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Considering an AT PRO but a few ?'s 1st.
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beep-digger
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John,
Thank you very much for your valued input.
Just out of curiosity, both machines being 15 khz units, and only a slightly larger coil footprint for the AT Pro... one would assume similar detection depth.....what makes the AT detect deeper?
Thank you very much for your valued input.
Just out of curiosity, both machines being 15 khz units, and only a slightly larger coil footprint for the AT Pro... one would assume similar detection depth.....what makes the AT detect deeper?
It would be the newer technology that makes the AT Pro deeper. The engineers put a lot of work into designing this machine.
beep-digger
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Thanks John. Happy hunting !!!
Dan.
Dan.
John, I have been seriously thinking about trying an AT PRO, then a post comes along just like the one you just made, or by someone else, and it just turns me off from trying one. My first thoughts immediately are, more AT PRO hype. First of all, having to "bundle up" a detector to keep it warm so one can hunt in sub freezing tempetures doesn't appeal
Check out Larry at NWI he is a Finds Forum Sponsor and he is in NW Indiana. I don't know how far from you he is but he would probably let you try one out. It is very important that you try and buy your detector from your local dealer. They can help you set it up, show you how to use it, let you try it out, help you with any problems that arise, tell you about local clubs, local laws, and they may even take you hunting. That is much more important than trying to save some dollars. If you don't have a local dealer or you don't have one that is knowledgable and actually uses the detectors find one on line that does. Most salesmen on the big web sites don't use detectors and kids that sell them in department stores don't either. I have had people drive from as far as 250 miles one way for me to check out and set up their detector because all the salesmen at that big web site could tell them was to send it back in to the manufacturer. It kinda seems like everyone is really too quick to send in their detectors for every little thing now which is swamping the service technicians instead of learning their detector or having a knowledgable dealer to help them.
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The AT Pro runs fine on lithium ion batteries in extreme cold. You don't have to wrap it up for warmth. And, as mentioned, there are no knobs to freeze up on you.
John, I was going to let your comments pass, that is why I cut my earlier post short and then couldn't get it edited in time, but will now finish what I started to say.
First off, saying that knobs is old technology is like saying the wheel, which has been around since the cave men, is now old technology, too. I beg to differ with you on both accounts. I can't state that I have hunted in sub zero temps, but have been close with my Fishers and have yet to have a knob freeze tight.
Secondly, I grant you that much of the AT's new technology is new to Garrett, but not altogether so with several other U S companies. It appears Garrett in now finally catching up.
John, I started to say I am one that is setting on the fence and trying to make a decision on whether to give the AT PRO a try. I continue to set on the fence, as there is and has been so much hype about this detector that I have found it very tough to determine fact from fiction. Dozens stated there was no falsing problem with the first run AT's. Many out of these same dozens have now sent their AT's back to Garrett to get this "no falsing" issue taken care of. And as of this moment, not one word has been said by Garrett about this wide spread problem. Good customer service? I guess one could say that, as they seemingly are being fixed.
Anyway, good facts and less hype might, or might not, sway some of us into giving the AT a try. JMHO, anyway. HH jim tn
First off, saying that knobs is old technology is like saying the wheel, which has been around since the cave men, is now old technology, too. I beg to differ with you on both accounts. I can't state that I have hunted in sub zero temps, but have been close with my Fishers and have yet to have a knob freeze tight.
Secondly, I grant you that much of the AT's new technology is new to Garrett, but not altogether so with several other U S companies. It appears Garrett in now finally catching up.
John, I started to say I am one that is setting on the fence and trying to make a decision on whether to give the AT PRO a try. I continue to set on the fence, as there is and has been so much hype about this detector that I have found it very tough to determine fact from fiction. Dozens stated there was no falsing problem with the first run AT's. Many out of these same dozens have now sent their AT's back to Garrett to get this "no falsing" issue taken care of. And as of this moment, not one word has been said by Garrett about this wide spread problem. Good customer service? I guess one could say that, as they seemingly are being fixed.
Anyway, good facts and less hype might, or might not, sway some of us into giving the AT a try. JMHO, anyway. HH jim tn
Jim,
For unbiased reports on the AT Pro and Gold Bug Se (now the Pro), just follow Keith Southern's posts. He has used both, and liked both, but I believe he is sticking with the AT Pro for now. He has posted the pluses and minuses of both machines, on the various forums. His reports are very detailed, and he doesn't make assumptions after one hour of use, or based only on air testing. He gives real world feedback.
