Detecting "exercise" was eye-opening...now what?

[Jason in Enid]

Man....sure seems like a sketchy feature!

No, it's a "last ditch" feature. As in the ground mineralization is so bad that you can't hunt, so you try to GB as a last ditch attempt to hunt the site. It was never meant to be used in vast majority of locations. the FBS circuit does not see ground minerals the way a VLF does.

 

[amberjack]

interesting discussion and I commend anyone who paid all that money for a ctx to listen to it make all those noises at 30 sens if I run 30 in any emi (city) park I am missing stuff for the simple reason I stop listening I do not want to learn emi jibber jabber on a detector I paid near 3K for I have other detectors for that.

reality is we are all different and when I hunt with my top dog I want peace

so my hat is off to you 30 runners and I wish you all the successes in the world you earned it

seriously though if its just plan depth you want there are better detectors out there than the CTX for that.

AJ

 

[trojdor]

seriously though if its just plan depth you want there are better detectors out there than the CTX for that.

AJ

I'm having trouble finding any as deep...let alone deeper...than my CTX.
(I've got a precious few that are just barely at the same depth limits.)

Do you have any suggestions?


mike

 

[trojdor]

I do not want to learn emi jibber jabber on a detector....
AJ

AJ,
I absolutely love your term 'emi jibber jabber'.

I'm definitely going to use it in the future when discussing emi noise/signals.

I've got a spot that has one particular neighborhood motorcyclist drive by...has some kind of aftermarket multiple discharge ignition system installed that drives the CTX bonkers if he's within an eighth of a mile.
Definitely causes 'emi jibber jabber'. It's like R2D2 on bad drugs/crack.
I just have to stop detecting until he's out of range. No amount of noise cancel helps...the noise source is far too broadband.

Take care down there, my friend...hope your winter is mild.

mike

 

[amberjack]

I do not want to learn emi jibber jabber on a detector....
AJ

AJ,
I absolutely love your term 'emi jibber jabber'.

I'm definitely going to use it in the future when discussing emi noise/signals.

I've got a spot that has one particular neighborhood motorcyclist drive by...has some kind of aftermarket multiple discharge ignition system installed that drives the CTX bonkers if he's within an eighth of a mile.
Definitely causes 'emi jibber jabber'. It's like R2D2 on bad drugs/crack.
I just have to stop detecting until he's out of range. No amount of noise cancel helps...the noise source is far too broadband.

Take care down there, my friend...hope your winter is mild.

mike

Mike

I had a xterra was deepest machine I have owned with a NEL 12x13 deeper than the CTX in mild ground- and those guys with the Fishers 1266X etc recon they are deep too , blisstool also a beast from all reports.

in fact a Whites MX5 I have is deep too as it detects in both disc & AM channels can hear the AM channel kick in on deep coins quite impressed with it for the money a real sleeper.

my point is I guess I didn't by the CTX ( and yes please use it ) to listen to emi jibber jabber I bought it to have fun detecting jibber jabber free me and my mate have had some well nice debates about auto+3 and manual I said you go for it manual man I am jibber jabber free here and loving it

so I understand people wanting to run flat out I really do but no one touches my CTX except me and so its good to read what others are doing and I like discussions sometimes I want to learn something and sometimes I want to learn I am happy where I am

yeah not the best winter but its not snowing so cant complain to much I guess

wow that's some fancy ignition system I worry you know if we could see all the stuff in the air electronic signals going everywhere maybe we would be reaching for tin foil hats its amazing anything works really.

hope your finding some nice goodies

AJ

 

[ChrisMD]

I have a CTX, and just traded an Etrac for the F75 LTD2. In my Maryland soil the F75 is deeper, by a long shot. Last hunt took both out and marked targets with the F75 with surveyor flags, then checked them with the CTX. A lot of them were 12" + down and the CTX just flat out didn't see it, even wide open in manual 30. One was a Great Seal cufflink at 14", tiny little button and was amazed that the F75 got it, as were several members of my local MD club. CTX is still my main squeeze, but the F75 made me a believer.

seriously though if its just plan depth you want there are better detectors out there than the CTX for that.

