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Continuing saga of my Vaquero

homebre

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As I have posted before, I have been disappointed in the depth I have been getting on lead relics with my Vaq. I sent it to Rusty for a check and he retuned the coil. I did some air testing just to check, and can get about 11 to 12 " in AM or low DISC with a silver quarter. With a minnieball I only get 8" with AM or DISC. Other people I have chatted with say they get up to 17" with DISC on air testing with a minnieball. Is may VAQ particularly "unhot"?
Thanks.
Andy from Hillsborough

p.s. Can someone PM me Rusty Henry's phone number so I can chat with him. I left the number at home.
 
homebre said:
I did some air testing just to check, and can get about 11 to 12 " in AM or low DISC with a silver quarter. With a minnieball I only get 8" with AM or DISC. Other people I have chatted with say they get up to 17" with DISC on air testing with a minnieball. Is may VAQ particularly "unhot"?
Thanks.
Andy from Hillsborough

Don't believe everything you read. Air testing using the silver quarter, your Vaq. seems to be about right and about average.
The most I could get out of the Tejons I had was 13" on a silver quarter air testing to give you some idea.

I think many people use a Fisherman's ruler.
 
As you have sent the detector back to Tesoro to have it checked out,i would tend to accept that those are the average depths that you would get with that size find,as a few others have mention i would tend to take what other folks have mentioned depth wise with a 'pinch of salt' infact a 'big pinch'

Detecting and Fishing do seem to have alot in common especially the world famous fishing ruler :rofl: :rofl:

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It maybe possibly to increase the depth by a very small amount over what you are all ready getting by adjusting all the settings spot on,but to increase from what you are finding and also after Tesoro have checked the machine over to what other's have mentioned that is highly un-likely,but of course i could be wrong and the elite Vaquero owners could show you a way.

What ever the outcome good luck.
 
That seems about right! My Tejon won't get but 10-12" in disc mode on a quarter. I have never used it civil war relic hunting but I do have some 54 cal Minnie balls I can airtest and report findings. I usually on use PI in mineralized areas I only get to hunt for CW relics.
 
A posting made on another forum with this video.
Ever swing your coil that fast while hunting?
From what I see here, if all your Vaquaros can't duplicate this test, you might as well sell them off now, you own dogs.
Now doesn't it make you wonder how really inconsistent Tesoro detectors are within a given model.........if the variance is 8" to 17"
Why would I now ever want to buy another brand new Tesoro when quality control is lacking???



"For all the non believers"
" My vaquero will do the same. The new 8 x 11 dd coil is even deeper. If you don't have that coil Michigan you need to get it. "
"17" air, could you test in actual ground at 17" and make a video or give results?? "

Watch the Video by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0xVkU2eE-E&feature=youtu.be
 
Hell they will all make a beep with sens maxed out and threshold halfway super tuned! Could anyone actually hunt this way and not go stir crazy? I hope this is not what you guys are are baseing your machines performance on.
 
Homebre, I did the airtest with a 58 cal minnie and the Tejon. I get 11.5" repeatable signal in disc mode and 13" in AM. The Tejon cannot be supertuned. Turn your Vaq wide open with threshold at 2:30 and do your airtest. You should have pretty close to same results as the video.

When I had a Vaq I didn't hunt with it all the way supertuned because you lose the ability to tell depth and size of targets by the audio and it eats the battery up quicker. I would however tweak threshold up to 2-3 o'clock if I was looking for deeper, older targets.
 
Fletch88 i am going to post a video of Keith Southern where he is power balancing the Tejon,and anyone that knows Keith knows that he is an expert. I dont know if power balancing is the same thing as supertuned but i beleive that it is.when i post it go to the 10:50 mark.he is power balancing this baby. [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKd555l9N4[/video]
 
bigjon said:
I dont know if power balancing is the same thing as supertuned but i beleive that it is.
No, they are diofferent.

I used to use 'Hyper-Tune' with many earlier Tesoro's [size=small](and a few other brands)[/size] to describe bumping up the Threshold control to add more oomph to the Discriminate mode audio response. The problem was that it then makes the Threshold-based All Metal mode useless. Tesoro later started using the term 'Super-Tune' to describe this same technique.

'Power Balancing' is one of the other terms I coined a name for to describe a technique used to Ground Balance a silent-search Tesoro [size=small](or other model)[/size] in the Discriminate mode to achieve a peak GB setting for that mode. Generally, this results in a somewhat negative GB in the All Metal mode due to the circuitry design Tesoro used to couple the GB control for the two search modes.

So 'Power Balancing' is a Ground Balance adjustment and 'Super-Tuning' is a Threshold adjustment. To achieve the latter, the Threshold setting has to be coupled with the Discriminate mode and in some models, it isn't.

