CONVINCED I HAVE A PROBLEM V3 !!!!

[cloudbuster]

I went into yet another fresh paddock tonight with no powerlines which was cleared of hay bails only yesterday. I hit a target then struggle to find the main target area (there seems to be a huge delay the signal is given off way after i have passed the target. then the nightmare really begins. click the trigger into pinpoint mode and all you get is eaither a dull drone or rageing clangers going mad with a total inability to pinpoint the target !!! hit the analyse screen and vdi and graph are perfect for coin and then we dig a beer can !!!. The other thing i have noticed, i can raise the detector up to 18" above the ground and still get a signal telling me its only a couple of inches below. AAAAHHHH !!! I am now convinced there is a serious prob here. (prog running is coin and jewelry with RX down to three and discrim set to 75 and using 2.5mhz only)

One or two of you have mentioned it could be a duff coil. The only spare coil i have which i could try is the one i have on my prizm 6T (will this work on the V3 ????)

otherwise its gonna have to go back to the whites doctor me thinks (really Pi***d off !!!)

all the best rob

 

[Jason in TN]

Need a coil off a M6 DFX or MXT If you know any one who has one to try.

Jason

 

[jbow]

Lifting the coil is the way I ID aluminum cans with some detectors, notably the SovereignGT. It will ID a can as a quarter most every time but if I lift it 10" off the ground and it still signals "coin" I know it's not.

Try reclicking your pinpoint, mine sometimes gets stuck too. I just flip it back to the middle and into pinpoint again with the coil off the target, then swing it over the target. Try unchecking VCO under pinpoint and checking rachet instead. That might help.

As far as the analize screen, a can may well analize like a coin but the size will give it away. A coin will not still signal the same with the coil lifted a toot off the groung, this is a good thing if you use it to ID cans. I sometimes have a hard time telling canslaw from coins... with some detectors, I haven't really gotten into this with the V3 yet but I will make a point to. I have a site that is "eat up" with little bits of aluminum can, bad mineralization, and also was a CW cavalry camp... i'll go there and check it out.

When I first got my V3 I took it out with a bunch of my wifes gold and silver jewelry and some pulltabs and other trash... frankly, I could tell very little difference between a squaretab and most small gold rings using the analize screen. However, in the manual it states that if you use 22.5khz and turn "normalize" off the scale will be expanded in the lower range where small gold and pulltabs lie. It compresses the upper range though so be aware of that. Conversely, using the single frequency of 2.5 expands the TID range in the upper numbers when "normalize" is off. This could help you with telling some difference between a silver or copper coin and aluminum trash... but it compresses the lower range where the gold and squaretabs lie... so it is a tradeoff but maybe a good one.

Have you a different coil to try? Have you changed any settings? Try changing to a program that you have not used, like maybe "coin" instead of "coin and jewelry" to see if that helps. Or High Pro mixed instead of "high Pro". If any of that helps, go to expert>programs>restore> from library> and restore the factory program.

Good luck.

Julien

 

[ak_1234]

Hi Rob,

I tried to PM you, but apparently I can't. So, here goes...

Some older units made it through the distribution channel and have been sold before being caught. Can you check some things out for me?

First, are you running wireless headphones? If so, can you check the battery voltage on them? The older headphones did not turn off automatically with low voltage, but the newer ones do. So, go to the expert menu, scroll down to information and select information. Scroll down to battery and select battery. You should be able to see the wireless headphone battery voltage (need to have wireless HP enabled and on). Also, just above the battery indicator, the version number of the headphones should be displayed (if you are running v1.3 of the V). Version 1.1 should have the auto turn off, but V1.0 will not. Also, if you are running wireless headphones and the battery is not too low (should be running >1.7V), do you have any wired headphones that you can plug in? Can you try plugging them in and see if you are getting the same response? From your description, it sounds very much like the batteries in your WHP are too low.

ETA: Reread, I was hung up on the audio. But it doesn't sound like I thought it did...