AJ

I'm having trouble finding any as deep...let alone deeper...than my CTX.
(I've got a precious few that are just barely at the same depth limits.)

Do you have any suggestions?


mike

 

[bklein]

Curious if you tried with and without the WM10.
Did you notice any difference in manually set NC channels? I think I found C-11 the most open. Try there and ignore the EMI for the test.
I found settings don't always "take" immediately - you might have to wait 30 seconds or so. Maybe wave across some known stronger targets to get things set up the same.
I don't know if results would be any different but what if you set a discrimination mask all around the dime in an open air test and then try the soil test again?
For me, at the beach, depth on a dime is great if you know it is a dime. If it is just a target it means you are digging way more trash and not the things you want (like a PI would do).
Lately for me IDs seem to have become less reliable. Might be iron content in the sand (I do see Auto+3 go to low teens and I normally run manual 27 or higher if I can). Might explain why some days you run wide open and just find pennies and other days you have to run with less and just get nickles and quarters.

 

[trojdor]

I have a CTX, and just traded an Etrac for the F75 LTD2. In my Maryland soil the F75 is deeper, by a long shot. Last hunt took both out and marked targets with the F75 with surveyor flags, then checked them with the CTX. A lot of them were 12" + down and the CTX just flat out didn't see it, even wide open in manual 30. One was a Great Seal cufflink at 14", tiny little button and was amazed that the F75 got it, as were several members of my local MD club. CTX is still my main squeeze, but the F75 made me a believer.

Chris,

Thanks for the suggestion...alas, I've already tried the F75, but our severe mineralization pretty much cuts most single freq VLF detectors off at the knees, and the 13k F75 is no exception.
Don't get me wrong, it still compares very, very well with the others...it just doesn't cut through mineralization as well as the multi-freqs like the CZs and CTX.
I'd definitely go for it if I were in your ground though. (I do like the ergonomics a lot.)

BTW, what seems to work well in our ground (in addition to the multi-freqs) are the lower freq machines, and the Deus running at the lower freqs.
I'm not sure most would be capable of seeing a small cufflink at 14" in our ground, though...I'm jealous.
(Well, in all fairness, my TDI PI probably would...but with almost no discrim, I'd be worn out from all the trash.)

It's why I constantly remind people to make a coin garden and test detectors and settings in their ground.
What works beautifully in one part of the world, might work horribly in another.

Thanks again, and best of luck.
HH,
mike

 

[trojdor]

Curious if you tried with and without the WM10.
Did you notice any difference in manually set NC channels? I think I found C-11 the most open. Try there and ignore the EMI for the test.

To answer the last question first, I haven't noticed any difference in any of the NC channels for broadband ignition EMI noise.

But to get back to your first question...I have not tried without the WM10 yet...and I think it's an excellent idea...worthy of testing.
I'll plug in directly, and go back to the 'ignition noise' area to test this evening.

Thanks for the idea...

mike

 

[amberjack]

that was my next suggestion a low freq detector even a xterra at 3khz smile if you will but worth a try. even a Fisher 1280-X or detectorpro

maybe that's why I get good auto+3 I do not use the wm10 useless thing , I bought a deteknix wireless never used that either


AJ

 

[Johnnyanglo]

Here's a chart (not my test) I made of some detectors that in the test worked better for depth in mineralized soils. The CTX depth capability improves against VLF detectors as the soil mineral concentration gets worse. In other words, the CTX beats other detectors the most in bad soil.

Under average soil minerals the CTX falls a bit behind of some others.

Johnnyanglo

 

[GKMan]

Interesting. I have seen the Blisstool put up against a CTX in highly mineralized soil. I could not get my CTX to make a peep compared to the Blisstool hearing the target just fine.

 

[metalpopper]

Hi there T..!

Simple request....Please will you take the time to make a list of your test coins.....(including DATES...so that we be aware of their conductive elements and dimensions)

Also the machine's MANUAL SENS. (lets use 20)....and a CLEAN screen.

Now go outside..away from EMI....and do some sensible IN-AIR tests.....noting each coin's range for a CONSISTENT / REPEATABLE AUDIO.

Note the average distance you achieve.

Then please post your results.........

(can we assume you're using the stock coil?)

Matt