CZ 3D on the way!

[Aaron]

Rich please refer to the below post I sent it back we are all anxiously waiting on how this matter will be resolved Also go to Tom Danowskis website the issue is being discussed there as well
Thanks and HH
Aaron

 

[Aaron]

I do have to say for balance I like my CZ-70 better. And yes, the rain resistant feature is really nice. Been caught out in more than one sudden down pour and just kept huntin.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Aaron

 

[Tymstamon]

Aaron, my CZ-70 was deeper than my 3-d and better balanced, just slightly deeper though, my old CZ7 a pro is the deepest of all three of them ,my wife gets my hand me down Detectors. My CZ70 was stolen out of my van about 6 months after i bought it so i had to use my backup 1260 X i found a lot of Silver with that old 1260.
My 3-D is a 1021.

 

[TheOtherLeggoHead]

I bought a well used cz7a today. I am looking forward to using it this year.

It will ring a dime (airtest) at 10".

 

[UtahRich]

In my post above I mistakenly told about using a CZ-6a back in the early 90's. Nope, it was a regular CZ-6. I think that I must be getting old, my memory seems to be slipping. I was looking back through some detecting logs of my finds from that time period and noticed my mistake. I don't know the year that the CZ-6a was introduced, but it wasn't in the early 90's. I do remember that a connector change of some sort was involved making coils between the old and new incompatible. (at least I think that I remember that correctly)

I'm sure that a few of you CZ experts noticed my mistake right off. I thank you for not stringing me up.

Rich (Utah)

 

[Up to my ____ in Pulltabs Grant]

I've never had a problem with cranking up the sensitivity all the way but find it doesn't really give more depth. At 5 a good target has a short high tone. If you go higher on sensitivity the short high tone sometimes becomes a long high tone, which for me is usually a nail. At 5 with practice you can tell the difference between a good target and a bad one. Some say they dig tons of nails with the 3D because they sometimes do come in as a high tone, but with experience you'll know the difference.

If you can crank the sens up you get slightly more depth. Its no B.S. that you can get clad dimes at 12+ ".
Sometimes you need a full size shovel if you get it ground balanced properly and run the sens up, keep your coil low in good ground. Scrub Scrub Scrub.
As far as nails, the only time it sings out high on nails is when the nail pointed up or down and the tone is always
different then the coin high tone. A square nail is more difficult and can sometimes be situated in any position, it will sometimes and usually more often sing high.

A nail will have a washed out sound at the beginning and at the end or the high tone.
Its hard to describe, you'd have to hear it. It's real fast but it is different then the regular high coin tone.
I rarely have any issues with my 3D and nails. I hunt in a lot of nail infested areas.
I only get fooled once in a while.

Regards,
Grant

 

[John(Tx)]

I thought I also bought a CZ6a in the early 90's unless my memory if also fading. HH John

 

[UtahRich]

I thought I also bought a CZ6a in the early 90's unless my memory if also fading. HH John

that is pushing close to twenty years ago. All of my records say cz6 and I do remember there being a change to the connectors. I found a very old list of detectors that I had purchased and I have cz6 written down in 93 and again in 95?? I also found a reference to an eagle spectrum in 94. I only found a couple hunt record sheets for it though and then it was back to cz6. I didn't document things as well as I should have.

Anyway I am interested to read if Aaron was able to work thing out with first Texas and his cz3d.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Aaron,

Have you sent in your new CZ-3D to Fisher for them to adjust?

I am very interested to know how this works out, if you don't mind sharing. Let me explain why.

(Long story - sorry)
In the early 90's I picked up a CZ-6a, used it for years and was impressed by it's depth, ergonomics, small overall package and ease of use. It's lone weakness was an appetite for deep rusty nails. I considered it a trade off for the depth. I finally sold it after several years and picked up an Explorer XS. The Explorer had excellent depth with it's 10.5" coil, similar to the CZ-6a with the 8", and it pretty much ignored the rusty nails that the CZ-6a always seemed to find. But every detector has it's weaknesses. I had an injured shoulder fixed a few years ago, but it still doesn't like swinging a heavy detector, like the Explorer, for any length of time. It just gets sore.

I recently sold the Explorer and picked up an older Minelab Sovereign. The Sovereign has a reputation of excellent depth and iron rejection and can be hipmounted. But I need some time with it to see if overall, it meets my needs and expectations. (Everybody has ideas about what works for them and one persons perfect detector is a headache for somebody else) So right now I'm in the process of finding that 'perfect' detector to use for the next several years. The newer top-of-the line detectors are running $1,200-1,500, plus the cost of an extra coil. And in reality, I don't really need all the computerized gadgetry most of these high end detectors have to hunt the places I frequent. The $800 for a new CZ-3D is 30-50% less than top end. The Fisher coils are more moderately priced than Minelabs as well. So IF the Minelab isn't what I thought it would be, I need a plan B.

