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CZ21 test, compare with EZ

Thanks EZ, I understand about the shape of the fields on the coils but the excalibur in the PP mode, I had read from CJC books and thought that myself from the way there are disruptions in the threshold on fringe targets it was a diffused field..where discriminate is more of a controled, traditional DD shape. Next trip to the beach I have to put a target out of range (20?) and slowy pull it up and inching up on it with the coil to see if it comes in slowly or suddenly. Looking for yours and Jims video, plus the video on your settings..I have to get in more time on the CZ before retiring, I like the depth and the discrimation abilities. I'm just not sure if the CZ will get the depth as a PI would in the water. Reason, my last bay hunt I was talking to a couple CZ20/21 hunters and they were telling me they would have dug iron just to be digging becasue of the lack of targets. The infinium was singing faint targets the whole time...We have to, some how see if we can do a little shallow water test next trip...I know the excalibur falls on it's face there, losing several inch's.
 
Lots of great information from some great detectorists!

With the CZ, if I hear any bounce off low tone with the coil moving slowly over a small target, it is a dig. I may have to start taking a couple inches of sand off the top on some targets to see if they come off low tone.

Will also have to work more speed variation into the Excal hunts and pay attention to what it tells me.
tvr
 
A lot of different detectors have problems IDing targets that are very deep ......The processor will get overwhelmed ....In these cases , the targets will give off a low tone .....The AT Pro will do the same thing when going for a deep target ....You will get a repeatable tone , but it iwll be the WRONG tone when a detector is reaching for DEEP targets .......When taking sand or dirt away enough to get within a distance that the detector can ID better and to it's ability , it will give the ACTUAL tone of the target .....So for example , if you are digging a target that is down over a foot and it gave you a LOW tone to begin with , and you get down a good 8 inches in what you are digging in , and you then get ANOTHER low tone , chances are that your target is iron .... I have done this wth a CZ and also with an AT Pro , and don't doubt the fact that you can also do it with other detectors .....JIm
 
If you guys are going out again soon, someone beg, barrow or steal a PI.

Dew
 
n/t
 
Mel thanks for chiming in, I remember some time ago you had asked about including a CZ20 in the test.

I had the WOT with me on the trip..I did not take along for the test because I wanted to see how well the amped excal did,........... Next trip I will take it but it is far from stock. Kick myself in the Butt, Had a bone stock excalibur II there and forgot to include it.

dew said:
If you guys are going out again soon, someone beg, barrow or steal a PI.
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Several PI's were invited, but things happen and it did not work out...but I got the PI's covered..DF - Eric foster PI - LS
 
It does very well on the beach and on farm fields. Coverage is a bit better than the 10.5, pin pointing is easier as well, and the depth probably an 1" to 1 1/2" more depending on the conditions.

One thing I did notice is that when I had it on my CZ3D, the ID was off in enhanced mode. Some of the older nickels and a small gold coin I tested on the standard CZ 8 inch coil hit as high tone, but using the FZ12, it hit as mid tone....should have hit as hign tone in enhanced mode.

All in all, unless you can get a really good deal on one ( which at this point a good deal would be about $150-175 since they are selling in the $225 and above range when made available), stick with the 10.5 inch coil.
 
therover ,
That's interesting that you make mention of the ID being off on the Sunray coil .....It seems to me that every Sunray coil that I have ever had , the numbers were ALWAYS off .....My S-12 was off by quite a bit and had to go into the Sov. and adjust from inside the meter before it would give me a 180 on a quarter .....and that was with the outside meter adjustment turned all the way to one side ....Jim
 
RR
So what was your conclusion on the head to head tests. Thanks
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Conclusion, the CZ20/21 is Deeper then the Excalibur..........

My opinion, The Excalibur has it places, and same with the CZ...Knowing ones machine, knowing the location and conditions, I think either is deadly with treasure and making the right choice on which to use where can mean how well one does. For me, the Bay, Lakes, calm waters I'll use the CZ20...the Ocean, wet sand, the Excalibur. There are still many unanswered questions that I need to know, hopefully we can line up again this fall, with a few more machines and more can be learned.
 
synthnut said:
A lot of different detectors have problems IDing targets that are very deep ......The processor will get overwhelmed ....In these cases , the targets will give off a low tone .....The AT Pro will do the same thing when going for a deep target ....You will get a repeatable tone , but it iwll be the WRONG tone when a detector is reaching for DEEP targets .......When taking sand or dirt away enough to get within a distance that the detector can ID better and to it's ability , it will give the ACTUAL tone of the target .....So for example , if you are digging a target that is down over a foot and it gave you a LOW tone to begin with , and you get down a good 8 inches in what you are digging in , and you then get ANOTHER low tone , chances are that your target is iron .... I have done this wth a CZ and also with an AT Pro , and don't doubt the fact that you can also do it with other detectors .....JIm
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I completely agree. I've used a CZ20/21 as my main machine for the past couple years (safe to say ~300 hours) and have got into the habit of sweeping a layer of sand off when I hear a low tone to re-sweep. Fact is, I've dug a couple of gold rings that registered as low tones at first and just was curious (lack of targets) enough to dig. Low and behold when I dug an inch or two off the top layer, I got a nice mid and gold ring several inches later. With the CZ, I've found that taking an inch or two off the top layer and re-sweeping is the most accurate way to know if the target is iron or not.

Low bounces with mids or highs are always a dig; heck, anything that isn't a solid low is a dig (Pt 950/Au 750 combo Cartier ring registered as a solid high and surprised me!).
 
Can I ask how you mounted that Exaclibur to the shaft system you have now? (Seems much more ergonomical to a non-diver) :help:
 
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