Banshee89,here is an idea that you might try take your Vaquero outside and ground balnace it and when you are done lay it down on the ground,and then try the airtest.make sure that you have a good battery in there not the ones that come from a dollar store LOL!!! and check your cable that goes into the housing make sure that it is screwed in tight .And Monte that was an excellent post AIr test 5 to 6 inches on a dime just dosent sound right.
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Continuing saga of my Vaquero
- Thread starter homebre
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Thanks for the reply's and to add a little more information:
I use Killer Bee headphones
Name Brand batteries
my hearing is great
I just took my Silver and Vaquero outside to do a repeat air test. Now I understand its only a "airtest" but with all things equal...... my Silver is 1/2" deeper than the vaquero. Same location, both with stock coils, both with same battery, same coin, same headphones. I put the ground balance where the Tesoro manual says to put it during an air test, but even when I ground balance it on some nearby earth it does not make that much of a difference. I have noticed going negative will give it more depth..... but at 5.5" on a dime....... an extra 1" just puts the vaquero in the same league as the silver.
I purchase a 5.75 wide scan coil for the vaquero thinking maybe it was the coil... and I needed a small coil anyway..... but it still is a turd..... maybe 4 " on a silver dime.
I sent it out to Tesoro... and it checked fine.
here is the video I did when I first suspected things weren't right:
vaquero no depth
I can do a repeat video in the middle of a field but I can tell you.... after using it for 4 months... the results will be the same.
I was thinking of getting the new widescan coil offered by Tesoro for it.... but I am afraid that would be like putting lipstick on a pig. I like Tesoro and my Silver but as an upgrade.... I am seriously thinking of a Makro Racer unless I can get the Vaquero to show some results.
I am willing to take any suggestions and do more videos to show how it works.... Anything to make me feel like I did not just flush $500 down the toilet.
I cant even resell it the way it works. Honestly..... I should have just returned it the first week I suspected something was up...... but I figured I neededd more time with it. 4+ months later.... and I still just cant polish a turd.... and I tried.
On a side note..... in that first picture of the 1903 Barber quarter and silver Umaxx. That was about 7 to 8 inches down. I went right over the spot with the Vaquero and missed it. Checked the same area with the silver a few days later and found it. Might of just been that I missed that exact spot with the Vaquero, or the stars weren't aligned right, but results are results.... and the Vaquero just isn't putting out.
I use Killer Bee headphones
Name Brand batteries
my hearing is great
I just took my Silver and Vaquero outside to do a repeat air test. Now I understand its only a "airtest" but with all things equal...... my Silver is 1/2" deeper than the vaquero. Same location, both with stock coils, both with same battery, same coin, same headphones. I put the ground balance where the Tesoro manual says to put it during an air test, but even when I ground balance it on some nearby earth it does not make that much of a difference. I have noticed going negative will give it more depth..... but at 5.5" on a dime....... an extra 1" just puts the vaquero in the same league as the silver.
I purchase a 5.75 wide scan coil for the vaquero thinking maybe it was the coil... and I needed a small coil anyway..... but it still is a turd..... maybe 4 " on a silver dime.
I sent it out to Tesoro... and it checked fine.
here is the video I did when I first suspected things weren't right:
vaquero no depth
I can do a repeat video in the middle of a field but I can tell you.... after using it for 4 months... the results will be the same.
I was thinking of getting the new widescan coil offered by Tesoro for it.... but I am afraid that would be like putting lipstick on a pig. I like Tesoro and my Silver but as an upgrade.... I am seriously thinking of a Makro Racer unless I can get the Vaquero to show some results.
I am willing to take any suggestions and do more videos to show how it works.... Anything to make me feel like I did not just flush $500 down the toilet.
I cant even resell it the way it works. Honestly..... I should have just returned it the first week I suspected something was up...... but I figured I neededd more time with it. 4+ months later.... and I still just cant polish a turd.... and I tried.
On a side note..... in that first picture of the 1903 Barber quarter and silver Umaxx. That was about 7 to 8 inches down. I went right over the spot with the Vaquero and missed it. Checked the same area with the silver a few days later and found it. Might of just been that I missed that exact spot with the Vaquero, or the stars weren't aligned right, but results are results.... and the Vaquero just isn't putting out.
NOT an engineer, but one who has been involved in this industry a long time, and have spoken with many of the detector designers and/or their engineers about such things, here's my take on some issues we're discussing.
Second, it will depend on the quality level and intense fine-tuning the maker tries to do with a detector's circuitry.
Third, and a key factor in #2, is how tight the tolerance is of the various components used in the circuitry design. For example, when I worked for Compass Electronics in the latter '80s and helped introduce their new Scanner series, there were a lot of issues with different sample models that were sent out to Field Testers and some avid Distributors, Dealers or key individuals. The mail cause with many of the design problems is they were still using older components they had in stock from earlier TR models and many of those components were ±5% tolerance and that's too sloppy for modern designs. They should have been more like ± 1% tolerance.
So it really is a matter of the components used as well as how high-tech the circuitry design is. If there are sloppy components used, or just a more coarse circuitry design, there is a greater likelihood you will see some models that are maybe a little weaker or hotter than the norm.
