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Depth difference

Wanted to know if there is any difference in depth between the 1500, 2500, and 1350. I'm new to Garrett, and don't know much about them. Thanks.
 
1500 and 1350 are the same machine aside from profiling and imaging. The 2500 has the edge on depth but depth isn't everything and no detector purchase should be based soley on alleged depth.

Bill
 
Most of the good coins and jewelry are in the top 6 inches, and that's where Garretts' sizing, imaging, ID, depth readout etc. work the best.
 
Hey Shenandoah,

I hae hunted with the GTI 1500 and my best friend has the 2500. This is our third year using the machines. I would say that we both find coins at the same depth. If anything, I probably find deeper coins more consistently with my 1500 than he does with his 2500.

However, is you are thinking about purchasing a new detector and are going to spend that kind of money (i.e. around $1,000) than I would advise getting a different machine. We hunt with two other guys. The one uses a Minelab Explorer. The other uses a White's DFX, but recently purchased got the Explorer II, Minelabs newest model. They find deep targets. Like 12 inches deep. I am not full of crap either. 6 or 7 inches is about max for dimes and quarters with our Garretts.

If you have anymore questions....

Email me at deerfearme21@aol.com

I can answer a lot of your questions about different machines.
 
You are right. Most coins and jewelry are in the top 6 inches. But that is only because there is more people now (higher popualtion) and more coins lost and more coins minted than ever before.

The kind of plcaes I hunt...depth is a lot. Let me first say that I hunt for coins as do the 3 other guys that I hunt with. Well, one them does a lot of beach hunting and water beeping too, but primarily we hunt for coins.

Garret's treasure imaging is great, but far from perfect. I'll tell you this, it has helped me in a lot of areas, but take it to a place where there is all kinds of B-sized targets made of old crappy metal and you will find that its no picnic. We have a fairgrounds in my town that has an old demo derby track, well actually its still in use, but the grade the area a few times a year, and move a little of the dirt around. Spend an hour in there and you will get a headache, because its harder than a rock to dig in most of the time and over half the metal in their gives you a belltone. I have found items as big as pop cans that were at 3 or 4 inches that told me it was a B-sized target. Have of the items you dig in there are bigger than a silver dollar. Some times it overloads (gives that constant buzzing sound) so I know not to dig them. However, I am telling you that this place is nightmare.

However, we hunt primarily old fairgrounds, schools, houses, and of course any downtown constuction going on. Anyway, most of the older coins are deep in these places. Garrett's treasure imaging is a sweet feature and I can't imagine some of the trash that I haven't dug over the past few years. Probably a ton of trash that I have not dug. However, the other guys I hunt with don't dig anymore trash than I do and they don't have treasure imaging. They mark trace the target with there pinpoint and it seems to work out just fine. The difference is that they get more consistent readings reported to their detectors, regardless of depth. I couldn't count the pull tabs I have dug at these old fairgrounds. I have only dug a handful at shallow depths (3" or less), but I have dug close to 200 this year already at depths ranging from 5-7". They were reported to me as a B-Sized target (and yes I was directly over top of it) and rang high. From a copper penny to a quarter. Some even higher. Rick (DFX user and Minelab now) and Jim (Explorer user) don't ever dig pulltabs.

They get a nickel reading at 6 inches and half the time its a nickel, which is good considering nickels are toguher to find than pennies, dimes, quarters, etc. The same thing at inches or less. There machines report more accurately than mine or Jon's (GTI 2500 user). Of course from 4 inches and less there isn't a real big difference in these machines accuracy, but once you start getting into deeper signals those guys are finding coins that don't even register on either of our machinces. If they do...they give some crazy trashy signal.

also, we hunted an old fairgrounds a few weeks ago and I found a silver war nickel, a liberty nickel, and two buffalos with the 1500. All of them were about 5-7 inches deep. By far that is the best day I have ever had in my life finding old nickels in one day. However, the only reason I dug them was because they came up between an Indianhead (1-2 notches lower than a zinc penny) and a dime. They popped off all crazy. I knew they were deep so I dug them. It was crazy, but still lucky. They were about the last coins that I was expecting to dig there.

