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Custom/Light Weight GT Picture

A cheap detector stand-

For those of you who don't want to rig a stand to your machine or don't want anything heavy, head up to Radio Shack and pick up some of those rubber stick on feet for things. More than likely Home Depot has this sort of stuff as well. After much thought I'm thinking of taking the stand off my GT I made and just using two rubber feet stuck onto the bottom of the box at the back. It's rare that I'm in mud or high grass where I'd need something taller, and even then in those conditions a stall stand doesn't work very well, causing a machine to be unbalanced and prone to falling over. At least closer to the ground I won't have to worry as much about it tipping over on uneven ground, and less weight/better looks of the machine is always a plus. Half the time I find myself getting cheesed off by the headphone cord getting caught around the legs of my stand on me. Little things like that annoy me when I'm trying to "zone" for the next target.
 
I never lay my detector down, prop it against my side to dig, those sticky feet would be best at the front of the box rather than the back me thinks as the box is at an angle up at back
 
If these feet are the same ones I"m thinking of , they are not really high enough to make any difference are they ? ..... Why bother if the bottom of the box is not at least and inch or so above the ground when you sit the machine down ......

Critter ,
I've heard a lot of expressive terms in my day, but " cheesed off " ? ....... That's a new one on me !!!....Must be an Ohio thing !!....Jim
 
cheesed off, Used a lot in UK too jim
 
These will work, but yea they aren't that high. I'll probably head over to Home Depot because I'm sure they have taller ones for things like printers, table top appliances, and so on. I don't need that much height, just enough to keep the bottom of the detector from getting muddy or getting scratched up from gravel or something. The stand I built or the commercial ones I've seen all have the same problem- ability to snag the headphone cord, which seems a constant problem for me. The best I've ever used were the simple Whites ones that are just a half square of metal bolted to the control box. No way for cords to get caught up in them. I could make one for my GT but that would get in the way when using the Minelab bag for water hunting. The next one I like is the "standard" Minelab stand that plugs into the shaft at the very back. That keeps it out of the way of your cord, but now the machine is too long to stick in some trunks or back seats, and I don't like re-adjusting the length of the shaft over and over again to make it fit.
 
I've got a few pictures to show, mainly of the GT after the Whites arm cup has been put on. These first three pictures show my light weight land rig with 15x12 coil, with the other rig next to it being the original shaft and arm cup put back together but also with a custom hand grip using a bike end bar I cut down. On that rig I'm using the 10" Tornado stock coil for my water hunting. I find the 10" coil feels too small for my land hunting now having since gotten used to the 15x12 and now the 12x10 for land hunting. While my custom shaft is fine in the water, might as well use the original shaft and 10" coil put together as my water rig as the extra weight of the heavy original shaft doesn't matter in the water. It also makes going from land hunts to water as simple as unclipping the box, unscrewing the coil connector, and throwing the control box into the Minelab hip/chest mount bag. Since it's now in an easy to access position on my body to reach the stock PP switch, I of course don't need the remote PP that I use on my land rig and so just unplug it from the control box.

The last two pictures of are my land rig now using the 12x10 coil. That should be handy to compare size perspective to the 15x12 mounted on it in the first three pictures. As I just said previously, I think I'm going to get rid of my custom detector stand and use a couple of tall rubber feet on the bottom of the control box. Less hassles with snagging the headphone on the stand, and also should clean up the looks more and max out weight savings. You can find those rubber feet at places like Home Depot or Staples, and they just stick on so they can be removed down the road for re-sale of the detector if need be.

In fact, all my mods can be reversed to return the GT to original stock condition. Putting the two pieces of plastic back together that the box clips to and is secured in the original arm cup would be a simple matter of using two rivets to return original condition. The only thing I can't change back is the stereo jack on the control box for the remote PP switch. Also, it's minor, but I drilled a hole in the stock shaft right at the top of where the coil mount ends in the shaft to allow water to drain out. I prefer this at the back side of the shaft, as normal orientation of the detector naturaly drains the water out when walking. Be carefu if you don't have a drain hole here. Before doing that I had water run up the shaft and spill out over the control box.
 
