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Deepest Tesoro on silver coins
- Thread starter mojotrout
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LittleJohn
Member
Outlaw is a manual GB machine correct?...with the right coil on it, I dont know why it wouldn't be as deep as any of the other Tesoro machines on silver coins...which sometimes are deeper...sometimes they aint.
LittleJohn
LittleJohn
Most of the silver coins that I've seen dug and have dug have been around 5 inches deep. The Outlaw can hit a silver dime at 8 inches in good soil conditions.
The thing that keeps most silver coins hidden is masking, not depth. The most expensive and deepest detector can't find silver that's not there. Location, Location, Location.
tabman
The thing that keeps most silver coins hidden is masking, not depth. The most expensive and deepest detector can't find silver that's not there. Location, Location, Location.
tabman
Thanks for the thoughtsLJ: Yes, the Outlaw has manual GB.Is there a coil availible not included in the Outlaw package (5.75, 8 " concentric, 12x10") that would detect silver more consistantly/deeper than those that came with it? I have gotten mixed results and mixed testaments between the 8" and 12X10 as far as depth. I have found no difference in my ver limited experience, others say 12X10 is deeper if in highly mineralized ground, some say the 8" should go deeper. I have no issues with mineralization around my haunts but am often in trashy areas.
Thanks Slingshot. I have heard the same thing regarding te Vaq from many sources, but deep on what exactly (relics, clad, gold, silver?) has not been clear. What is the genernal rule on frequency for silver? lower is better? Is there a range that one would want to stay in if silver were their main quarry?
hmmm... that is interesting tabman. I chose Tesoro products to enter this hobby because one--I wanted to use my ears and not my eyes, and two-- the great discrimination capabilities of their units. If I am understanding your comment, you are saying that properly using my disc on my Outlaw and/or Silver umax should bring me more success than buying a "deeper" unit? My wallet likes the sounds of that.
As for hunting where there is actually silver; well of course there is silver down there! You gotta believe!!!
As for hunting where there is actually silver; well of course there is silver down there! You gotta believe!!!
SpiritRelic
New member
The outlaw will get the most possible depth in neutral soil with the 12x10 concentric.But this will not help much in trash.If you want some silver coins,put the disc a tick past tab and go.You do not need to run a low disc looking for silver coins,it will just slow you down.Listen for the lower faint signals.The Outlaw has plenty depth capability for this task.The 8" round is good for this,but the 12x10 DD is very good too..Silver coins are not easy to find.Just get in a location that you know can hold silver.The best sign is old wheat pennies.If you are finding wheats,there is silver there some were most likely. :-D
LittleJohn
Member
As was mentioned before...many silvers are masked by other things that we have discriminated out...and being that not all silver is buried 12 inches deep like some people think...then the machine you have will more than do the job. The critical part is being able to seperate the targets that pass under your coil and be able to differentiate which is which, locate it and dig it. That sounds pretty simple right? however on a single tone dig and beep machine you have to learn the intricacies of your machine better than a TID guy may have to per say...but it has and can be done.
There is no magic coil that will pull up the deep silver...the three you have will all do it in the right conditions...providing you know your machine and that only comes with time swinging the coil and digging a lot of targets, both good and bad. Then putting that information together inside your brain and determining what the machine is telling you. I wish there was an easier way to explain it...but bottom line is....
1. Get to know your machine and what its telling you. Make a test bed and go over it frequently with targets of both trash and treasure. Learn how your machine sounds when it hits a solid target....and when it hits a target masked by trash. 2. Do some research and find places where old silver coins are still in the ground and may not have been hunted to death already. 3. Stick with it...when you do get the outlaw figured out...it will all make perfect sense. I'M certain of it. I am enjoying detecting much more now than I did when I first got going in it...because I have learned each of my machines and know their strengths and weaknesses...and I use them all based on where and how I am hunting.
LittleJohn
There is no magic coil that will pull up the deep silver...the three you have will all do it in the right conditions...providing you know your machine and that only comes with time swinging the coil and digging a lot of targets, both good and bad. Then putting that information together inside your brain and determining what the machine is telling you. I wish there was an easier way to explain it...but bottom line is....
1. Get to know your machine and what its telling you. Make a test bed and go over it frequently with targets of both trash and treasure. Learn how your machine sounds when it hits a solid target....and when it hits a target masked by trash. 2. Do some research and find places where old silver coins are still in the ground and may not have been hunted to death already. 3. Stick with it...when you do get the outlaw figured out...it will all make perfect sense. I'M certain of it. I am enjoying detecting much more now than I did when I first got going in it...because I have learned each of my machines and know their strengths and weaknesses...and I use them all based on where and how I am hunting.
LittleJohn
HaroldILL.
Active member
I will be the first to admit not all silver is deep.But some places where I live the soil is softer and the site has been pounded to death that what coins remain are deep silver and Indian's and wheats. So sometimes it pays to have a detector with some extra punch.
The best way to learn about masking is to throw a bunch of nails, modern pull tabs, beaver tails, foil and can slaw on the ground and then place a coin in the middle of it. Keep moving the trash and coin around and using different discrimination settings. Before long, you will clearly see that masking is your main enemy, not depth.