Yes, there is some Garrett hype here in the forum...folks are excited about the AT Pro. They waited a long time for a machine in this weight class. John-Edmonton is a good dude...no need to get in a snit with him...but, he is an unabashed Garrett supporter. If you go to the Gold Bug/G2 forum...you'll find First Texas supporters who are dismissive of the AT Pro without ever trying one. The point is, when seeking feedback, I put a lot of stock in the comments of posters who have used a variety of machines form different manufacturers.
I currently run a Tek Omega and a GTI 2500...the advantages of the AT Pro, in my mind: price for performance, ability to accurately identify iron (Omega struggles with this), waterproof housing, and perhaps the ability to handle EMI (another Omega issue at some sites...but I'm not parting with it...another good price for performance machine).
I enjoy your posts on the other forums.
HH, Eric
For unbiased reports on the AT Pro and Gold Bug Se (now the Pro), just follow Keith Southern's posts. He has used both, and liked both, but I believe he is sticking with the AT Pro for now. He has posted the pluses and minuses of both machines, on the various forums. His reports are very detailed, and he doesn't make assumptions after one hour of use, or based only on air testing. He gives real world feedback.
Yes, there is some Garrett hype here in the forum...folks are excited about the AT Pro. They waited a long time for a machine in this weight class. John-Edmonton is a good dude...no need to get in a snit with him...but, he is an unabashed Garrett supporter. If you go to the Gold Bug/G2 forum...you'll find First Texas supporters who are dismissive of the AT Pro without ever trying one. The point is, when seeking feedback, I put a lot of stock in the comments of posters who have used a variety of machines form different manufacturers.
I currently run a Tek Omega and a GTI 2500...the advantages of the AT Pro, in my mind: price for performance, ability to accurately identify iron (Omega struggles with this), waterproof housing, and perhaps the ability to handle EMI (another Omega issue at some sites...but I'm not parting with it...another good price for performance machine).
I enjoy your posts on the other forums.
HH, Eric
Thanks, Eric. It certainly was not my intent to get into s snit with John, or anyone else, for that matter.
You mention Keith, and it is his comments concerning the now two AT's he has that has continued to peak my interest in the AT. I put a good deal of stock in what he says, as he is one that uses a variety of detectors and also has to deal with some tough ground. The same, too, though, can be said for Garrett supporters being dismissive of other makes without ever trying them. This is obvious on all forums, for that matter.
Hope spring is close for you up there.
HH jim tn
You mention Keith, and it is his comments concerning the now two AT's he has that has continued to peak my interest in the AT. I put a good deal of stock in what he says, as he is one that uses a variety of detectors and also has to deal with some tough ground. The same, too, though, can be said for Garrett supporters being dismissive of other makes without ever trying them. This is obvious on all forums, for that matter.
Hope spring is close for you up there.
HH jim tn
I can appreciate you sitting on the fence Jim....there is a lot of information out there, to sift through, digest and apply to your own hunting characteristics. And the knobs aren't an issue to you because of your hunting preferences. Also I try make it a point of not putting down Fishers, Tesoros, Minelabs etc. This is a Garrett forum, so I try to speak mostly about Garretts. However, those knobs do get stuck and wear out in sub zero temperatures as experienced in the past, and a lot of people do go metal detecting in sub zero temperatures, and join others who choose to go out in those temperatures to ski, snowshoe, hike, skate, play hockey etc. Not everyone wants to stay cooped up indoors for a lengthy time. It's all about choices. If knobs work great for you, not a problem, however, there are issues with them where I live.
If you think Garrett's technology is finally catching up, well kudos to Garrett. Everybody wins!
There has been an incredible amount of information posted about the AT Pro. Some fact, some not so fact and some posted by individuals with bias and an invested interest to do so. In most cases, It becomes quite obvious as to which those posters are. And, this happens each time a new metal detector is released, be it from Garrett, Fisher, Minelab Tesoro etc. And add to that some had some issues when they received their AT Pro. However, they were promptly repaired, returned as has been the excellent customer service & warranty policy of Garrett as far back as I can remember. It's a done deal. How many were faulty? Only Garrett knows, and what's important is that Garrett repaired them. Some people just won't let this issue go....... I could fill up pages about about all the complaints, manufacturer issues, manufacturers quality control issues and the many warts that other makes too possess, but as previously mentioned, I prefer to only discuss Garrett's brands. And going to their forums to spread discontent is just not my cup of tea. If you are considering buying an AT pro and are worried about it's performance just ask the dealer to try it out before he sends it to you.
And, as I have suggested to many others, go to the various forums, read the posts, read between the lines, ask lots of questions and look at the types of targets being found. Let your wallet and gut feeling be your guide.