Further info can be found in the mods forum at this thread...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?22,1141218,page=1
 
I weighed my GT today with the 12x10 coil. I had removed the detector stand I built as seen in the above photos, and instead used rubber feet on the bottom of the control box. The box is sloped down so that the rear portion of the control box is the first to touch the ground, so I installed two rubber feet at each corner towards the back (face plate area). If you notice there is a line where the separate face plate and bottom portion of the box come together. For that reason I installed the two rubber feet right along that line but on the control box bottom side of things. Reason being is that if you were to mount those two feet on the face plate portion I think that might loosen that up over time as stress is taken on and off the feet when set down.

The custom light weight GT, running a lipo, and using the 12x10 coil without coil cover and instead having spray on bed liner on it's bottom to protect it weighs in at I think 4 pounds 3.7 ounces. The exact number is right around there but escapes me at the moment. No matter, as I have to weigh the coil separately with and without coil cover as well to update the Coil Comparison & Weight Chart I posted in another thread that I compiled. I can say that the stock 10" coil without coil cover using spray on bed liner weighs exactly .3 (point 3) ounces more than before the spray on liner was put on. Compared to I think (see chart) 2.5oz for the coil cover you can see that's quite a weight savings. From memory (again, see chart) the 15x12 without coil cover is lighter than the stock 10" coil with cover still on by about .6 (pound 6) ounces. I'm anxious to get this 12x10 off the shaft and weight it with and without cover, because by feel I think it's much lighter than the stock 10" coil, at least with the cover still on the stock coil compared to the 12x10 without it. As the 15x12 shows that should probably be very true, and I'd expect much more in the way of weight savings. I'll re-weigh/confirm all these numbers and post them within the next day or so.

By the way, for those of you who have been nagging me in PMs about the $20 price of the Whites Tall Man lower rod...First, that's pretty cheap considering what you are getting being much lighter than the Minelab lower shaft and all, not to mention cheaper. Anyway, I headed out to my local Hobby Town today and sure enough they had a Tall Man lower coil rod for $10 sitting on the shelf. Needless to say I snagged that right up for my S-5 coil to mount to, making coil changes a lot easier between that and the 12x10 on my land rig. I mainly hate having to remove the coil nut/bolt and wiggle that out, then manage the new coil on with the four rubber washers (required since Whites rod mounts aren't as wide as Minelabs) without them shifting on me and closing up the hole. Note to mention the fact that I won't have to re-do the Velcro for the cable going up the shaft. Just will have to wrap the cable around the upper shaft behind the grip like I like to do, plug it into the meter, and away we go. The 10" coil stays on my water rig (the stock GT shaft and arm cup, though with a end bar as well and a more comfortable rubber grip to replace the stock one), so I don't need to worry about that.

If you go the route of one of these Whites tall man rods make darn sure it's the lower coil rod you order and not the middle rod. You can then either order 4 of the Whites rubber washers or head up to your local home improvement store and pick up a package of those rubber faucet repair washers. They have various sizes, so I'd bring your rod up there to see what fits inside the washer hole on the Whites rod. You'll have to drill out the center hole on the washer more than likely. Like I said before to, if you are going to order that lower rod from Whites then for another $10 you'll get an arm cup and strap that is MUCH lighter than the stock Sovereign one. Those two things alone will save you a good bit of weight.

The Whites rod is roughly twice as long as the stock Minelab one. You have two options here. Either just stick the Whites rod all the way up inside the upper stock shaft and then drill your snap pin adjustment holes where they need to be, or you can cut the Whites rod down to proper length, but you'll still need to drill the two snap pin holes out on the Whites shaft this way too. Either way, even without being cut down it's still lighter than the Minelab fiberglass shaft since the Whites is carbon fiber. An even better solution would be to cut the upper Minelab shaft down in length to save all that extra weight, since the Whites rod is much longer and carbon fiber is lighter than aluminum. Then instead of drilling new snap pin holes on the Whites shaft, you just drill them out on the Minelab shaft to match the length of the Whites. If you don't want to modify the stock shaft for re-sale value then find yourself a lighter grade aluminum than the stock upper shaft and then cut that down to length to match the longer Whites rod. That's what I did because it's the lightest solution to max out total weight savings.