The more discrimination that you use, the more masking you'll get. Reading about it is one thing, but seeing it for yourself is eye opening. If you have a screen ID machine, the numbers will be all over the place, even if it picks up the coin in the middle of the surrounding trash.
tabman
The more discrimination that you use, the more masking you'll get. Reading about it is one thing, but seeing it for yourself is eye opening. If you have a screen ID machine, the numbers will be all over the place, even if it picks up the coin in the middle of the surrounding trash.
tabman
I would just say don't under-estimate the Vaquero's ability to find some deeper silver. I know it has a higher frequency, but I believe the power of the machine makes up for that. Nobody seems to be able to answer the question outright, but I've seen posts where people have found silver at decent depths with it and I myself have found silver in the 6-7" range with solid signals. Not many unfortunately, but the masking issue is whats at fault in most scenarios, plus coins being on edge probably doesnt help. I think that is where the lower frequency helps is with coins on edge... I'm always learning something new about the machine. Now that I have it back from the factory with the coils re-tuned, who knows how much better it will be
LittleJohn
Member
If I remember correctly the lower the KHz the better of a silver machine it has the capacity to be. This being said, the outlaw should be better with detecting silver than either the vaquero or the tejon...based upon this information.
My biggest thing is ...you have to swing the coil over that silver in the first place. Silver coins are not being replenished as clad coins are.....so every one that is found...is another one that wont be...sounds silly, but its true...and sometimes we dont consider that when looking for those deep silver coins.
Masking is certainly the issue at hand with most deep silver recovery. The high end machines have been designed with this in mind and are much more effective in trash/target seperation and identification. That comes at a cost that you will not get for $400-500. It also comes at a cost of more weight to carry around all day and more of a learning curve than is found on most tesoros.
The good thing is you can still find deep silver with Tesoros....even all the way down to the compadre...yes you can do it. Again, you need to know your machine....know it know it know it....and then put yourself in a place where the deep silver actually exists and grid a spot then go 90 degrees and grid it the other way....you would be surprised what you miss simply by a coin being on edge or masking from a ferrous target.
I still own and religiously use my Tesoros, they have their place...but when I go looking for deep silver, especially when I know there will be iron or other masking trash...then I use a machine that was designed to do that. There is no perfect detector...the best one is between your ears.
LittleJohn
My biggest thing is ...you have to swing the coil over that silver in the first place. Silver coins are not being replenished as clad coins are.....so every one that is found...is another one that wont be...sounds silly, but its true...and sometimes we dont consider that when looking for those deep silver coins.
Masking is certainly the issue at hand with most deep silver recovery. The high end machines have been designed with this in mind and are much more effective in trash/target seperation and identification. That comes at a cost that you will not get for $400-500. It also comes at a cost of more weight to carry around all day and more of a learning curve than is found on most tesoros.
The good thing is you can still find deep silver with Tesoros....even all the way down to the compadre...yes you can do it. Again, you need to know your machine....know it know it know it....and then put yourself in a place where the deep silver actually exists and grid a spot then go 90 degrees and grid it the other way....you would be surprised what you miss simply by a coin being on edge or masking from a ferrous target.
I still own and religiously use my Tesoros, they have their place...but when I go looking for deep silver, especially when I know there will be iron or other masking trash...then I use a machine that was designed to do that. There is no perfect detector...the best one is between your ears.
LittleJohn
Thanks LittleJohn, tabman, etc. This is great info. I have no problem putting in the time and learning my machine's nuances. heck, its why I got into the hobby-- to learn a new discipline. But it helps to know what your machine is inherently capable of and how to go about learning how to maximize its potential. To that end, you folks have helped me out a lot. I hope apply some of this wisdom and post some fruits of my labor soon.
Hey mojotrout - I found the "V" just a bit deeper, maybe a 1/4", throughout the numerical range but in the red zone, (Super Tuned), the Vaquero will go 2.5 to 3 inches deeper. With that said, tabman nailed it. Despite the excellent depth, the silver I found was no deeper then 5 - 6 inches. When a Tesoro hits a good target, you know it.
Thank you for your comment Mike. Your posted work on the Outlaw allowed me to make an informed purchase of this machine. I am not so much a relic hunter -- at least, I dont target relics (yet) -- so it appears I have a machine I can grow into and will reward me with older coins if i take the time to learn it. Thanks again for sharing your experience with the outlaw and other detectors.
Depth can prove to worse than masking for old silver. I live in Florida, which means I essentially live on a giant sand bar. The soil is very loose and mineralization is low.
How bad is it? It's so bad that if I want to find coins dropped in the 1950's, I am digging, on average, at a depth of at least 8".
And yes, lower frequency detectors do, as a general rule, hit on higher conductivity targets like silver, better than a higher frequency machine will.
Because of the increased interest in gold, more higher frequency machines are being developed that also process the frequency differently to allow for coins to be found.
You will notice about 10-15 years go, most single frequency machines were operating at about 7-8 kHz, geared more for coin hunters.
Since then, I have noticed more and more being built in the 13-15 kHz range to allow for better detection of gold jewelry.
This is not true of Tesoro, which has usually prefered the 10 - 12 kHz range (with a few exceptions) for as long as I can remember.
But you will notice more of the newer Tesoro models are working in the 14 kHz range.
How bad is it? It's so bad that if I want to find coins dropped in the 1950's, I am digging, on average, at a depth of at least 8".
And yes, lower frequency detectors do, as a general rule, hit on higher conductivity targets like silver, better than a higher frequency machine will.
Because of the increased interest in gold, more higher frequency machines are being developed that also process the frequency differently to allow for coins to be found.
You will notice about 10-15 years go, most single frequency machines were operating at about 7-8 kHz, geared more for coin hunters.
Since then, I have noticed more and more being built in the 13-15 kHz range to allow for better detection of gold jewelry.
This is not true of Tesoro, which has usually prefered the 10 - 12 kHz range (with a few exceptions) for as long as I can remember.
But you will notice more of the newer Tesoro models are working in the 14 kHz range.