Monte
 
Yes, I've watched and continue to watch all Keith's videos. I do get more depth with machine balanced on the negative side. Super tuned and power balanced are 2 seperate things.
 
I feel your pain.

I have been a lurker on these forums for some time but I am a regular member over at %$^&%# metal detecting forum.... I cant keep up with a lot of forums so I try to limit my memberships.

Well... I joined here just so I could comment on your Vaquero problems and would like to add that I am having the exact same problems with a new unit I purchased in February.

I am extremely disappointed with my Vaquero. All these test on youtube showing great depth capabilities, and yes, some of them can be stretched a little like a fish story, but its hard to modify a video and the results I see in the video appear to be legit. I can see peoples settings in the videos and I can set mine up the exact same way..... so why..... O WHY..... can mine only get 5.5" MAX on a dime? That is in the air or in the ground. I have been using it all season and I can confirm that 5 to 6" is about max to find a silver dime in mild soil. Yes.... I can super tune it and crank it up all the way to get a little more depth... but who the hell can hunt like that? It just gets so noisy.

I sent it in to Tesoro just as you did and it came back with a clean bill of health.

At this point it is about the same depth as my silver Umaxx except my Silver Umaxx has better discrimination, weighs less, and is not as chatty. Although I must admitt..... my silver Umaxx seems super hot compared to others. Is there some truth to comments that some Tesoros are better than others even within the same model? Im beginning to think that is the case.

So I have a Vaquero that is a turd and a super hot Silver Umaxx.... I guess.


and I do find coins.... so I do kind of understand how to dirt fish. Or at least pretend to.

here are a few nice ones from the past month or so.

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Notice anything missing? That would be a picture of my Vaquero actually finding anything.
 
banshee89 said:
Is there some truth to comments that some Tesoros are better than others even within the same model? Im beginning to think that is the case.
Yes, there is truth to this, and having been very involved in using Tesoro's, and a Dealer from '83 thru '04, I often compared several new models out-of-the-box and, from time-to-time, you could handle one that was a little 'wimpy' or one that was just a bit 'hotter.'

Possible causes?

• Control settings used.
• Ground Balance setting, especially if internally preset.
• Search coil, because there can be some variance in the coil's 'spec' to be working at an optimum or not.
• Mainly a choice of components use and/or the particular unit's circuitry assembly.

Even now I have had a bit of a struggle finding former models, the past two or three years, that could match or exceed the performance I get from my 'original' Bandido. I have come across some Silver Sabre II's that were a little on the weaker side, and have had some Bandido and Bandido II models that were also a little 'sleepy' with a softer or weaker audio response. I have owned and parted with several Bandido II µMAX models in recent years, some of which worked just fine, and some just didn't impress me more than my old standard Bandido.

In this past seven or eight weeks I have been extremely fortunate as I happened upon an exceptionally clean, mar-free Bandido II µMAX and Silver Sabre µMAX, a really nice looking Bandido II and a Silver Sabre II that only has a blemish scuff on a side decal. All work quite well!

Yesterday I made a sale/trade deal and nabbed the most pristine condition Eldorado [size=small](µMAX size)[/size] model I have seen since I opened a brand new one in the box. It didn't work properly, which might be why someone parted with it in the first place. It took me about 20-30 minutes to fix the problem once I found the little wire inside and moved it to re-route the position so it eliminated the contact that shorted it out.

Then I checked it out against my other 5 Tesoro models and all is well as they all work great in a dense iron nail comparison. As for your Vaquero issue, I have had 3 or 4 Vaqueros, the first two coming from the same batch as their serial numbers with only a few digits off on the last number. I got two because a fellow wanted one, and I kept the more responsive/hottest of the two. It wasn't a lot of difference, and most people wouldn't notice it, but I could tell.


banshee89 said:
So I have a Vaquero that is a turd and a super hot Silver Umaxx µMAX or [size=small]micro[/size]MAX .... I guess. ... and I do find coins .... so I do kind of understand how to dirt fish. Or at least pretend to.
It is possible that your Silver µMAX is a little more sensitive, or it has a better search coil that's more 'in tune,' or that you have a wimpy Vaquero and/or search coil.

Nice clear photos, by the way, and I'm glad to see you're doing well and, most likely, finding some unhunted older sites to search.


banshee89 said:
Notice anything missing? That would be a picture of my Vaquero actually finding anything.
:rofl: I'm sure it works, and it could be that it just isn't quite what you want to hear. Oh, that could also be a problem for you, depending upon your hearing ability. One reason I didn't like the Vaquero's I had was that they had a lower-tone audio that is more difficult for me to discern with my impaired hearing. I prefer a higher-tone audio frequency.

Try hunting more with your Vaquero or try different headphones. Those can also make a difference based upon your hearing abilities or limitations.

Monte
 
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