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Coiltek WOT 15 vs 12 x 15 SEF ?

There is also a 12x10 SEF coil for the Sovereign on Kellyco. It's harder to find because the site doesn't pop it up unless you go to the right location. Just search around and you'll find it. They told me it was a flaw in the way the website was set up and nobody has got around to fixing it.
 
Critter,
COOL !!.....We're on the same page for sure !!.....I DID find the 12 x 10 coil ....Thank you !!..... I will be ordering a 15 x 12 SEF for the Sovereign GT that i have coming this week ....I am going to be setting that machine up primarily as my beach machine .... Unless I get into the wet sand , or closer to it , the dry sand by me is not nearly as mineralized ....This being said, if the Minelab technology on the Sovereign is anywhere close to what it is on the E Trac , ( I believe that the Sovereign is as good and maybe better in some cases ) then the 15 x 12 coil absolutely SMOKES the Pro Coil on the E Trac , so it should BURY the 10 " Tornado coil !!.... The Pro Coil is no sloutch at all ....It's a great coil on the E Trac, but the 12 x 15 is just so much more quiet and surely runs deeper ...I will borrow my buddies 12 x 15 and do the burried coin tests that you would like to see ....I will document the soil condiditions and all , and let you know my findings on the E Trac compared to the Pro Coil ....I will then order the 12 x 15 for the Sovereign and test that next to the 10 inxh Tornado coil that will be coming on my Sovereign GT ... I'll be bringing the Soereign setup to the beach for my first go around ....I'm bringing my BIG shovel for that test because I'm sure that I'll be down over a foot deep on a dime with the 12 x 15 ..... My buddy read a clad quarter at 15 inches loud and clear using his 12 x 15 on the beach already ..... He had no trouble at all with the ID either ....He said it rang out like it was only 3 inched deep or something similar ......Understand that this is in low mineralized soil .....The test that I'm sure you will be interested in will be in soil that has SOME kind of minerals in it to compare to what you are dealing with there where you are ...... I'll keep you posted ......Thanks for the clarification on the 2 pm setting ..... It's good to see that we're working from the same page .... Jim
 
I'm greatly looking forward to your tests and reports on all the above. I *love* this sort of testing. Just make sure there are no iron (threshold will null) or any other items in the ground for a good distance around where you plan to stick the coin in the ground to do the tests. The way I do that is to first scan the spot in auto and then at various settings of the sensitivity. It's a little tricky but you'll find that the spot might look like it has iron in the ground only because you've now raised sensitivity too high and thus it's nulling out from that. The trick to deciding which is which is by slowly moving the coil around over the same area. If it doesn't consistently null then you can bet there is no iron and that it's just sensitivity being too high. After all that then stick the coin down in the ground. A good starting point is like 7". If you can hear it fine over a wide range on the dial then stick it another 2" down. You'll reach a point where the only good ID (or at least the easiest one to obtain with less work) will be a very specific spot on the dial. I sometimes take a good ten minutes playing with sensitivity and all that to calibrate it because once I find that sweet spot I'll re-do the entire range of sensitivity all over again, going to high and too low, until I confirm at least 3 times that the same spot on the dial is producing the best or at least easiest ID. Also, don't charge your position over the target when doing this. Often the coin will be easier to ID swept from one direction versus at another angle. Keep your feet in the same spot. Best way is to move the dial a bit then do short/fast wiggles over the coin with the coil just barely skimming the top of the ground as you'd normal hunt. You don't want to scrub hard if that's not the way you normally search. You want to have the coil at the height you normally hunt at, which for most people is just kissing the top of the grass blades.

Once you do all that jazz above and find the "perfect" spot for the sensitivity then do some normal wider sweeping over the coin. Increase and decrease your sweep speed and notice which speed seems to hit hardest/best on the target while in normal "search mode" like this. Try to use that speed when hunting now because as some of us have found sweep speed for best depth is tied somewhat directly to the sensitivity setting. The lower the setting the faster the sweep needs to be, and the higher the setting the slower. What is interesting to note though is that I'm calibrating by doing the short/fast wiggle. Most people believe that gives the best ID on a deep target, and as a result I would guess that's also why my sensitivity setting ends up being pretty darn low. If you were say calibrate sensitivity on the dime by doing a normal and slow sweep speed then perhaps you'd end up with a higher sensitivity setting. However, I don't think that will give the same depth since the "wiggle" has always been said to give deepest/best ID. What I'm saying is that with that calibration method it ends up being that what I would call a medium sweep speed in search mode seems to give the best hit while searching for me. Once a target is hit on, though, wiggle short fast over it. Don't assume it's junk because your normal search sweep gives a junky response or something lower in a VDI # on the scale. You'll be surprised to find that the wiggle can take a junk or "tab" like signal and turn it into a perfect coin signal. That's why I keep saying to listen for any reaction of the threshold, be it a null, junk response, or whatever...and wiggle fast/short over that target to see if it's going to morph into a good signal you'd want to dig.

