"even the 8x6 sef is better....and I don't like that little coil at all !"the stock coil masks so many targets ...even the 8x6 sef is better....and I don't like that little coil at all !
If you don't think so...test it against your tornado on targets. tornado vrs stock.
If I have to go small I have a solid coil the sunray x 2 that I would use in a woods or around bushes....but it has only been on my detector for testing.
What about the 8x6 is so negative?