Good luck with whatever metal detector you choose Jim. Put in the time, learn it to the point where you can tell it what is under the coil, not the other way around, then you will have the BEST metal detector that's available.
John
If you think Garrett's technology is finally catching up, well kudos to Garrett. Everybody wins!
There has been an incredible amount of information posted about the AT Pro. Some fact, some not so fact and some posted by individuals with bias and an invested interest to do so. In most cases, It becomes quite obvious as to which those posters are. And, this happens each time a new metal detector is released, be it from Garrett, Fisher, Minelab Tesoro etc. And add to that some had some issues when they received their AT Pro. However, they were promptly repaired, returned as has been the excellent customer service & warranty policy of Garrett as far back as I can remember. It's a done deal. How many were faulty? Only Garrett knows, and what's important is that Garrett repaired them. Some people just won't let this issue go....... I could fill up pages about about all the complaints, manufacturer issues, manufacturers quality control issues and the many warts that other makes too possess, but as previously mentioned, I prefer to only discuss Garrett's brands. And going to their forums to spread discontent is just not my cup of tea. If you are considering buying an AT pro and are worried about it's performance just ask the dealer to try it out before he sends it to you.
And, as I have suggested to many others, go to the various forums, read the posts, read between the lines, ask lots of questions and look at the types of targets being found. Let your wallet and gut feeling be your guide.
Good luck with whatever metal detector you choose Jim. Put in the time, learn it to the point where you can tell it what is under the coil, not the other way around, then you will have the BEST metal detector that's available.
John
Lots of good replies...Thanks I think I will probably get an AT Pro to go along with my current arsenal of detectors it will get a chance to go head to head with detectors I have spent a lot of time using. I will use the AT next to my MXT comparing target responses learning the + $ -'s of both detectors with different coils. I will get the kids using it comparing it to the new coin master I bought for them. an opportunity to learn a machine with more control-ability. Thanks again. Chris
Jim brought up some very good points. I was not offended in any way. Life is too short, metal detecting is a hobby and hobbies were meant to be enjoyed. 
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I'll stay out of the brand comments, but are you possibly mistaken in assuming today's "knobs" as you put it are all physically and functionally the same as the mechanical wire wound or disc potentiometers of yesteryear? Knobs themselves don't freeze up, but the old fashioned potentiometer "built back in the day" that I suspect you're referring to, could. I believe some of todays manufacturers choose to use a rotary control as a consious choice to address customer preference of more analog-like controls even though under the hood, they perform differently. Given this, and if you believe it, you would be more accurate to gig the consumer instead of the manufacturer. With today's designs, LCD's are most apt to be affected by extreme cold temps instead of the potentiometers whether they just are bit input devices or actual potentiometers. I've noticed that Garrett apparently doesn't provide a spec for operating temperature or humidity around the AT Pro in the manual whereas others do. (Did I miss that somewhere?) Maybe that means the AT will operate in hell before, during, and after when it freezes over, or maybe not. Just kidding! 
I can say personally that I've witnessed more issues with pushbutton controls and their longevity across all brands than rotary controls in the very recent or current offerings. I think perhaps they make the latter a little differently than they did in the 70's and 80's and design better control box and shaft sealing in order to keep foreign material out. I would also go out on a limb, and maybe you know the actual answer so correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect the choice for pushbutton controls on the AT was more around re-utilizing Ace-like designs, space restrictions, and lower cost given it's submersible specification. (?)
I can say personally that I've witnessed more issues with pushbutton controls and their longevity across all brands than rotary controls in the very recent or current offerings. I think perhaps they make the latter a little differently than they did in the 70's and 80's and design better control box and shaft sealing in order to keep foreign material out. I would also go out on a limb, and maybe you know the actual answer so correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect the choice for pushbutton controls on the AT was more around re-utilizing Ace-like designs, space restrictions, and lower cost given it's submersible specification. (?)Finally found local dealer,but he only special orders the at pro. Not for sure i want to buy from him anyway he said it would cost about $3000 for a minelab e-tec,after that we didnt talk about the at pro any more. He mostly advised me that there was better machines and when on to try to sell me what he liked. His loss
You do have a lousy local dealer. It sounds like he just wanted to make lots more money off of you by selling you a more expensive detector that he makes more profit off of instead of selling you what you want and the best detector for you. Like I mentioned in my post below, you need a dealer that actually uses the detector you are going to buy. That way he can help you with any questions you may want to ask. Email me at [email subject=graytcote]graytcote@cox.net[/email] or call me at 918-906-9912. I have everything you want and need to get you out there hunting right away.
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