with the controls. When I feel confident that I am getting good targets at 6-7 inches or more NOT supertuned I'll dial things back, but even before I was running supertuned I was getting square nails at 7-8 inches that would not start to break up until almost maximum disc. I know this is hitting nice stuff now, maybe this winter I'll send it in to be checked, until then I just keep swinging.
I have kind of been avoiding our old parks because everything has been hit so hard, maybe I should get back out there and try again to see how deep the V will go.
Maybe you posted this before, but how old is your test garden?

A square rusty nail @ 7"-8" that's a little deeper than I'm trying to jewelry hunt.
One thing I've found out about all the detectors I've had is that any time a target lands in the extremity of the detection field its ability to ID, or properly discriminate gets iffy??
Many machines at the extremes of there detection field really act more like all metal machines. I had a tech from Whites tell me that some of the Fisher models are only discrimination units down so for and at that point they are all metal?? (I can't prove that)
You did say your Vaquero loves really deep iron.

About everything in my yard is LESS than 7" except my 8" coin garden.
If I had had square rusty nails @ 8" plus and was trying to coin hunt that deep I'm betting I would have the same problem. I'm thinking that with the minerals in your soil, the nails that rusty and that large and your nearing the extremity of the units detection field is why your having the trouble you are.

Mark

 

[MarkCZ]

One with a Tejon and one with a vaquero.This could get interesting.And in the hills of West Virginia too.Can't wait to see how this turns out.

LoL, and we should be able to hunt together with them , the Tejon runs @ 17kHZ and the Vaquero is in the 14KHZ range (well run them pretty close to each other anyway)

The,
Cowboy and the Badger!


Mark

 

[tvr]

Picture is a brand new square nail also known as a cut nail. They were the standard nail many years ago. For some reason they are harder to discriminate out than a modern iron nail of the same size. Zinc or cadmium coated nails can identify as foil too. With my Cibola not super tuned, those square nails will still click or come through very scratchy. Start super tuning and they sound even better. Would expect the Vaquero to be the same.

Box says tone mod ... probably a high tone unit. One of these years I will try a high tone.
tvr

 

[WV62]

One with a Tejon and one with a vaquero.This could get interesting.And in the hills of West Virginia too.Can't wait to see how this turns out.

LoL, and we should be able to hunt together with them , the Tejon runs @ 17kHZ and the Vaquero is in the 14KHZ range (well run them pretty close to each other anyway)

The,
Cowboy and the Badger!


Mark

Same here LOL, I love it.

Ron in WV

 

[WV62]

Picture is a brand new square nail also known as a cut nail. They were the standard nail many years ago. For some reason they are harder to discriminate out than a modern iron nail of the same size. Zinc or cadmium coated nails can identify as foil too. With my Cibola not super tuned, those square nails will still click or come through very scratchy. Start super tuning and they sound even better. Would expect the Vaquero to be the same.

Box says tone mod ... probably a high tone unit. One of these years I will try a high tone.
tvr

I am a long way from being a nail guy, but I have some nails that look a lot like your picture and I was told they are for like driving in concrete or stone. So my guess is they loaded with a lot of alloys.

I also have heard they are horse shoe nail, or a horse shoe nail looks something like that.

I have a jar full of these things that I never use for anything. Maybe they would be good to add to my test garden.

One of the Tesoro Brothers

 

[SpiritRelic]

If my disc is set right below a nickel on the Tejon and out in the woods relic hunting i get a small tick signal on a cut square nail.I can tell something is there,scratchy.I hit the all metal button and dig them up to check it out.Some say the high tone does better for them with iron.With the Tejon a few days ago i dug a air rifle pellet! I am amazed at the small stuff i have been getting with the Tejon.I would like to have another vaquero just because i like that detector so much.I think i would just get low tone,not sure?Tesoro's are liked by jewelry hunters. :-$

 

[tvr]

but I have some nails that look a lot like your picture and I was told they are for like driving in concrete or stone. So my guess is they loaded with a lot of alloys.

I also have heard they are horse shoe nail, or a horse shoe nail looks something like that.

The nails made for concrete or stone are hardened steel and frequently plated with cadmium.

When I lived next to a farrier, we would get talking while leaning on the fence. For most of the work he did the shoe nails were about 2 inches long and they do look a lot like the picture of a cut nail above; but are fairly narrow.

When I was in high school, I had a summer job where I helped rip the old wooden shingles off an old barn and put up an asphalt shingle roof. The cut nails holding the old roof shingles to the roof boards were about 3 inches long and the cut nails holding the roof boards to the trusses were about 4 inches long. Off that all came and up went plywood, tar paper felt and shingles. I'm sure there are still hundreds of those old nails in the ground along the perimeter of the barn. I'd kind of guess all the roofing nails that held the roof I put up have been stripped off by now too since that was a little over 40 years ago and they were 20 year shingles. I don't plan on going back there and metal detecting any time soon!
Cheers,
tvr

 

[Dtektor]

Remember, that "Iron" and "Steel" are different metals so I run my V at the last mark before the 5 cent notch, still pick up lots of steel stuff but not iron stuff! Also pick up up coins there!

 

[Tee1up]

Every day I check the markets to see where bottle caps are going.
These babies ever jump 40 points, I am in clover.

 

[TNTRequired]

BOOOM BABY!

 

[JimGilmore]

Hmmmm if it is magnetic it has Iron in it ...

 

[MarkCZ]

Hmmmm if it is magnetic it has Iron in it ...

I'm thinking the difference my be Cast Iron, and steel.

Mark

 

[knarfj]

Every day I check the markets to see where bottle caps are going.
These babies ever jump 40 points, I am in clover.

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