I used the inner extension pole from an adjustable window cleaning pole made by Unger. They sell these at most home improvement stores. Unger has a green hand lock. Ettore (spelling?) uses a blue hand lock for pole adjustment but I think the diameter of the inner pole on those is the same too, but it might be a bit heavier. Not sure. I just remember back when I was in the window cleaning trade that the Ettore poles of the same height were heavier than the Ungers, so they might be higher gauge aluminum. As an added bonus, these window cleaning poles have a two headed snap pin in them like detectors use, so they make a good spare to have around in terms of that. In my view you don't need cam locks when building your own rig like this. The trick is to drill out both snap pin holes on the shaft. The stock Minelab shaft only has one hole drilled yet it contains a two-headed snap pin for shaft adjustment. Even on the stock shaft I drilled the other one out, because that makes things MUCH more snug then some silly cam lock, which from experience on any machine strips pretty quick anyway. Drill out your two snap pin holes on the stock shaft even if you are only staying stock. It'll stiffen it right up. And for sure drill two snap pin holes on any custom shaft you make. Makes no sense that Minelab would put a two headed snap pin inside the shaft and then be too lazy to drill both holes out on both sides of the shaft. Makes all the difference.

My GT is so light now that about the only thing I could possibly do to create more weight savings would be to shorten the length of the coil and meter cables. I think that would roughly save 4 to 5 ounces. The only other thing would be to replace my lighter upper aluminum shaft with a carbon fiber one. I'm looking into a cheap local source for one of those in that diameter. I know where I can get them dirt cheap on the net (about 1/5th the price of conventional carbon fiber producers), but I hate to mail away for something like that when it weighs nothing and I don't feel like paying added cost for shipping. I know locally where to get my hands on smaller carbon fiber tubes but not something of that diameter. I would guess that if I replaced this upper shaft that might save me another 2 or 3 ounces if my new upper shaft even weighs that much. Can't remember. Figure with shorter coil/meter cables another 4 or 5 ounces for that. I could probably get this machine down to around 3 pounds 11 ounces or so at the absolute limit in weight savings with the 12x10 coil or stock one. That's pretty darn outstanding, as I already feel pretty proud of how light I've made this thing thus far. Not to mention more user friendly with the remote PP and meter on top of the grip. As comfortable and light as any other machine I've owned, barring a Tesoro of course.
 
What was the stock weight before you started and the weight you have now?
 
I"m looking forward to building a couple of light weight .....One E Trac and one Sovereign GT ....... I can't get over the weight savings with just going Lipo !!.....That's pretty dramatc for just a battery ....How much of a savings to think you will get with the upper shaft being Carbon Fiber ? .....Jim
 
After reading your reports so far on the 10X12 SEF in your more mineralized areas I decided to get one for the beach and with the cord being short my usual hip mount setup won't work. I don't like cord extensions so rod mounting it is. I already have an extra Minelab straight rod without an arm cup or handle and I have a couple of Whites tall man lower rods so I have a start anyway.
 
You could add your meter on the shaft, that way the meter cable should reach for the hipmount, mine does, just
 
kered said:
What was the stock weight before you started and the weight you have now?

Don't know. If somebody can weight a stock GT with 10" coil and cover using stock rechargable pack and no headphones that would be great to compare to. I'd really like to know exactly how much weight I've saved. Never got around to weighing the stock unit. I just re-weighed the light weight GT with 12x10 minus coil cover, and no longer having a detector stand. I'm using rubber feet now. It's 4 pounds 3.9 ounces. Not bad at all!