The CZ-3d is my plan B if I can get a CZ-3D that is up to what NASA-Tom says are the factory specs of depth and target separation. But if it is a crap shoot to get a brand new detector that is what it should be, that is a different matter.

I am anxious to see how this works out for you. If First Texas is willing to get your CZ-3D up to snuff it will make a difference in whether or not I am willing to buy a new one. If they consider your problem the luck of the draw, I will have to decide if it is worth risking.

Thanks,

Rich (Utah)

Why not get a CZ70, it's rain/splash proof, equal depth to the CZ3D (or any other CZ for that matter), and it's hip or chest mountable. Also has a nightlight, and the 4th tone like the 3D.

 

[UtahRich]

Good question, why not the cz70?

I don't have anything against it at all, but as I have been reviewing my options I have found a personal fault (other than my wifes list) when it comes to metal detecting.

1. When I am using a detector with target tone ID, I investigate fewer targets and begin to mentally tune out lower conductivity targets. In other words, I soon fall into cherry picking. I did it with my Teknetics Mark I and my Explorer XS. The three or four tone layout of the cz's works well for me personally.
2. I've found the older coins and tokens read lower on the conductivity scale than usual in the areas that I hunt most frequently. The concept of the CZ3D rang true to my situation.
3. I used a CZ6 for several years and am very familiar with it's capabilities.
4. A CZ5 came along at the right time that is in perfect condition. It is in the process of morphing into a CZ3D minus the 4th tone for foil.

I am confident in the CZ platform doing an excellent job for me in the areas that I hunt most. I don't know if it is my answer for the perfect machine, i hear too many compliments to the etrac and the F75 ltd. But currently I don't feel like dropping $1200-$1500 on a detector that may be superceeded by a new model in the next few months. There is talk of an F75 Black or Gold model coming out to fill in the gap left by the limited run of F75 ltd's. The etrac seems to have survived introduction as well.

Still, the cz worked well for me and I am hoping a tweeked one will do as well or better. I am not ruling out an F75 or an etrac somewhere in the future. Just not at the moment. Being able to do the conversion of the cz5 was key to buying it.

 

[Aaron]

I've got a CZ-70 pro, great machine, built like a tank, water, weather & bullet proof. I just sent it to Keith Willis to have it calibrated. I have had it for years and never found anything over 7 inches. Cant wait to get it back, along with warm weather!

 

[UtahRich]

Did I hear you say that Keith is sending warm weather this way? Nice


Rich (Frozen Utah)

 

[Aaron]

Nope, only my 70 by spring I hope. The only warm weather thats coming our way here in SE Mi is 32 above friday.

 

[UtahRich]

Aaron,

I bet you're excited to see how the doctor does on the CZ-70.

My CZ-5TD is on it's way home. Just got a note that my newly acquired CZ-5 that went in for a CZ-3D conversion is completed and it is on it's way home.

Now where is that warm weather?!


Rich (Utah)

 

[Aaron]

Up here in Michigan winter can sometimes go all the way through April, no joke! As long as it starts to consistanly stay in the 30's thats good enough for me and the ground will start to thaw. I'm planning on finding my ultimate detecting find this year...a GOLD COIN! Yeah I know,,call me crazy Gotta think positive!
Let the digging begin!

 

[UtahRich]

That sounds like a great plan - they are out there. I found an 1881 $10 GP in an old ghost town screening through some old fire debris with a friend during a club outing. But I'm still looking for that 1st detector Gold Coin.

SLC is a tad further south than Michigan; right along I-80. We get cold, but not bitter cold like it is around the great lakes. It has been around the mid-30's during the day for the last week or so. With the mild temps and a relatively dry winter, it allows hunting in a few spots that are clear of snow. I have been keeping my eye on a few areas that get enough sun that they are very cold, but not frozen hard. I keep a coin probe in the car so if I spy a possible spot, I can hop out and give it a quick test.

I have been able to slip out a little bit here and there, but nothing lengthy. It keeps the cabin fever at a manageable level.

Whatever happened with the new CZ-3D you picked up? Last I heard it was making a trip back to Fisher for a look-see by the factory folks.


Rich (Utah)

 

[Aaron]

Must have been a rush seein that gold coin comin through that sifter huh!?
WTG!