cz-3d nickel test ?

[4luckyo]

been testing a cz-5 and a cz-3d , throw a nickel down and the cz-5 will lock on nickel on the meter , turn the discrimator knob to knock out the nickel and its gone , on the 3d throw a nickel down and it reads a round pulltab and the meter reads round pulltab it wont read nickel , any adjustment on the discrimator knob above the round pulltab and the nickel is knocked out , is the part of the old coin feature or is it because its on the surface ? maybe if its been in the ground for a long time it would read nickel , any thoughts ?

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Older nickels such as Buffalo, V and Shield come in lower than your standard Jefferson and this is just part of the old area mode to catch older coins...Your unit is working fine...as working in old area not looking for Jefferson nickles...

 

[Anonymous]

The 3D doesn't air-test very well, as it's designed to work with the target in a dirt matrix. As Dan mentioned, in Enhanced Mode, the 3D places the newer Jeffersons up into the pulltab range, while the older, corroded Buff's and "V" Nickels are moved up out of Foil and into the Nickel range.

HH from Allen in MI

 

[mtdoramike]

it would show round pulltab. The only way I had for checking to verify that it was a nickel, was dig it or flip the toggle over to salt mode and if the meter went to nickel, I would dig it and most of the time it was a nickel. It didn't make a difference how old the nickel was, how long it was in the ground or if I airtested it. I believe some CZ3d's are better or hotter on nickels then others. I hunted side by side with a CZ5 and they would have an average of 5-10 nickels. I wouldn't have any until I started flipping the toggle to salt mode, then I would dig a few. But from my experience, the CZ3d at no where near the nickel hunter the CZ5 is.

Also, while in enhanced mode, try and discriminate out zinc pennies. Mine wouldn't even at 6, but if you flip to salt mode it would.

 

[mtdoramike]

in regular or salt mode whether it be in nice condition or cruddy condition, but then again, it might have something to do with soil conditions also.

 

[4luckyo]

is there any special settings or samples we could use to test this feature without trying to find one first ? Its alot easier on the mind if we know the setting is working

 

[Dale-IL]

I recently purchased a CZ 3d. This is my first Fisher and I am very pleased with it. Just tested it in the yard with a Jefferson nickel on the ground surface and the meter locked on nickel. Coil about 4 to 6 inches above nickel. Sens. 5, Grd. 3, Disc.0 Vol. 5. Enhanced mode. In the field if it locks on nickel from two directions it is almost always a nickel. From nickel to iron is usually a bottle cap. Ring top tails will read pretty good both ways. HH

 

[Everett Cavanah]

The cz-3d in salt mode acts just like a cz-5.For newer parks I always use the salt mode.Don,t worry about losing depth allcz speak chinese.

 

[RLOH]

Flip the switch out of enhanced mode. I checked all shallow targets this way. R.L.

 

[Bill W.]

This is been discussed several times. There are 3D units out there that are sub-par on nickels. Mine on the other hand is excellent at getting nickels. My 3D ID's them properly in and out of the ground. I am not sure why the differences in 3D's... maybe a software change or something. I did a test last year on nickels and posted the results. I am not sure how far the archives go back now. My 3D was bought less than two months after it's release.

-Bill

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Plain and simple it has two modes salt mode which should be used for newer areas and advanced for real old areas...
Advanced mode has parmameters changed to include more old coins and a jefferson nickle is just not an old coin. Your CZ3D is working fine as that was the intention of the CZ3D( sort of two units in one as you have the choice of two modes) for gosh sakes when hunting newer areas use the salt mode and if hunting an old area use the advanced mode...to take advantage of different meter parameters to perhaps find a old nickle, gold coin, real old Indian head or perhaps some oddball tokens or for that matter some oddball coins. Might dig a bit more in older areas as thats the idea to get more older coins in your pouch.I understand the concept and those that use it correctly may just end up with a 3 cent piece, gold coin or perhaps oddball token that other hunters walked over...

 

[Tinfoil]

Has new stuff in it just FLIP THE SWITCH from Enhanced to salt and check the target. Run it in 0 dis. so you can tell a Iron low/high tone hits and dig the deep high tone targets that don't pinpoint in a different spot and move around on you and that hit from 2 directions. You have two completely different detectors here. You have to do that when you are in that kind of a place. What Dan is saying is 100% truth. For Pete's sake go to Mikes CZ Page and read all of what he has took a lot of time to post there. One other thing READ THE MANUAL, put at least a min. of 200 hours on the machine before making any decisions on any detector. You have a fine deep old coin, jewlery finding machine, now just go use it like it was meant to be used. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.

 

[4luckyo]

tried your old horse trick , put it in salt mode , the nickel still reads round pulltab , do you think my unit is malfunctioning or is that just because its on top of the ground no matrix ?

 

[Bill W.]

See my other post. I don't know that I would be satisfied with a machine that IDed nickels wrong. My 3D works perfectly on IDing in and out of the ground. I am not sure why I've seen varying results. I would be inclined to call Fisher/First Texas.

-Bill

 

[Frank in NH]

Mine also works perfect on nickels.

 

[mtdoramike]

the nickel was laying on the ground or if it was an airtest. It would register nickel on the meter with a mid-tone. But in enhanced mode, it would register nickels as round pulltab and with a mid-tone, not a hi-tone, which is what it was supposed to do.

Now, when I called Fisher the tech told me that it was functioning properly, but I'll never believe that. They will mostlikely tell you the same thing. What I would do is write up a note of exactly what it's doing or not doing and put it in the box and send the whole unit into Fisher for a once over. When you have given them ample time to received the unit, call and speak to one of the techs and verbally tell them what the 3d is or isn't doing and see what they say once they have had a chance to look at your machine.

The 3d is a very good machine, but I still believe that there are slight veriations between units, which causes some not to ID nickels correctly be it new or old nickels. I finally got a GT&i1500 and started diggin a whole lot let trash and my nickel count immediately jumped up also. I will mostlikely give the 3d another swing one of these days.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

For my lack of patience and now I got the whole story...I would think if I got a bunch of nickels and they all read pulltabs in both modes your unit needs retuning or perhaps a new meter..Basically again the enhanced mode a jefferson nickel is not considered to be old and may not read nickle in the enhanced mode..Believe me after owning many different models of CZ's over the years expect some variances in some models and yes some are hotter(deeper) depending on their internal tuning.Again I see where Fisher is coming from and is giving you 2 units in one and a flip of a toggle puts you in the mode for new areas or real old areas. Problem is when you hit an area that was used 150 years and still used today you may have to doublecheck signals as they will vary on the meter.Time in the field and visiting both areas should understand the comcept and become proficient..

 

[Frank in NH]

Used the CZ3D in this park today for about 3hours in the rain, just had to try it again. Only dug two or three old style pull tabs that fool most detectors.Used enhenced mode all the time, when i got a nickel reading would switch modes and if it register pulltab it was a tab and if it was still nickel i dug it. This worked for me.

 

[4luckyo]

do you think my unit is malfunctioning ? even if I flip the toggle to salt it wont read nickel , I dont want to spend extra money if I dont have to , what is your thoughts ?

 

[mtdoramike]

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