Anne

 

[cloudbuster]

Hi Anne ... have checked the headphone voltage and it is showing 2.58 volts. i cant see anything in the info menu that shows the version number but when is scroll down on the start up it shows V3 version 1.1 the headphones do turn off automatically though which is a clever touch !!! i have had a really frustrating couple of days going from an absolute coin killer to a detector that is just plain unusable. the pinpoint has been a real problem with it just not working on many occasions with it just making random bleeping noises. the problem with delay when hitting a target is also very disconcerting and it can take ages to narrow down the target with no pinpoint facility !!!.
I have had many problems from the off with big hasle from overhead cables which i cant get within 50 metres of and having to turn the RX gain down to very low numbers just to stop the detector clattering .

the couple of days that i did have when all seemed ok the detector was a dream with target id very high with very little trash dug. all the fields i am currently digging all have a very similar soil composition so i am just foxed and very frustrated.

all help greatly recieved !!!

regards rob

 

[jbow]

Why...???

I ordered the 5.3 coil for the V. Would I gain anything from using some other coil. I am really not impressed with the stock 10" DD. I like a 10" DD as a general rule but I am wondering if this one is not bringing out the best in the V3.

Remember the Slimline 10" coil on the SE and what a difference the 11" Pro Coil made... it made a huge difference... just saying...

I'd love to see a copy of the Minelab Pro coil for the V3. I am a big proponent od DD coils but some are better than others.

Any coil suggestions for me? What is the best coil Whites ever made? What is the best aftermarket coil for Whites?

Julien

 

[Larry (IL)]

I would have to agree with you Rob, something is not right and I bet White's gets to the bottom of this. Out of curiosity, what is your battery voltage of the V? I had similar problems and a battery change fixed it for me.

Don't forget, you can send it in for your update and White's will check everything out. You might even get a brand new unit.......... Hint, Hint

 

[Carl-NC]

Rob,

I have something I'd like you to try. Please call the White's factory (541-367-6121) and ask for me, have your V3 handy.

Regards,
Carl

 

[Larry (IL)]

It would be hard to say Julien, Different ground, different coils, some works better than others. You just might have to test some and see what works best for you in your ground. I use the Pro coil as well as the D2 and I really don't notice any difference in depth with the respective machines. I would have to say there is not that much difference other than the Pro is one inch bigger.

 

[jbow]

Is your V3 anywhere near as stable as your ET or SE? Mine is not, but it certainly could be user error. I'm not slamming the machine or trying to say the ML is better, I honestly think that the V3 holds more potential and is probably a better machine... but I haven't gotten there yet. I am sure it is that I am not yet used to it. I've said before, this is my first Whites and it sort of remonds me of when I went from an F75 to an SE. I thought I would never learn to use the SE until finally I went to AM ferrous.... I am looking for the thing that is going to help me to understand the Whites... I think part of the problem is hunting in target poor sites with bad ground, but that is what I have to work with. Maybe tomorrow AM I will go over to the local sports complex and try it there. The targets will not be old but maybe it will help me to learn.

J

 

[cloudbuster]

hi carl i am in the uk what number should i dial ????

regards rob

 

[Larry (IL)]

It depends on how I have them adjusted. I use the SE Pro as well and it can be noisier than the V and vice-versa. It boils down to the fine tuning of the detector. I like to run both on the edge, so both are rather noisy to most users, but that is my choice.

 

[mickfin]

C/B try to RE-G/B in the area right wear your Hunting in, Mic

 

[Jason in TN]

Really like the 5.3 for areas with more trash. The pro would give more coverage but I do not think it gets a lot more depth than the stock DD.
Good choice on the 5.3 to go with the stock coil should help in trashy areas.

Jason

 

[Jason in TN]

Is your V3 anywhere near as stable as your ET or SE? Mine is not, but it certainly could be user error. I'm not slamming the machine or trying to say the ML is better, I honestly think that the V3 holds more potential and is probably a better machine... but I haven't gotten there yet. I am sure it is that I am not yet used to it. I've said before, this is my first Whites and it sort of remonds me of when I went from an F75 to an SE. I thought I would never learn to use the SE until finally I went to AM ferrous.... I am looking for the thing that is going to help me to understand the Whites... I think part of the problem is hunting in target poor sites with bad ground, but that is what I have to work with. Maybe tomorrow AM I will go over to the local sports complex and try it there. The targets will not be old but maybe it will help me to learn.

