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Corp Lakes - Asked to leave

Contact a real official and explain the situation..(1)You are trying to do the right thing and follow the law or regulation. (2)You are a benefit as you take away all trash. (3) You cover all holes. (3) The most of trash you take away has the potential of cutting swimmers feet.

Remember, squeaky wheel gets the grease. This caretaker cries to the right person in the agency. I can see her crying about the big bad, bad mannered MD'ing guy disrespecting her. Next thing you know "we have a problem with these MD'ing guys, need to change the regs".

It is important to get in there and stop it before it starts.

Be extremely friendly and concerned about doing the right thing.
 
...and perhaps a little insight.

I work for the Corps of Engineers. I work in the Little Rock District. However I LIVE in the Vicksburg District. In MY district I can detect any "predisturbed area" I wish and will have no problems with anyone.

However, in the Vicksburg District, who also is under Title 36 (like the rest of USACE) THEY make me fill out a "Special Use Permit CLMK Form 2286, dated Nov 92, for EACH and EVERY separate lake I detect. There are FIVE in my driving area. My brother detects with me and therefore we have to get TEN separate permits--just because Vicksburg is so uptight about the issue.

Recently, I spent 30 days in the Savannah District, but they have no restrictions. The Corps is consistently inconsistent.

Now, for those of you who are encountering gate attendants who are not receptive to you:

They are NOT Government employees. They are either volunteers or are paid varying salaries because they are CONTRACTUAL employees.

If you have one of these folks giving you grief, just ask them to call the duty ranger. That will settle it once and for all. They should become most docile. :)

Metal Detecting on Corps property is allowed, as long as it is in a pre-disturbed area. such as playgrounds and designated beaches.

My Special Use Permit (that I fill out) states I can detect ALL designated beaches and playgrounds. Recently I had a gate attendant that said, 'well, THIS beach is for campers ONLY.' I simply showed him my paperwork and asked him to call the duty ranger if he had an issue of my presence on the "camper only" beach.

If, for some reason, you wish to detect, say old foundations or anywhere else, you will need a Special Use Permit in order to do that. Each District has their own. However, you wil need to go to the specific PROJECT OFFICE of the lake you want to hunt to get your permit. Going to the District is a waste of time, believe me.

It's good to carry the blurbs i saw listed. Can't ever tell when you will have a "schoolboy" ranger (summer ranger) that has a badge, a clipboard and a new pick-up, that calls himself a "Ranger." In THAT case, you should show him the goods. IF he does not comply out of ignorance or arrogance, you should seek an appointment with the Supervisory Ranger at THAT particular Project Office.

Hope this helps you. Don't feel intimidated about detecting Corps land. Knowledge is power.

Now, Forest Service and National Parks land.....that's an entirely different issue.

Have a GREAT day. The days are getting shorter, so get with it while you can. :D

Arkie John
 
Thanks John, I appreciate the additional information. By the way, this was on Norfork Lake. I'm a bit north of you. Have a great weekend.
- Steve
 
Woods,

You're probably right but I have a major problem kissing the hiney of a snitty little bureaucratic wife, especially if I'm in the right, obeying the law and paying their damn salaries with my tax dollars. Patience is a virtue I don't posess if I need to get on my knees to enjoy Corps property legally.

I guess I look at things somewhat differently. By what right do these employees have to disturb me? Because they "think" they know the regulations doesn't mean that they do. My sense of justice would have their supervisor docking them for not knowing their job and the rules. There's something in the constitution about equal protection that these functionaries don't get. I can put up with a lot of bull when dealing with the general public but not with the people charged with oversight who get too full of themselves to think they might be wrong.

I admire those who can be patient and diplomatic while gently holding their ground. But sometimes I feel the world would be a better place if the tables got turned. If we're in the wrong we get kicked out or worse. But if they're wrong, what?? Maybe if they were docked for not knowing the regulations they'd be more careful about abusing their power. As detectorists we are always on the short end of the stick. So often the rules and regs are against us, often for no good reason. Should we be accosted by the caretakers when in the right, too?

Carl

 
That lake is is OUR (Little Rock) district. No permits are required.

What you have here is an overzealous gate attendant who has limited knowledge. Some of these old folks become entrenched, year after year at a certain campground and begin to think it's "their" lake. It is entirely possible, like someone stated, that they have a metal detector in their possession and just don't want the competition on "their" beach.

You need to make a trip to Mountain Home, to the Project Office and speak to the Supervisory Ranger. Call first, and get an appointment, just to be sure they will be there.

Or, you can call me Monday morning at 1 800 531 4270 or 501 324-5716 and ask for me, John Garrett. I will hook you up with the powers that be on that lake. That should take care of it. :)

aj
 
and don't have the knowledge or the authority to deny you access to hunting in the water or on the beaches and playgrounds.

Have a great day. <><

aj
 
She'll be down there till Oct.9,sending them down in pairs in rentals.She said she's some sort of Admin,so she'll do alot of estimates she guesses.Hopefully won't run into too many crazies there.Same goes for you.Good Luck!
 
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