I have compiled a new chart with updated weights on coils for BBS and FBS machines, along with the 12x10 and many others. The 12x10 *IS LIGHTER* than the lendary S-12 that was known as being the lightest coil in that size range on the planet! Here's the link...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1303616
 
Thanks. Crazyman, you know...I was able to chest mount my 15x12 and the cord was plenty long enough. Keep in mind that I'm 6 foot 2" tall, too, so if it's long enough for me it should be for most people. That was of course not using the meter, which like Kered say will extend your reach if you are crazy enough to use that in the water. I did a few times with my land rig, but decided I'd rather use the stock shaft for water hunting exclusively as my water rig. While my custom shaft is just fine in terms of being rigid, the extra drag in the water makes the stock shaft more appropriate for that.
 
Thanks Critter. I heard the cable was to short and had to be rod mounted and I'm a die hard hip mounter/chest mounter..
 
Kered, thanks. I was thinking about that but I don't use the meter very often but again I would rather do that than use a separate extension.
 
Crazyman, perhaps the SEF has come in various cable lengths since it's introduction. I seem to remember hearing that they at least changed some things about the cable on the FBS machines. Not sure if it has too on the Sovereign, because I too have heard some say the cable was too short to hip mount for water hunting. Like I said, I've used the 15x12 in the water on and had no problem. Wait, come to think of it I don't know if that was when I had a meter on my land rig doing that. No, because I wouldn't chest mount the box on my land rig even water hunting when I did that a few times, so it must have been on the water rig with of course no meter. I remember water hunting with it chest mounted I think. Either way, I guess you are going to find out if it's long enough or not. Now that I think about it I can't say for sure if I did chest mount/water hunt/no meter. I just know I wouldn't chest mount my land rig when using that coil on that, but I would on my land rig. I guess you'll find out soon enough.

PLEASE let me know how the 12x10 does in your high mineral sites (in particular your land ones, but beach as well) compared to the stock 10" coil and your 8" one. I believe you've said your soil is so mineralized that the 8" coil gets deeper for you than the 10" coil and allows you to run in manual, where as you must run in Auto with the 10" coil and it doesn't give you as good of depth? Man, you must have some bad minerals there. Much worse than my area, and my minerals aren't exactly very friendly either, but by what I've read of your sensitivity settings compared to mine I do figure you have worse mineral content.
 
PS- I'm also anxious to hear if you've noticed the change in audio pitch being higher on the 12x10 compared to the 10" coil (don't know if your 8" sounds different for comparisons to the 10"), as well as if you notice faster response, better seperation, and the fact that it seems to feel like the machine has been sped up to you. I know it hasn't, but the end result is still the same. The thinner left/right feel seems to increase the reaction and separation speed of the machine, even recovery.
 
I think I've said this before but Charles Garrett wrote that when he was developing a new discriminating VLF detector he did his testing up in my area because he thought we had the worst ground on the planet. I'm not sure whether it's the worst but it's a bit challenging in some places.
 
With the stock GT weight JW 73 was nice enough to post for me, I'm thinking about changing my signature file to "LIGHTEST SOVEREIGN ON THE PLANET!" :smoke: No joke, I bet it is, unless somebody used the old trick we used to do with RC circuit boards and shave down the edges of the Sovereign control board as much as humanly possible. :biggrin:

Besides all the other mods I did I owe much of the weight savings to running a 3 cell lipo in it. Love those lipos. Wave of the future in battery technology. Lighter, higher power density, voltage kept higher throughout drain cycle, etc. When electric cars start running variations of lipo technology and brushless drive train motors (very efficient and powerful, and with no brushes to wear out) then you'll really see them get popular.

Always amazes me how the government tries to force feed "green" stuff on people and markets. Hey, when something gets cheap enough, works good enough, and is convenient enough, only then will it replace whatever the tree huggers think is bad for the planet. No other amount of shaming people or forcing things on them is going to work.

Of course when they talk about all these green jobs once we invent the technology and production methods it'll get shipped over seas just like everything else. That's the funny thing- Our tax payer dollars being spent on advancing this stuff, and then it'll just be made over seas when all the details are sorted out. You can thank both parties when that happens. Free trade at all costs.

Let's see....went from talking about the GT's weight to a snub at green energy. Now that's what I call a rant! :lmfao:
 
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