J

I have had all of the mention detectors and the E-trac The V3 will take some time if you are use to the mine lab. It is comparable for depth and performance. The reason I like it is that you can adapt much better with the V3 than the others. By the way I sold my E-trac after I got the Vision

 

[deathwind1]

The loop that is on sale I like much better that the one that comes with it--There is 2 on sale the12 super coil ($99) and the other one is like 9 or 91/2 ($49) thats the one I found out works good for a bigger coil and the 5.3 I like for a smaller coil--D.W.

 

[jbow]

Thanks,

I ordered the 5.3 with the coupon. I'm sure I will be getting another coil or two. Most of the ground I hunt is really mineralized.

Thanks for the help!

J

 

[Monte]

I ordered the 5.3 coil for the V.

My favorite "size" or "class" coil for most of White's models, and certainly on the V3 and MXT.

Would I gain anything from using some other coil.

I favor the 5.3 Eclipse (and some prefer the D-D Shooter coil) for general applications in day-to-day hunting. Ample depth for most site needs, and good trash handling and target ID info.

However, if I am searching a more open area, such as a sportsfield or a sandy beach or a plowed farm field, etc., then I like a larger coil for coverage. Maybe a little better depth, but certainly for coverage. My favorite on the MXT and V3 is the 950.

I am really not impressed with the stock 10" DD. I like a 10" DD as a general rule but I am wondering if this one is not bringing out the best in the V3.

I'd suggest you check with a local dealer or compare your 10" DD with someone else's 10" DD coil. I have had 4 DD coils (10") so far, and one just didn't work quite as well as the other three, but, that said, none of them worked as well for me as the 950 concentric.

We differ, however, because I am usually NOT a fan of Double-D coils and prefer a good concentric coil. It makes a lot of difference, however, based upon which make/model detector it is used on.

Remember the Slimline 10" coil on the SE and what a difference the 11" Pro Coil made... it made a huge difference.

Yes, a very pronounced difference. I didn't care for the thick, heavy, former coils and took to the 'slimline', but felt I lost in performance ... even though it, too, was a DD design. The 'Pro' coil made a definite difference. That's one reason I was pleased to see the 10" DD from White's to offer some level of coil competition.

.. just saying...I'd love to see a copy of the Minelab Pro coil for the V3. I am a big proponent od DD coils but some are better than others.

Quite true, some coils are better than others, and for ME, the 5.3 Eclipse and 950 are the best for my applications.

Any coil suggestions for me?

Check you 10" or, better still, when you get that 5.3 Eclipse hooked up just send your 10" DD to White's for a check-up. They can check it out and will make it right for you, and besides, once you mount the 5.3 Eclipse and use it for a few hours, you'll seldom want to remove it!

As for other coils, the 950 is a good one, and some will tout the Eclipse Double-D. It's an Okay coil, to be sure, but I have a new one (V stamped) that I haven't used yet and would gladly swap straight across for an equally unused V stamped 5.3 Eclipse.

What is the best coil Whites ever made?

Perhaps the better question is what is the best DETECTOR that White's has ever made, and then ask which are the best coils for it.

What is the best aftermarket coil for Whites?

For the MXT, M6, and V3 there are four that I have used with success.. In order of preference, they are the 5" DD Excelerator, 6" EQ2 DD Excelerator, and sort of tied are the 10" Excelerator and 10X12 SEF.

The 5" is a round-shaped, DD design that has an outside diameter just a tiny bit less than 5". The 5.3 Eclipse is about a 6

 

[jbow]

I am going to be trying the 5.3, I got it Saturday.

I will give the 950 another try. I have been prejudiced against it, i'll buy one and give it an honest try. I think my D2 is OK, i just need a bit of practice with it

Thanks,
Julien

 

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