COILTEK 10 X 5 VS 6" COIL

[glenn3-88]

Now that I have had my CTX for about 2 1/2 months, I am considering getting a smaller
coil for those trashy areas. I have had very good luck in trashy areas with the 11" where
I had already used the Safari and AT Pro with the better seperation of the CTX but I still
have many instances at depth that I cannot get a repetitive signal due to trash. I will say
I am SOLD on DD performance and has me leaning toward the Coiltek but again I hear
so many good stories about the Minelab 6". Anybody have both or had both and what
were the good and bad of each.

 

[KinTN]

I had the same dilemma and went with the 5x10 due to Andy Sabisch's recommendation in a Boot Camp.

 

[MI-AuAg]

Hello glenn3-88,

Like you, I have had excellent success with the standard 11" coil in moderately, or somewhat heavy trashy areas.

After a couple years now, I have reached the point where I need a smaller coil for some extremely trashy areas.

For my needs, (others needs/desires may differ) I want a coil with the smallest footprint, and best target separation available. After much consideration, the 6" minelab coil is my choice.

From the feedback I have seen, there is not a great deal of difference in performance. The footprint of the Coiltek is clearly not much different in length than the stock 11" coil. It all came down to maximum target separation, for me, the 6" coil will fill that need the best.

 

[duggr]

I had the same dilemma and went with the 5x10 due to Andy Sabisch's recommendation in a Boot Camp.

Elaborate on what you said if you would

 

[KinTN]

Not much more to say. I asked Andy which of the 2 options he would recommend and he stated that he prefers and uses the 5x10. We had already covered talking about what coils were available and their plusses and minuses (same info you see in his book), He hadn't said one was better than the other, only that both were quality coils and would do a good job. I just pinned him down with a direct question. I don't think he would steer anyone away from the 6" if you were set on it, but that's just my opinion.

My personal preferences are that I like elliptical DD coils and dislike hockey puck coils, but I do understand math/geometry, surface area/linear field, etc and/but was leaning towards the Coiltek in any case. But Sabisch's endorsement carried a lot of weight for me. Bought one on the spot.

 

[digginLa]

I'm glad there is a round 6" coil, as I discovered I really didn't like using the elliptical coil that came stock on my Omega. Not sure why its just not a coil style that I want to use.

 

[KinTN]

I'm glad there is a round 6" coil, as I discovered I really didn't like using the elliptical coil that came stock on my Omega. Not sure why its just not a coil style that I want to use.

Exactly; except we are opposites. Choice is a wonderful thing.



Let me be clear before anyone jumps on me. There are several individual of excellent standing on this forum that make a strong case for the 6". I am in no way badmouthing it.

 

[mascard1]

Well..I just had to have both....got a sweet deal on the 5x10....with rod....275.00................Think who ,I got it from was going back to another detector.

I'm glad there is a round 6" coil, as I discovered I really didn't like using the elliptical coil that came stock on my Omega. Not sure why its just not a coil style that I want to use.

Exactly; except we are opposites. Choice is a wonderful thing.



Let me be clear before anyone jumps on me. There are several individual of excellent standing on this forum that make a strong case for the 6". I am in no way badmouthing it.

 

[digginLa]

i agree on the having a choice thats why both types of coils are made. My dislike most likely stems from the first 2 detectors I hunted with had round concentric coils and thats just what I got accustomed to using. I'm not really a fan of small coils anyway because they seem just so ssllloooowwwwww to me. But I have the 5.75 concentric for my Cibola and the CTX I bought has the stock coil and the 6". The small coil will get used but only in very specific locations for small amounts of time, but then for me that's all I need them for as I don't hunt in heavy iron/nail areas just some really trashy parks and close to swing sets, playground equipment, close to fences, retaining walls and around basketball courts.

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[amberjack]

choice

ctx has four coils etrac has how many 20 or 30 minelab in all their greed shot themselves in the foot with their business modal , maybe if they were like fisher they would sell more detectors gpz the same its a HUGE minus for minelab and driving people away in droves but they will learn OR they wont.

AJ

 

[MI-AuAg]

choice
ctx has four coils etrac has how many 20 or 30 minelab in all their greed shot themselves in the foot with their business modal , maybe if they were like fisher they would sell more detectors gpz the same its a HUGE minus for minelab and driving people away in droves but thy will learn OR they wont.

AJ

In terms of coil choices for the CTX, due to the proprietary FBS 2, and Smartfind 2 technologies, I don't believe you will see too many aftermarket coils.

The chips contained in the coils are key to the CTX's abilities, in comparison to other detectors. (XP Deus, similar situation)

I too, am in favor of as many coil choices as possible for any given detector. Unfortunately, given the technology involved, I don't think you will see many more for the CTX. In all honesty, I think what is currently available now, pretty much covers the bases. I do believe, not having the ability to change coils on the new entry level model is a big mistake, even their new $10,000.00 gold machine has no coil choices at this time!

 

[shelton7522]

I have both, and I choose Coiltek, because footprint is 10x5 inches... so.

 

[KinTN]

choice
ctx has four coils etrac has how many 20 or 30 minelab in all their greed shot themselves in the foot with their business modal , maybe if they were like fisher they would sell more detectors gpz the same its a HUGE minus for minelab and driving people away in droves but thy will learn OR they wont.