Monte
First, there can be differences in detector design based on whether they are an all analog design, a blended analog/digital design, or an almost complete digital circuitry detector.Elton said:
Second, it will depend on the quality level and intense fine-tuning the maker tries to do with a detector's circuitry.
Third, and a key factor in #2, is how tight the tolerance is of the various components used in the circuitry design. For example, when I worked for Compass Electronics in the latter '80s and helped introduce their new Scanner series, there were a lot of issues with different sample models that were sent out to Field Testers and some avid Distributors, Dealers or key individuals. The mail cause with many of the design problems is they were still using older components they had in stock from earlier TR models and many of those components were ±5% tolerance and that's too sloppy for modern designs. They should have been more like ± 1% tolerance.
So it really is a matter of the components used as well as how high-tech the circuitry design is. If there are sloppy components used, or just a more coarse circuitry design, there is a greater likelihood you will see some models that are maybe a little weaker or hotter than the norm.
Monte
Sven
Well-known member
Try ground balancing to a ferrite rod, core balance by bringing it no closer than 1 to 1/12" from the coil.
Sweep the ferrite across the coil, check response in disc mode on both machines disc set to iron.
Set sensit just into the red zone. And or try at 75%
Should be similar.
Now air test your coins again, this time use a copper penny not a modern day zinc-a-dink.
Then test a nickel and a gold ring.
Then turn your ground balance back 1/8 turn counter clockwise, check your results again.
To be average the Silver should get a copper penny at 7" with the brown donut coil. 8" air test depth can be considered better than average.
The average Compadre would be 5-6-7" on a penny.
Appears to be a true gamble when buying a Tesoro, you never know what your going to get, like a box of chocolates.
There was a point when the Vaquaro was claimed to be deeper and out perform the Tejon. Just search for Magnum's and the Govenor's posts on Findmall.
About a four month saga, drama....................seems like the latest models have pollution controls added to the circuits...you know what happened to the muscle cars of the 70's.
Tesoro needs to get on the ball and Turbo charge. Tesoros are now made in China?
Sweep the ferrite across the coil, check response in disc mode on both machines disc set to iron.
Set sensit just into the red zone. And or try at 75%
Should be similar.
Now air test your coins again, this time use a copper penny not a modern day zinc-a-dink.
Then test a nickel and a gold ring.
Then turn your ground balance back 1/8 turn counter clockwise, check your results again.
To be average the Silver should get a copper penny at 7" with the brown donut coil. 8" air test depth can be considered better than average.
The average Compadre would be 5-6-7" on a penny.
Appears to be a true gamble when buying a Tesoro, you never know what your going to get, like a box of chocolates.
There was a point when the Vaquaro was claimed to be deeper and out perform the Tejon. Just search for Magnum's and the Govenor's posts on Findmall.
About a four month saga, drama....................seems like the latest models have pollution controls added to the circuits...you know what happened to the muscle cars of the 70's.
Tesoro needs to get on the ball and Turbo charge. Tesoros are now made in China?
toss the turd and get another one 
you might get lucky !!
fine tuning the GB is not so easy if wanting pure depth , I use another machine for depth but that's another story.
seriously I was amazed at the depth lost on a big silver ring that I wear on my thumb ( I have big hands) when copper was hitting fine just a small adjustment to the GB like 1/16 of a turn can make a huge difference.
so I can GB to the ring and get amazing bench test depth with a NEL 12 x 13 coil its only for me to learn how to set my detector to work at its best and we all want that.
I use Tesoro's for modern coin and jewellery hunting so depth is not that important to me, but yes if hunting old silver the right GB adjustment would be very important !! more than it is for me, but it also can turn the trash down if I am looking for modern higher conductive coins with the GB or turn them up if looking for gold.
keep fiddling, but I do agree there are good, better and best Tesoro's, I have been pretty lucky I think so there are more better ones than not.
AJ
you might get lucky !!fine tuning the GB is not so easy if wanting pure depth , I use another machine for depth but that's another story.
seriously I was amazed at the depth lost on a big silver ring that I wear on my thumb ( I have big hands) when copper was hitting fine just a small adjustment to the GB like 1/16 of a turn can make a huge difference.
so I can GB to the ring and get amazing bench test depth with a NEL 12 x 13 coil its only for me to learn how to set my detector to work at its best and we all want that.
I use Tesoro's for modern coin and jewellery hunting so depth is not that important to me, but yes if hunting old silver the right GB adjustment would be very important !! more than it is for me, but it also can turn the trash down if I am looking for modern higher conductive coins with the GB or turn them up if looking for gold.
keep fiddling, but I do agree there are good, better and best Tesoro's, I have been pretty lucky I think so there are more better ones than not.
AJ
JimGilmore
Active member
One thing I think a lot of people do is make the asumption that the markings on the detector are accurate.
Just because it says foil or nickle or such does not mean that the dial/knob was installed just at the correct angle. You might sometime try using coins and a small allen wrench to remove the knob and find out were the nickels really drop out and re-adjust the knob..
Just because it says foil or nickle or such does not mean that the dial/knob was installed just at the correct angle. You might sometime try using coins and a small allen wrench to remove the knob and find out were the nickels really drop out and re-adjust the knob..