You are right that a machine should not be purchased solely on depth, but I'll tell you what. The next macine I buy will be a Minelab Explorer II strictly for depth. These guys are finding coins literally twice as deep as I am. I was a huge critic and thought everyone was full of crap when they said they dug such and such a coin at 10 or 12 inches. Until...I have seen it done over the past year with the minelab explorer. I'll give you a story. We have this other old fairgrounds near us. This year we have been there 6 times. Jim ahd found over 30 silver coins, over 200 wheats and other goodies, all at least 6 inches deep. I found the nickels, maybe 20 wheats, and a Silver quarter all in the 5-7" range. Rick found nothing with his DFX cause they were all deep. He bought an Explorer II. His first time out he found 2 silvers, 22 wheats, and a buffalo. And he went there 6 times this year and found nothing deep. Depth matters to us in places that have been hunted hard or where the coins are deep. The thing is...we have only found 2 barbers out of all of these silvers. They are mostly Rosies and Mercs. My question is why the hell are they so deep at this place? And where are all the Barbers and Seated Coins? This place dates back to 1877. There is no way that someone else found them and left all the other silver coins. So you know they are even deeper and unless ground is moved around they probably won't ever be found.

My point is that every detector should be purchased according to what you are hunting. Garrett is easy to use, not too expensive when compared to some others, and it does have the treasure imaging. However, when I see what these guys find on a consistent basis with their explorers compared to Jon and I with our Garrett's...it would make you cry. That is all I am saying.
 
Not to mention the fact that Garrett's imaging is great but they only have like two or three coils that actually have target imaging. Most of their coils don't even have the feature and target imaging is the greastest asset that machine has.
 
Deerhunter,

Re. the "trashy" racetrack location you mention, sounds like you need to go with the sniper coil. I've used my 1500 and when I hit a bunch of trash pulled out my Ace 250 with the sniper coil on it and started picking out the coins. Of course, the sniper is going to limit you on depth to prob. 4 inches.

Are you inferring that the Minelab can sort through the trash better with the standard size coil?

Mike
 
No detector is 100% for the job. Heck, any machine with small bits of metal lying around would be a real challenge to get any kind of stable ID. I don't like the Minelabs because they don't pick up clad. I can't imagine a whole year of finds less 4-5 hundred dollars. But, I have my own niche for hunting and Garrett has provided me with good technology to find countless coins, jewellry and relics. I also use specific machines and coils for specific types of hunts.

Aint it a great hobby! :thumbup:
 
Actually, Jim found over 600 dollars over each of the last 3 years with his Explorer I. So I guess its hard to say that it isn't a clad machine as well. I hear that it isn't as great at pinpointing targets at 1 or 2 inches, but these guys have that Sun Ray pinpointer for the Explorer.

I'll give you an example. Early last year, we hit a school in Michigan that hadn't been hit in some time. We were in a section no bigger than half of a football field. Jim found 260 some coins. Rick, using a DFX, found about 180, and I found 107 coins. This was in about 6 or 7 hours. Granted, I only dug about 20 pennies and Jim dug 100, but he still dug over 60 nickels. In fact that was the best day digging nickels that he ever had. We went back a week later and Jim and Rick both found over 100 coins and I found about 70. After that the pickings were pretty slim, but you can't tell me that the minelab isn't a clad diggin machine. I have never, not once, found the most coins in a trip when us three go out beepin. In fact, I usually finish last. However, they have both been searching for 20-25 years each, but I am still 30 years younger than them. Jim in 58 years old!!!! An he digs 260+ coins in 8 hours? To me that is amazing. I know it has a lot to do with experience, but if the Garrett was that awesome, I'd be digging 200 coins a day.

I have no doubt that there are many people better than me who use the same machine, but there are also people a lot better with the Explorer and DFX than the guys I hunt with. So then you tell yourself that there must also be quite a difference in Machines.

Chuck
 
What I am telling you about the race track has nothing to do with it being trashy in the sense that there are many targets all over the place. My point in calling it trashy is that there is simply a lot of trash throughout. It's not that there is a lot of targets underneath the coil with each and every sweep...I'm just saying that for some reason the trash in there sounds good. I mean that you will get fooled by the belltone and the size imagine. I'm telling you that 1 out of every 8 or 10 targets that you dig in there is going to be a coin.

