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carbon fibre straight shaft is here....by by cams!

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dmnz

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Hi guys

Picked up the commissioned carbon fibre straight shaft last night. Photos to come. Does not need any mod or damage to the original atx shaft or coil (so unit is easily reinstated for travelling purposes etc)

whist we are talking has anyone ever removed the coil from the shaft? Looks glued on? Does anyone have an idea? I can save weight by removing the lower rod but was hesitant to do that.
 
More pics. At the moment the lower original rod from the ATX slides fully inside the new carbon rod fully so;

A) I can shorten the new rod and then have the ugly green rod protruding..... and then have adjustable length

B) slide the ugly green rod all the way in, added weight...

Or

C) cut the lower original atx Rod - this will save weight - but I won't do this as I want to be able to revert to the stock shaft for overseas travel. Without the coil - the machine and rod feels super lite!
 
Hello that s a good idea ! the coil is glued and 2 plastic pins are blocking shaft+coil together , maybe with a good temperature it s possible...
I try with a fisching shaft big a the top, small at the low perfect size..but easy to break...i don t find one stronger like this !

So heavy i thinked sold it because... but if a light shaft is possible.....amazing man !!

Best regards Toff
 
Hey dmnz ... looks pretty cool! Too bad the whole machine didn't have that carbon fiber look and the weight to go with it.

What does the whole machine weigh now? I'm pretty sure the lower coil assembly is one sealed unit.
You would need to cut the lower shaft as low as you can I believe. That is about all you can do to reduce the weight more.

When I was looking at carbon shafts, I was trying to figure what weight loss that I would gain with a carbon shaft.
I figured between 6-9 ounces less without cutting the lower shaft. Then you add the no gain from the drag in the water when swinging with a larger diameter shaft.
So I decided not do it and I didn't want to cut the lower shaft for future possible resale.

The no camlock shaft nuts is a big plus for the guy that are having problems with them.
 
Awesome. Here is a video of a guy using an infinitum coil with his ATX and it is mounted on the ATX rod. Not sure how he did it. I don't guess ATX coils would be mountable on another rod?

http://youtu.be/pb-k8iTUshs
 
Have now modified the Carbon fibre shaft! Cut a little shorter - drilled quite a few holes to be able to 'adjust length'. The stock garrett lower rod slides in perfectly - and already has holes in the top - drilled just one hole in the top of the garrett shaft (opposite the original top hole)....next....good old CTX3030 coil nylon nut / screw - the PERFECT size - now I can adjust the length of the rod, yet return to stock if needed with no visible change to the garrett original shaft. Certainly no more cam problems, will post pic of the final setup! Rock solid now and significantly stronger, less wobble, and no cams!
 
The good thing is when I purchase the 8 inch mono - can use the same set up. ..just using the lower rod to slide into this. I guess I am just picky and hate the "scratched up" look of the stock shaft and cams after limited use in the water. This setup is much more like the excal straight shaft.

Used one wrap of insulation tape on the lower garrett rod to make more of an interference fit with the new carbon rod. The ctx3030 nylon nut will not damage the stock atx cable and is easy to slide in and out.
 
Looks great!

Good job :thumb up:

Paul (Ca)
 
Nice mod.
How is it staying tight at the top - just jammed in?
What's the final weight?
 
not jammed in! the upper shaft is slightly - very slightly larger diameter than the original. it slides in perfectly. the armrest lock holds it in place perfectly. To be honest, the existing plastic "lock" and the little spring to allow you to rotate the coil 90 degrees are a bit of a waste of time and are not needed. Few things after my 'try out run yesterday'

1) definitely easier to clean - just a hose and inside can be washed also due to the drain holes
2) goes through the water easier - less drag
3) NO CAMs to lockup - I will clean and keep the original shaft, and the shaft from the 8 inch mono in good condition and maybe just use if needing the tiny travelling profile.
4) Seems much studier - no wobble, no sliding up
5) Suspect less wear on the coil cable - not constant 'stretching and returning' - also - check out the coil cable top for damage when collapsing the standard ATX shaft. You may be surprised, you need to be careful with that area

and....... 3 gold rings yesterday to prove it still works (9ct, 9ct and 18ct). Have not posted the finds for a while as too busy at work and not enough time detecting! Now on GOLD 43, PLAT 3, SILVER 25 since jan :)

I guess it is probably 1 pound less in weight - could have made more savings if I was more specific with the carbon fibre company - you could drive a truck over the top of this shaft and it won't break! I will drill quite a few holes in the upper part to cut the weight more! Cant wait for the 8 inch mono in this shaft - I think I will be holding a 'normal detector' again!
 
cost was more than I hoped - as a 1 off for the company. also because I had them 'taper' the shaft from the smaller diameter upwards - in hindsight, it would have been easier not to do this. was about $180US - but the rings yesterday technically paid for that (not that I will sell them)
 
Hi dmnz, it s possible to have a details for the small low shaft/ big shaft assembling together ? glued ? i see you make without camlock systeme it s good idea !

...and...maybe you speak about it and i don t understand..:surrender: what kind of camshaft low and top have you used ? 180 dollars if it s for the complet carbon shaft it s not so much , possible to stay 1or2 hours more on a spot dues to lightweight, easy to money back as you said !

Thanks a lot hope news from you:thumbup:
 
wonderful idea. I just hate those cams.I have a couple of questions, what is the od of the shaft at the top and bottom of the shaft? Did you drill holes in the bottom shaft of the coil so you could pin it to the carbon shaft? How did you get the cams off the shaft? Can they be taken apart with the spanner wrench that Garrett sells? Also what is the length of the shaft and what company made this shaft for you? Sorry for all the questions, I just got gtx in April, my first detector, so I'm just starting but really enjoy this unit. My big find so far is a 1905 nickel, too bad it wasn't a 1913. Thanks for the idea of carbon shaft
 
I'm really interested in carbon fiber shaft. I use ATX for relic hunting but I want to use it in Long Island Sound also. I am unsure about salt water use on shaft cams. I need machine on relic hunting. Can we have more info on ordering carbon fiber shaft? Thank you dmnz for great job on shaft.
 
Hi dmnz, it s possible to have a details for the small low shaft/ big shaft assembling together ? glued ? i see you make without camlock systeme it s good idea !


*** Hi guys, sorry have been busy at work and not enough time detecting lately***

Basically there are two pieces of Carbon Fibre Rod, one just a tiny bit larger diameter than the stock lower rod, and the right length for me. The second, the same dia as the part that slides into the main body. The two new rods are epoxy together (you will need some form of internal spacer).

The stock lower rod is removed from the stock first cam, you will need the Garrett CAM tool. This then slides into the new Carbon fibre rod. Actually a very simple change.

So far the Carbon Fibre Shaft is working well, I tried to go back to the stock configuration to feel the difference, and I hate it! The carbon fibre rod with the 8 inch coil feels awesome!
 
micpaper said:
I'm really interested in carbon fiber shaft. I use ATX for relic hunting but I want to use it in Long Island Sound also. I am unsure about salt water use on shaft cams. I need machine on relic hunting. Can we have more info on ordering carbon fiber shaft? Thank you dmnz for great job on shaft.
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Hi There - there is not really any way to 'order' the shaft from me, although the thought has crossed my mind! I think you will be able to find a carbon rod manufacturer locally, usually in boat building (oars, booms, etc) and you really need:

2 pieces of carbon tube, dias mentioned above
Internal spacers to be able to epoxy these together
small amount of vinyl tape
optional - nylon screw to lock together the stock lower rod and the new rod (can use tape if desired)

If I have time, I will try and write some derailed instructions for the forum. Have had several requests now......
 
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