Cibola/Vaquero, sorting the facts versus...(long)

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hype!
Seems as if each new detector from Tesoro is compared to certain other brands, some at three times the price.
A couple of recent Tesoro models were perceived as having "squeaky pole" problems, and these were discussed for weeks as being quality control problems. Well the C & V models have the "squeaky" problems corrected but they are "too tight" and perceived as a quality control problem. Seems that some critics need to make up their mind, tight or loose!!
The C & V (either can be purchased for less than $500) are being compared to detectors that sell for 3 times those prices. Well, I have a few hours on a C, and it will hold it's own with any detector at or near it's price range and some at twice the price.
Seen comparisions to other Tesoro models that say the C & V are no better depth wise than some of the current Tesoro models with similar prices. Well, it's easy to say, but don't think it will prove to be true. Someone will have to show me as my use indicates the exact opposite.
Any positive statement about either model seems to tick some folks off and they start saying that its all "hype", "smoke and mirror BS" and on and on.
I took the C to a small yard (area about 75 x 50 ft. in size) yesterday that two (2) other people had worked for 2 hours. I worked the same area with the 5.75" coil for a couple of hours and found numerous coins and the only silver of the day. Disc at squashed screwcap elimination level. Just plain coin finding fun!!
Bottom line; if you like simplicity, good depth, iron proof disc and a lightweight detector, you won't go wrong with either model.
HH,
Ty

 

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[Anonymous]

When folks post statements like the one below and the people who should know better agree that the machine can do the impossible, then all credibility is lost. That's why it's called *hype*.

 

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Too many dealers are willing to just sit back and allow lies to be posted about their machines.

 

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discussions such as those you copied and pasted. I don't know if any detector I've used can get by 6 or infinity nails and get a coin at 6". I doubt it and if I dig a coin or relic and recheck the hole and the detector don't beep, I certainly don't check to see what is near the hole.
I have a dime buried many years at 6" and I have seen only one (1) detector detect the dime. The area has iron trash near the dime. Don't think any is above the dime, but don't know.
My above post is fact. Now, my mention of hype is that some posts that I know to be fact are argued by others to be hype. Strange thing, the people who are most likely to argue about a post are those who have never seen, much less used the detector in question yet they are instant experts about the detector.
If you feel that anything I post is other than fact, just drive on to Alabama, bring whatever detector you want and we will test it in some wicked soil, in my test area and if I can't prove what I say about any detector I mention to be fact, I'll buy your lunch and pay for the fuel you use to get here (no Hummers)... If I do prove it, you get to buy lunch.
Regardless of any perceived hype, BS or other words against the C & V, I'll wager both will withstand the test of time in the fields and some "wow" finds will be made with them.
You say "dealers" stand by and "let" such statements as those you copy and paste go without challenge. My question to you is why would it bother you? Could it be that you are loyal to another brand? I didn't make the statement, will take someone's word until I know FOR A FACT that it ain't so, my position is that such posts are the responsibility of the poster. If you have a problem with those posts, take it up with the poster!!!!! My above post covers ONLY what I said pertaining to the Ciablo and Vaquero.
HH,
Ty

 

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Seems to me that the supposed capabilities of many New or not so new machines are similar to claims about gas mileage. Many such claims I would like to measure for myself. One still has to run the coil of any machine over a good find for any of it to matter. I have several different machines that are not generally considered "super" machines, but they all find metal and often at depths that surprise me. On the other hand, they have features that I appreciate more than just depth capability. Happy Hunting to all and enjoy getting out with what you have.
Cheers,
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Because my *loyalty* as you put it, is to the truth. I too have never posted anythng on the forums which is false and I hate to see so many new people misled.
The fact that so many known Tesoro dealers are affraid of jumping in and correcting the facts speaks volumes.
Maybe there is too much competition? Too many dealers?

 

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Maybe you would be taken more seriously.
The Problems with the poles on the 2 new models are not too tight. What tesoro did was change the whole locking mechanism to a different vendor it appears and the poles do nit fit at all on some of them as the locking tab does not retract.
Since you obviously have no idea how QC works in a manufacturing environment then don;t try and comment on it. Suffice it to say that is aQC problem...it was a QC problem in the past and consumers have the right to expect quality at any price. $500.00 or $1200 it does not matter. To buy a new detector and again be told to send it back for corrections is plain sloppy manufacturing.
The V and the C have good depth but only in ground that favors it's performance. In bad soil the depth drops greatly. Not a quality issues just the way these particular machines are. Performance is good...quality again is poor.....PERIOD.