As far as the Minelab and or DFX. I would say that they work about the same in this one particular place. It's just a place where you get lucky, but you have to dig lots of junk. The other machines perform no better in this demo track than a GTI, but I would say that they get better seperation in some other areas that we hunt.

My friend Jon (GTI 2500 user) and I were in there earlier this year. He pulled 25 coins out. 20 were clad. He got 2 wheats, a Standing Liberty Quarter, and two Indianheads. We probably dug 100 holes a piece. I found 6 coins. All clad.

A week later we went in there and dug about 40 holes and found 20 coins. A buffalo nickel, a wheat penny, and 3 indians inclded. Jon probably dug 40 or 50 holes and found 2 coins...both zinc pennies.

This place will drive you nuts, but you know you have to look in there on occasion because it yields good coins. I don't care who you are, what experience you have, or what detector you are using!!! If you search in this place you will dig lots of trash. You might dig a few coins, often they can be good ones, but you will dig the trash because of all of these car parts. I couldn't tell you how many car parts and little shreds of metal sound great on the GTI 1500 and 2500. BUt I am not putting down the machine because these other machines are digging the same shit.
 
I am no expert by any means. I am probably the least experienced in the field, but I make a living as Editor, Graphic Designer, and Writer for two magazines that require me to do many hours of research every week. I did tons of research before deciding which brand detector would be best overall for the price. My research mainly involved user satisfaction, options per dollar, and reported items found. I had never heard of a garrett until a month ago, but learned a lot fast. So, instead of giving my opinion I will tell you that Garrett easily won in every class that mattered to me as a new user. Jonathan
 
Hey man,

I'm glad that you purchased a detector that mattered to you in every aspect.

Wanna know something funny...me too.

Why do you think that I have a Garrett? Let me tell you something. I am educated (a double major in college and studying to get my master degree). I read a lot. In fact, I read countless magazines and 5 or 6 books on metal detecting before I bought a detector. Most of the books were written by Charles Garrett though. However, I did my research for about a year and a half before I manned up and bought one. I looked at all kinds of detectors online, but you know what...my research wasn't goo enough. I assure you that I am educated and intelligent. However, metal detecting is a hobby (perhaps a passion) that cannot be taught in a book or a magazine. I assure you that I thought I made the best decision as well. In fact, I am sure that I still did make a good decision. Everyone had to start somewhere. All I am saying is that once you have experience in the hobby (granted I have no idea how experienced you are) it makes for better judgement in the future. Experience is a great teacher in metal detecting. I am glad that I have the GTI 1500 and have no plans on getting rid of it or anything. I'll use for as long as I can. However, if you want to find deep coins consistently (over 6 inches deep), then this machine will not do it! Period. Like John from Edmonton says...you can find deep coins at 8 inches but they give you a trashy signal. There are machines that will get you coins at 10"+ all day long and they report the coins as GOOOOOOOD signals. The GTI 1500 does everything I want it to do EXCEPT...find coins consistently that are deep. In fact...it rarely does it. I promise you that if you hunt with experienced TH'ers who have and know how to use a Minelab Explorer or Explorer II, they will find more coins and better coins than you will. Period.

Chuck
 
Wasn't saying you were not educated, I also wasn't claiming to be educated, just that I deal with product comparisons very often. Also, I was not disputing the depth issue because "I don't know". I have also found that most books and magazines don't show a true aspect on a subject. Just as you said, Garrett had written books, editors and writers have opinions. I prefer to go with consumer un-bias opinion of a item that they have already used multiple times, preferably years. I am just saying that there are more happy Garrett users out there, that are satisfied with their machine. I have enough trouble pin pointing and finding a penny at 4 inches, I am not digging 12" unless you can be guaranteed silver or gold. Jonathan
 
I own a GTP 1350 and I went on an organized hunt with a bunch of guys with basically the same machines, they ranged from 10-25 years experience and I had 6 months experience. To make a long story short, they found 10-20 times more coins than I did. My conclusion is that at least for me, EXPERIENCE gets coins. I could have had the most expensive, top of the line detector and they would have still beat me.
However I am going to match them next year because I get at least 2-3 hrs. a day in search for my "pot of gold."
Happy Hunting Y'all.
John D.
 
