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Depth Question.

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Happy_Hour

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The Battle of Newtown (August 29, 1779), also known as the Battle of Chemung, was the only major battle of the Sullivan Expedition, an armed offensive led by General John Sullivan that was ordered by the Continental Congress to end the threat of the Iroquois who had sided with the British in the American Revolutionary War. John Butler and Joseph Brant did not want to make a stand at Newtown, but proposed instead to harass the enemy on the march, but they were overruled by Sayenqueraghta and other Indian chiefs.

This battle, which was the most significant military engagement of the Sullivan Campaign of 1779 and played a crucial role in America's Revolutionary War,[2] took place at the foot of a hill along the Chemung River just outside of what is now Elmira, New York.

My question:
I have received permission to hunt a 131 acre farming track bording this Historic Site which is on private land which has been in their family for over 150 years. In early may of 2014 when the land is plowed and ready for planting, I have been given { 7 Days Only } to search. This will be my only and last time to be able to search..

I have been told that no one has ever detected this land before and how I received permission, a knock on the door.. The only draw back to this, the land owner will be with me the entire time and what I find, he either keeps or I keep.....

I want to know, what detector on the market has the punching power to get the best depth......[ No Minelab Please, I do not want to walk the baby walk ] Time is against me on this one...Soil condition would be mild...
 
Second to Minelabs in depth, in my opinion, would be the White's V3i. Even though the White's line is a faster swing detector, you still have to go slow to get maximum depth. There is no detector that I know of that you can swing fast and get maximum depth.
 
What you are about to do is a once in a life time dig....I have the Sierra Madre, first one, and it will hit a musketball in mild ground at 18 inches....This machine can be swung slow or like the XL Pro speed and still find the goods at greath depth.....Has no driscrimation and this machine is a souped up TR unit in which every hit should be dug....Where you will be detecting, you had better dig everything....
 
Easily one of the deepest and most affordable metal detectors from White's Electronics, the Sierra Madre does not use any type of filtered discrimination. This allows all the power to go directly to the 9.5" search coil that comes standard with each machine, or the 15" coil you can upgrade to later for even more depth! Fully automatic ground balancing, low and high output modes, and a pinpointing trigger are just a few of the features this deep-seeking metal detector features. And with functions clearly marked in both English and Spanish languages, this detector is easy to use despite its powerful technology!
 
Good luck on your hunt.
Please post pics of your finds.
I'm sure the owner will get bored and leave you to yourself.
 
OK, so you got 7 days to hunt it...and you have time to come up with a strategy based upon the topography and your research of the property..131 acres is a big place, so I suppose it could be a plan to hit the promising looking high ground ridges first..you know, where guys would camp or travel through the saddles or stand watch? Most targets there could be fairly shallow...so you theoretically could sweep fast with just about any unit you are comfortable with to try to find the lay of the ancient humans usage of the land? All S-SE exposures on high ground make good places to set up a camp...anywhere near water or shelter from the prevailing wind?..
Surely you will find some sort of spot where there are old cut nails or some sort of old metal where a house or barn once stood? You might not need to wade around in an open plowed field at all or much at all anyway.

I would think if there is high ridges, you will also find modern or fairly modern shotgun shell bases, and the guy following you around should get bored with those pretty fast and leave you alone like benzoflex said.
Once you find where what you think older period stuff is located, you could bring in the heavy artillery and work it for Old Glory, or keep skimming and see what you can get in the top 10" of dirt...
Very cool opportunity! :thumbup:
Mud
 
I would definitely dig everything. So with that said, i wouldn't overlook a Tesoro "Vaquero or Tejon" with a LARGE coil, they are fast, light, and will go deep. I really like my whites, but it gets heavy pretty quick for me and reduces my hunting time. GL HH
 
Wow what an opportunity!! :clapping: Hopefully after the owner gets "the bug" he will allow you more time but regardless Im sure you will have a blast. I think I would agree on the Tejon or Vaquero all that swinging calls for a light detector with nice depth. It would be tragic if you got exhausted on a heavier machine and couldnt hunt to your full potential. Good luck and I look forward to hearing what you find.
 
fast response and deep. One shot deal this detector will produce well for you..
 
I'll post one more time to this post to try to offer an opinion. I think the first texas products is the fastest detectors i have used. and deep enough. But their stability at high settings have not been very good for me. So it might be important to find out what type of ground you are hunting on. Again if you are short on time, Tesoro Vaquero and large coil would be where i would go. GL HH
 
When i first read your post, i thought WOW! what a great opportunity. Since i am a relic hunter, i thought if you need any help just let me know:rofl: I would buy a plain ticket to New York and rent a room for a week to hunt a place like that:cheers: But you said the land owner will take the finds he wants.. That sucks... Then i say let him find them:tongue::tongue::tongue:
 
Take an extra detector with ya, if you have one. Ya never know, you might give him the MD bug have a best friend for life!!:cheers:
 
happy hour, what do you mean by this statement:

"... No Minelab Please, I do not want to walk the baby walk ..."