 

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you take my comments. Like many others, you use a detector 5 minutes, qualify yourself as an expert on it and then post on any forum that won't delete the post.
HH,
Ty

 

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That should cover it, I use several different machines and like to swing the lighter Tesoro's too.. I have quite a few Roman coins of various sizes, some hammered silver and a 2000 + yr old one of a kind Celtic gold coin thats smaller then a dime + some gold nuggets that I found here at Ganes Cr last fall with my Tejon. No detector is perfectly suited to every condition and it is up to the detectorist to make the adjustments or coil changes that he or she feels is necessary to get the best out of the unit at that particular place.. HH..Geo

 

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I have both the C & V and a multitude of others including a Whites MTX, Nautilus DMCIIBa and four other Tesoro machines. The C & V are the quietest machines that I have used and get good depth too. I'm still not convinced that they are the deepest but they are sure quiet in iron infested ground. I am not brand loyal and I will buy whatever I feel that is needed for the circumstances. I really like the MTX because it gives me alot of information when I am hunting. The Nautilus is great machine too. But the Vaquero is real easy to use and light and can hang with the best of them. I have proven this with my digging partners in the past few days and it has made me a believer. Take it for what you will, I live in SC and the soil is basically neutral for the most part but we do have some clay and I have yet to test it in the clay ground. <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">

 

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got to do with anything when the problems start when you take it out of the box and TRY to put the poles together? They have once again gone to even cheaper parts and QC seems to mean nothing to them. I wonder didn't anyone at Tesoro ever put one together? Why should the purchaser have to file the lock in some cases so the pole will go in? What's the solution this time? I imagine "send it back to the factory so we can fix it" will be the answer. This is an ongoing deal with some problems right out of the box on the last few models. If you buy a Tesoro make sure the DEALER puts it together for you and check it out carefully.
ArtWI
p.s. We post on forums like this one because we don't believe it's right for a post to be deleted (like they are on another Tesoro forum) because it might upset the manufacturer who may be a sponsor.

 

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Tesoro does a good job explaining the difference in their detectors. Especially the new ones. Seems to me they just keep repacking the same old ideas. For someone who doesn't really follow the Tesoro it's hard to tell what they are trying to do. I can't see where they have sold anyone on why these new detectors are any different than what they alreay have on the market.
Tesoro also has no idea of how to make a good ID detector. It takes software and they must be lacking in that department.
Just my 2 cents.
Harold

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Ty,
In your BAD dirt down there what unit have you found to do the best in it? From the sound of your dirt you have similar to what we have up here...that being in some instances you can't get a machine to beep on a coin just barely under the surface in the dirt.
I've been running in circles looking for one to do good here. The two Tejons I had were super deep in good ground but in our bad ground it wouldn't pick CW bullets up beyond 4 inches at iron reject in disc mode. A whole slough of other reputable machines have fared the same way. I am beginning to think its more of the detectors seeing the dirt as iron instead of it being 'highly mineralized' and anything running above iron reject will also knock out the good targets and you will only hear an occasional chirp from the machines.

 

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I haven't found any detector that will really work in this dirt. It actually isn't right where I live.
Find a map of SE, find Lafayette, AL (it's N by E of Auburn, Opelika area). It extends east from there over into NW GA and north into TN.
Don't know exactly where you are in TN, but you must have some of the dirt. Your description fits this dirt exactly. Can hunt in AM but switch to disc and reject iron and the detector might as well be turned off!! Bury a dime in that stuff 3" deep and if you don't have a string tied to it, it will be gone if you have to depend on a detector to find it.
White's analyzed some of the dirt some years ago and told me it was the worst they had seen outside of black sand mixed with wet saltwater.
Send me an email and I'll be glad to share a copy of their report.
HH,
Ty

 

[Anonymous]

have you ever tried one in that ground just to see if they are capable of penetrating it?
HH
Beachcomber

 

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penetrate this soil. I don't know how well, as I only have a sample left.
A VLF will penetrate the soil in AM mode or in the disc mode if the disc is absolute zero. It's when the disc is upped to reject nails that all the depth loss begins.
"Sample tests high iron, low conductivity, when dry. Slightly less than Ferrite." One of White's comments on this soil.
Glad that stuff isn't in my back yard.
HH,
Ty

 

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