I'd also like to see you do some head to head comparisons of that Etrac and Sovereign using various coils. You said "I believe that the Sovereign is as good and maybe better in some cases (than the Etrac)". I also believe this, that the GT can get deeper and give cleaner ID's than the Explorer or Etrac if conditions are right. I've also said the reasoning for this in theory many times before- I've heard some people say that the Sovereign has gone deeper and gave more stable ID's for them at certain sites compared to their FBS machines. That could be due to the more/higher frequencies (beyond what's useful IMHO) of FBS machines reflecting off ground minerals or picking up more RF noise. I even remember a guy talking about how he's never seen larger coils (like 12" or bigger) run as smoother, deep, or as good on any machine he's ever owned compared to his Sovereign. Some beach hunters also claim FBS machines just don't work as well as their BBS Sovereign at certain beaches. Even if you don't want to believe any of this it can come down to the VDI on the Sovereign being tied more directly to it's audio output than the FBS machines, resulting in more stable ID at depth. As I've also said more than a few times, I've never seen a machine with this stable of ID, and that's real surprising considering how how of resolution it has. Machines with much less detail in VDI that I've owned don't even seem as rock solid on a target. If it's a good target (coin, ring, button, etc) the ID *will* lock on and not float all over the place on you. That's a powerful tool in deciding what to dig or not to dig, and you don't even have to consider just what the number is. It can be say 136....Not a typical coin signal, but if it keeps that ID and sounds good from any direction you had better dig it. The Sovereign is telling you it's "dig worthy" and more often than not it'll turn out to be something good. An old button, token, cuff link, gold ring, or some other trinket that most would consider to be a keeper. I'm continually amazed at just how well the Sovereign "tells" you by it's ID stability and audio just what you should go after. It's hard to explain but as I'm fond of saying this is also one of it's features that I feel is better than any other machine I've owned.
 
Critter,
Once I get my machines altogether , and my coils are altogether , I will do these tests ....I'm very curious myself .... I think to make things easier on myself , and on the detectors and coils in question , I will go to the beach in dry sand ..... I can bring a BIG shovel as I will need it !!.... I will be purchasing the 12 x 15 SEF for my Sovereign ....I will borrow the 12 x 15 from my buddy for my E Trac ....so I will be able to directly compare the 2 machines, and EXACT coils , on the EXACT same target !!!.... I'm really interested to check out my theory on the beach as I can find larger areas of land that have no iron in the dry sand at the beach than I can in dirt .....I will find a dirt space also to check out, but I want to prove my point about raising sensitivity higher without issue .....At the beach I will probably start out at 8 inches deep ..... This will take me time to get all this stuff together , so hang tight !!...I'm really hoping that the Sovereign will go as deep and be as accurate as the E Trac , if not moreso, as I want this for my coin/jewelry machine at the beach .....I will be making it as light to carry as I can .... .....I will STILL keep my E Trac as I can set it up to descriminate , and notch to the point where I can find a Silver ring worn by a Sand Flea in WET SAND !!!!...... and descriminate and notch out everything else !!!....Jim
 
Great, thanks in a big way for doing this. Make sure the report is long and needlessly detailed because I like reading those types of reports as much as I do giving writing them. :biggrin: Just remember to play with your sweep speed and calibrate by using the wiggle, then calibrate by doing a normal sweep at different speeds to see what gives. One might be much deeper than the other, but my money based on my experience is that calibration via the fast/short wiggle and then using a somewhat medium sweep speed gives the best hit on a target.

I'm equally interesting in reading about your tests in sand, on land, and in low and high minerals. Any of that is going to be of big interest to me to read. It also might indicate that the larger coil no longer provides best depth (than the stock coil) in say medium or high minerals, while it gets deeper in normal soil.