Please take a look at the whole picture:

This is a Garrett forum. It is paid by Garrett and dealers who sell Garrett machines. They pay a lot of money to have this forum available. Garrett users use this forum to exchange ideas, ask questions about Garrett Detectors. They also post pics and talk about their adventures.

You come along, and start talking about how much better Minelabs are for depth etc. Lots of people who post here also own non-Garrett machines. But hey, it's Garrett's and the Dealers dime, so if you want to bad mouth Garretts products, please go elsewhere on somebudy elses dime. Go to a general metal detecting forum.

If I was to go on a Minelab forum and post them an inferior product compared to a Bounty Hunter, Fisher, Garrett etc., I would expect to get flamed there also. Please....have some respect.

We welcome your ideas, stories, pics and camradery. To many of us, this is not just not a forum, it's family. Many of us have detected for many years. We have all heard the depth topic come up numerous times in the last 20 some odd years. It's usually new guys who get so wrapped up about depth. If depth is so important, then buy your Minelab. When you bash Garrett equipment on a Garrett forum, you are also really discrediting Minelab too.

Happy Hunting. :)
 
Wow,

First of all, let me apologize if I said "Garrett is an inferior product." I do not recall saying that at all. Now if you inferred that on your own...then I do not know how to respond.

I have owned a Garrett for 4 years now. I have been serious into metal detecting for the last 3 years. I firmly enjoy the hobby and respect the hobby. It is truly a passion. Let me start off again by saying that my intention was not to "badmouth" Charles Garrett or Garrett Metal Detectors. I was simply answering a question that I saw on this forum. I am new to the forum and I suppose that I did not know that my their were rules on here against "Free Speech." I simply added my thoughts on the depth between the GTI 1500 and the GTI 2500. I don't think that there is a real big difference in the depths that either of those two machines are capable of. I think they attain about the same ammount of depth. I bought the 1500 because it was cheaper than the 2500, lighter weight, and also had the treasure imaging. It was my first and still my only detector. I have made many good finds with it over the last 3 years and am pleased with the overall performance of the machine on most levels.


Therefore, I do not even own another machine.

HOWEVER, how can one say that I should not be able to discuss the capabilities of another machine with someone who is looking to purchase another machine? I simply stated that the Minelab Explorer II is capable of depths nearly double to the Garrett's models (strictly pertaining to the depths that both machines can find and locate coins). This is not a sales pitch for Minelab or a bash against Garrett. I have never even used the a Minelab. However, as a detectorist...it impresses me to know that a Minelab has designed a product that actually finds coins at 12" deep. That is amazing. I know because I have witnessed two of my close friends, who both own minelabs, find coins at these depths over the past several weeks. The one guy just purchased it two weeks ago. He wasn't ablt to find these coins over 6" deep with his White's DFX. Now he has found over 30,000 coins in the past 5 years, but for some reason he could not locate these coins at the deeper depths. We have went to this place 6 times this year. He did not find one old coin with his DFX!!! The GTI 1500 helped me find a Liberty Nickel, 2 Buffalos, a silver War Nickel, about a dozen wheat pennies, and a 1951 Silver Quarter. I was impressed with the Garrett because this guy normally kicks my butt. However, Jim, the other guy with us who has been using the Minelab Explorer I for about 4 or 5 years, found over 200 wheats pennies, over 30 silver coins, a buffalo nickel, a 10K Gold wedding ring, and an Indianhead penny at depths ranging from 6-10." Rick bought a Minelab and his first day to this place, our 7th trip there this year and his first trip there with a Minelab (having never used it before) he found 22 wheat pennies, 2 Silver coins, and a buffalo nickel.

Now if that isn't impressive...I don't know what is. As a Garrett user and owner, it is my right to voice my opinion on both the strengths and weaknesses of the product that I own, operate, and purchased.

I respect your opinion, but think that it is unfair that you feel that a consumer has no right to speak about a product that they purchased.

Chuck
 
....Maybe it's the Summer Soltice:look:

Seeing lots of debates going on at Forums recently.:argue:

This, too, shall pass:cheekkiss:
 
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