AJ

In terms of coil choices for the CTX, due to the proprietary FBS 2, and Smartfind 2 technologies, I don't believe you will see too many aftermarket coils.

The chips contained in the coils are key to the CTX's abilities, in comparison to other detectors. (XP Deus, similar situation)

I too, am in favor of as many coil choices as possible for any given detector. Unfortunately, given the technology involved, I don't think you will see many more for the CTX.
[size=large]In all honesty, I think what is currently available now, pretty much covers the bases.[/size] I do believe, not having the ability to change coils on the new entry level model is a big mistake, even their new $10,000.00 gold machine has no coil choices at this time!

Agreed. I cant think of another size that I'd want in a coil and I wont use a concentric. 17 is as big as I care to swing.
Downside to the proprietary chip is that other manufacturers cant try to improve on the current coils. But that's business, I guess.

 

[sprchng]

Personally , I'd like to see a 12 or 13" elliptical like the NEL Hunter which runs like a champ on the etrac. The 4 coils for the CTX all have a place but I really don't think the rub is about selection as much as the price---it's ridiculous!!
I have used both the 5x10 and 6" and can see little difference in separation as long as you move forward with the 5x10 slow enough. What you can't duplicate is the coverage of the 5x10 by swinging the 6" more rapidly.

 

[MI-AuAg]

I have both, and I choose Coiltek, because footprint is 10x5 inches... so.

So.... all I am saying is for ME, any coil smaller than the 11" standard will be used for extreme trash areas only. I simply want the smallest coil possible for those conditions. I look at the coiltek 10x5 as a kind of betweener coil of the stock 11" and 6".

That is why I said "(others needs/desires may differ)" We all hunt in different conditions and have different ideas in what works for us as individuals. I tend to be more specific in my use of coils. The 11" and 6" is all I need. If someone has/uses all the available coils, absolutely nothing wrong with that, your dime, your choice.

 

[sube]

Coils I think the coils offered will cover just about any situation that a person runs into .I have the 17 and the main purpose that I use it for is finding the most trash infested places in bigger areas which saves me time however the 11 works well for this also . Finding the areas that have the most trash will generally have the most coins another words the most used areas in the site your at .This is where I use my 6 which works very well in this situation .

If I was looking for a certain coil it would have to be a 4 x 6 shooter coil like whites has loved that coil on my MXT .
As far as the coiltek compared to my 6 inch coil I would have to say that the 6 separates better than the coiltek just by the footprint the coiltek has which is quite a bit bigger than the 6 so if your in the trash the 6 well treat you better .

The coiltek with it's larger footprint would be great in areas with less trash there by covering larger areas than the 6 and giving good separation at the same time .
But as of now the 6 is just better in the trash . Unless they make a 4 x 6 shooter for it then I'm all in .
As far as depth the 6 has plenty where I hunt , running 30 sensitivity with the 6 can actually hurt you in heavy trash because of all the surface junk got to know when to back off on the sensitivity . Using a larger coil for more depth in trashy areas well hurt you also . There's a fine line on how much sensitivity to use in a certain spot over driving it or under driving it is something you learn with time . sube

 

[MI-AuAg]

Hey sube,

I agree, a 4x6 would make a great shooter coil for the CTX. I'd grab one of those in a heartbeat!

 

[mrwilburino]

Hey sube,

I agree, a 4x6 would make a great shooter coil for the CTX. I'd grab one of those in a heartbeat!

Ditto!

 

[glenn3-88]

That's alot of different ways of looking at it I must admit. I really didn't want to get into this on here but coming from a
background of DD coils, I have done some very deep thought on why Minelab hasn't come out with more choices and
here is what I think. First and foremost, the FBSII system in my opinion illiminates the need for a lot of different coils.
They have the 17" for large areas.

The stock 11" for general purpose.
The 6" for trash for those who have experience with concentric.
The 7" for those who like the DD such as myself.

I see no advantage at all in the previous posts for having the 6" over the 7".
It's just a matter of choice of what you like best, DD or Concentric.

***Now here is my opinion which I am sure I will be sorry for giving later on. If the
Coiltek is actually 5" wide and narrows at both ends, why wouldn't the Coiltek be
(((((((AS GOOD///////NOT BETTER)))))))) as the 6". After all, it is an inch narrower
and if your pinpoint method is the wiggle, wouldn't it be getting narrower as you drag
it back as opposed to hunting that one sweet spot where you have a minimum of one
more inch to pick up? OK. I understand "FOOTPRINT" and I know less is better. However,
I know it's just me but I think that if I know a target is there, it would also be easier to ease
the tip into the target area rather than deal with having to have the concentric dead over it
to get a good read on it along with all the other trash. That's the problem with the 11" right now.

Now that was my opinion and it doesn't count for anything at this point as I am not convinced
either one has an advantage of depth, or pinpoint accuracy, or accuracy of depth when you
pinpoint. One thing I have found at the beach is the 11" is wayyyy off on depth unless you
just take your time and move the coil to the side until the reading goes away on the screen
then quickly pinpoint it. Usually that's the only way the 11" at the beach gives an accurate depth.

Is one deeper than the other.
Which is better at pinpointing.
Which is more accurate at reading depth.

Thanks for all the responces and all have been very helpful.
Can anyone address the above for me? Hopefully??

 

[sprchng]

The 6" is a DD. There are no concentric FBS2 coils to the best of my knowledge