You've got me excited about doing this kind of testing with my 10" and 15x12 out in the field as well. I had buried a test garden in my backyard with full intention of checking them against each other. Silver dimes, silver quarters, silver rings, buffalo nickles, all at various depths and even with a few coins halfway on edge to really put the coils through some tests. I even started a thread on that with a huge chart I planned to fill out with the various responses. So why didn't I get around to doing it? Idiot me...I never even thought about the power lines right above the spot I made the garden. The machine is picking up so much noise that it's pointless to even try. I need to bring both coils out into the field somewhere and check them both on some buried targets. In fact, I think I'll sneak off to a location in the woods and stick various coins in the ground and leave them there for a few months so the ground heals well and that way we'd get the truest picture of what gives between these two coils. Freshly buried targets should also be very informative, though, so bring it on! I can't wait to hear your results, not just between the various coils but also how the two machines compare to each other. I'd pay good money for an in depth report like that. I've got some good PMs in the past on how some think their Sovereigns are deeper at least in certain spots, but those short little messages are never enough for me. The devil is in the details.
 
OK I have an Explorer SE Pro with the stock coil wanting to add to my skills and depth finds with a WOT or a 12x15. Sounds like the 12x15 is the best for me.Am I reading all of this right?( All my silver and gold has been found above 5")
 
On the Explorer the 12X15 does a great job for me, but on the Sovereign I dont know how well it would do, never tried one and dont plan on it being the S-12 goes so deep.
 
Hello everybody
:crazy:
I have a Minelab GT and I use it only on the beach in Atlantic FRANCE is that someone can advise me what SEF 10X12 or 12x15 buy.
I'm looking gold small and deep.
Thank you for giving me advice and accurate court because I do not understand English,
Thank you
:shrug:
Hakim, Bordeaux, France
 
The 15x12 was deeper than stock on my fresh water beaches, but wasn't deeper in my medium to high mineral land sites. Wierd thing is my beaches are also high mineral. The 12x10 is deeper than stock 10" coil on land thus far for me, but I haven't hunted the beach enough yet to see if it is deeper there than the 15x12. Had I mainly been a beach or open plowed field hunter I would have kept the 15x12 for it's awesome coverage, but then again the 12x10 is still a nice improvement in coverage over the stock coil. The 15x12 was too much drag in the water for me, and I suspect the 12x10 will be no more drag in the water than the stock 10" coil. The only place I'll use the stock coil these days is in water as it feels too small on land now. That's fine, because I just keep it on my water rig (stock shaft) all the time now. Going water hunting is just a simple matter of putting the control box in my chest mount bag and plugging into my stock shaft. Though I'll prtobably start using the 12x10 for water hunting in the future.

Both the SEF coils I feel are even more sensitive to tiny gold than the stock coil, though I haven't tested that yet.

For PPing in the water with an SEF...Wiggle the coil backward until you just start hearing the target and then stick your big toe in the V at the tail of the coil and the target is right there. Use your foot as a guide for the scoop and you've got it.
 
Sounds reasonable & interesting. :detecting: :usmc::usaflag:
 
Thank you for all that information Critter.:thumbup:
Here in FRANCE the french Detech seller's made ​​a big advertisement on his site talking about the Exelerator 14x10 and insists to me on phone telling me that 14x10 is the best coil for GT !
So help please:
 
:thumbup: Thank you for all that information Critter.

Here in the seller's exclusive FRANCE Detech made ​​a big advertisement on his site talking about the Exelerator 14x10 and insists that I buy the phone telling me that 14x10 is the best for GT COIL

So help please:
 
There is a non-SEF 14 x10 elliptical Detech coil available in Europe for Explorers/Quattros and others on request.
 
I have read this on another forum .....to remain nameless :goodnight:
 
Sorry for being late:minelab:
Hey guys in France, the vendor offers a hard Detech exelerator Q
 
Hey Guys :super:

In fact 25x35 in centimeters corresponds to the 10x14 inches
I'll probably buy it, I must just tell my wife that I still need :yikes: 200
 
Wow, they do make a 10x14 for the Sovereign. Nice looking coil. I wonder if Kellyco can order one for you as they already are a Detech retailer.
 
:cheers: I think Kellyco can sell the same Coil for these American :thumbup: clients
 
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