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CZ-3D opinions....???

sprchng said:
I was recently floundering around in the archives over on Tom's site and ran across an interesting post by Tom about his days at Los Banos and a gal there named Sima or Sema (or something like that) who he collaborated with on the tuning procedure of their machines and how adept she was at it. This leads me to believe that not only were 1121s made there but that it wasn't just the plant they were manufactured at but also the hands they went through. I just sent a 1021 to Florida that was still just factory tuned and it turned out it was very close to specs before it arrived there and would hit a dime at 11.4". I suspect the ones being produced/stocked today are capable of the same.

I agree with some who have recommended trying to find one regardless of serial number that tests well and go from there.

I have an 1121 Los Banos made unit that Tom D. fine tuned for me . It was not far out of synch, but I just wanted it to be as good as possible. Many are mistakenly hung up on the notion that only one with a ser. # of 1021 is any good at all. You are wrong if you believe this !
 
In reading all the posts and responses over the years about the 3D and serial numbers, I believe what had happened was, when Fisher - Los Banos was making the 3D's, there was a specific process to assemble and calibrate/test. All the 1021 serial numbers had that process applied. When the First Texas take over occurred, that original process still took place on some of the 1121 units ( whether they were made in Los Banos or not I don't know, but it seems reasonable to believe they were).

After the take over ( and I presume movement of the factory/assembly/testing process), the original way to calibrate/test did not occur and a new way was implemented (or some steps/procedures in the old way were not followed). The rest of the 1121 batch (and those moving forward with I assume newer serial numbers) had this new way applied and it was not up to par with the original way. As owners started getting these newer units and comparing them to older CZ's or the 1021 3D's, they were finding the depth was no where near where it should be.

Once this problem was indentified, it was corrected and all subsequent 3D's had the calibration/testing done the original way. So there may be a batch of 3D's that were made in the interim, that did not have the original way of calibration/testing done to them, hence them being sub-standard when compared to the older CZ's.

In all of this, I am not sure if the Los Banos CZ's had different components (ie, a different manufacturer, better quality, etc.) than the First Texas ones, and that also added to the issue. I think it was more of how the unit was put together, calibrated and tested but if anyone can add to this, please do so.

Bottom line is, I think this whole thing has been put to rest. I think when guys are selling their 3D's, they state the serial number and where it was made, to inform the buyer that it is an up to spec 3D.

An up to spec 3D is an awesome unit, be it a Fisher Los Banos or First Texas unit.
 
You bunch of hijackers....................!!!!
Just kidding.
:lol:
 
There is a lot about this over on the aforementioned site. One particularly illuminating post by Mike Scott detailed the decline of the "old" Fisher from his first person perspective.

Tom D. has said that it was routine for the older Los Banos 1021 cz-3ds to hit around 12" on a clad dime in his mild Florida dirt. I don't know if newer ones ever hit that deep, but I don't remember ever seeing a newer one calibrated by Tom get that depth. Most of the newer T.D. calibrated units seem to be 9 or 10 point something.
 
Without having taken my CZ3D out of Winter Storage I believe my CZ3D ( 11210208 ) was made in Los Banos.

I sent it in to have it calibrated and recertified and was quite pleased with the outcome.

I have a label affixed to it that said that it was calibrated and obtained 12.3 inches on a clad dime (Florida soil).

From the best that I can recall upon first purchasing my CZ3D... I was able to personally obtain better than 11 inches on a clad dime using the setting supplied on the Tom 's forum. He was able to calibrate it to obtain about another inch in depth and a much clearer, more precise audio response.

If you search my forum name on that site you will find my report of the newly tuned CZ3D.

-NEBeachcomber
 
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