Huh? "baby walk" ?

I think the best machine for your purposes would be an explorer. Because you are saying time-is-of-the-essence, so you have to factor more than just raw depth into it. If targets are prolific (ie.: target separation issues are not an issue), then you may actually get to a point where you may want to use the tones of a full-tone-ID machine to start to pick and choose what signals to chase. For example: I hunted with a guy using a T2 at a site which was prolific with targets, and where time was limited. While on the one-hand he no doubt had ample depth, and greater ability in iron. Yet because he lacked tell-tale TID's, he ended up forced to dig a lot of nuisance little flitty stuff, couldn't tell shot-gun butts from other targets, etc.... So while our target counts of conductors in general were about the same, yet I spanked him 3 to 1 on coin/button types of targets.

So it all depends on if you have time to strip-mine every last signal out or not (which it appears you don't have that kind of time). Hence I would use an Explorer. Be sure to practice in a modern turfed park where clad is prolific. Sand boxes and so forth, for an entire week ahead of time. Because the tooty-fluty toons take some getting used to :)
 
I don't have any of the detectors mentioned however my Cibola is supposed to be almost as deep as the Vaquero it getting the nod only because of the manual gb from what I understand, just got the 13" Ultimate coil for my Omega so not sure how deep its going to end up going, however you haven't said how much money your wanting to spend and not that you know but how mineralized the soil is so its possible that you will need a detector with a DD coil instead of a concentric or to really be able to find anything you might have to go with a PI detector and dig everything. Just my 2c.
 
you need only one detector that you well know. If you have experience with Minelab, Explorer or Etrac would be best, firstly because you can separate Iron form the rest targets by sounds, this is very important to found biggest concentration of iron in the field, where is iron where is finds. Good luck
 
Tom_in_CA said:
happy hour, what do you mean by this statement:

"... No Minelab Please, I do not want to walk the baby walk ..."

Huh? "baby walk" ?

I think the best machine for your purposes would be an explorer. Because you are saying time-is-of-the-essence, so you have to factor more than just raw depth into it. If targets are prolific (ie.: target separation issues are not an issue), then you may actually get to a point where you may want to use the tones of a full-tone-ID machine to start to pick and choose what signals to chase. For example: I hunted with a guy using a T2 at a site which was prolific with targets, and where time was limited. While on the one-hand he no doubt had ample depth, and greater ability in iron. Yet because he lacked tell-tale TID's, he ended up forced to dig a lot of nuisance little flitty stuff, couldn't tell shot-gun butts from other targets, etc.... So while our target counts of conductors in general were about the same, yet I spanked him 3 to 1 on coin/button types of targets.

So it all depends on if you have time to strip-mine every last signal out or not (which it appears you don't have that kind of time). Hence I would use an Explorer. Be sure to practice in a modern turfed park where clad is prolific. Sand boxes and so forth, for an entire week ahead of time. Because the tooty-fluty toons take some getting used to :)
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I agree if you have everyday for the rest of your life to search this property with a TID sledge hammer on your arm.. You have seven days, go light, deep and dig everything! GL HH
 
Given the situation I'd go with either the White's V3i or the F75/T2. If I ever had plans to use the detector other than relic hunting I'd go with the V3i. The E-Trac would be a great choice in not for the fact the field has been freshly plowed.
 
Hi,
If I had to search 7 long days in a row, my first consideration would be the weight of the detector/coil combo for which I would even sacrifice a couple of inches in depth.
Probably hip or chest mount the control box/power supply and just swing a carbon fibre rod with a light big coil like a Bigfoot or similar.
Regardless of what you do, you will definitely get to know/feel one part of your body quite well - known as the rotator cup.
Good luck and may you have good weather
skookum
 
If i were the OP'er, knowing what i know now, my first and only choice would be an eTRAC with a NEL Tornado coil if the iron density isn't that bad.

My record silver dime depth with that combo was 14+ inches deep. You just might have to do the 'baby walk' to get those deep oldies.
 
in my humble opinion, any bounty hunter of any size is good down to 20 inches or so. im using a smaller kids version of tracker and it has good tone for the money..ive detected bullets at 24 inches, .. beyond two feet is excavating and you need a backhoe for cannon balls.. good luck....
 
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