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Cancelled My Order - AT Pro:(
- Thread starter jlopez5555
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SteveP(NH)
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I thought all of the newbie machines were in the $200 to $300 range so that a newbie can get a feel for the hobby without spending $600 to find out if the hobby is everything they expect it to be.
Newbies are going to continue to buy ACE 250 and 350 machines. I bet 95% of the At Pros sold are going to be set to Pro mode the first time they are powered up and stay that way indefinitely. The money they spent putting in "standard" mode would have far better spent putting in a useful feature like ground tracking so that the At Pro might have had a chance at salt water beaches.
And uncle Willy - it isn't the mineralization at salt water beaches that is the problem - it the fact that the mineralization and therefore the ground balance values change with every step you take towards the ocean. While you can re-ground balance every 2 minutes there are $600 machine that come with DD coils and can GB on salt and also have ground tracking so you don't need to re-ground balance at all so the AT Pro isn't going to be a first choice salt water machine.
Newbies are going to continue to buy ACE 250 and 350 machines. I bet 95% of the At Pros sold are going to be set to Pro mode the first time they are powered up and stay that way indefinitely. The money they spent putting in "standard" mode would have far better spent putting in a useful feature like ground tracking so that the At Pro might have had a chance at salt water beaches.
And uncle Willy - it isn't the mineralization at salt water beaches that is the problem - it the fact that the mineralization and therefore the ground balance values change with every step you take towards the ocean. While you can re-ground balance every 2 minutes there are $600 machine that come with DD coils and can GB on salt and also have ground tracking so you don't need to re-ground balance at all so the AT Pro isn't going to be a first choice salt water machine.
SteveP(NH)
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khouse said:Those other $600 machines - are they waterproof?
No and I am kind of glad of it. The main environmental problem I have with detectors isn't from water - it is from tree branches and from the detector scraping against rocks and sometimes my relic shovel. I always use environmental covers to protect the lcd screen from getting scratched or dinged from tree branches I walk thru on the way to cellar holes in the woods, or sometimes I will accidentally prop my detector up on my shovel and the wind will blow it off and it will hit the shovel on the way down to the ground or a sharp rock once it gets there. I am concerned that no one will make a good environment cover for the At Pro since it is waterproof and so while it will be protected against water (I have been detecting for 20 years now and have never had an issue with a machine getting wet except for some beach machines I had which were water proof to 250 feet. But I have had issues with other environmental issues several times. The odd shape of the control box (with the bullet shape on the front (for lack of a better way to describe it) will make it impossible to use an environmental cover made from another detector and have it fit. You think looking thru an environmental cover is bad, try using one with a big scratch across the lcd when the sun catches it.
I'm sure someone if not Garrett will come up with a the cover you speak of. But the other advantage of being waterproof isn't just the submersion in water. It will not be susceptible to dust, rain and any moisture on the inner workings. So even if it's used 100% on land your ahead of the game. Don't you believe that your other machines "if" waterproof would be a plus?
SteveP(NH)
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khouse said:I'm sure someone if not Garrett will come up with a the cover you speak of. But the other advantage of being waterproof isn't just the submersion in water. It will not be susceptible to dust, rain and any moisture on the inner workings. So even if it's used 100% on land your ahead of the game. Don't you believe that your other machines "if" waterproof would be a plus?
Actually, the thing I dislike the most about some techniques of waterproof is the use of a membrane type button pad, those membrane buttons are hard to push and hold down (pinpoint) while wearing gloves. If the machine can use a trigger for pinpointing and knobs and real buttons to control settings then it wouldn't matter. But for me waterproofing is at most a nice to have but unessential feature as I would have rain proof environmental covers on my machines sun or rain whether they are waterproof or not. Though I hear they are coming out with a scratch proof lcd for touch type cellphones soon so maybe in a few years time lcds will all be scratch proof.
I find the buttons on the Ace and what appears to be the same on the ATpro easy to push. I know what your talking about with those flat non responsive feedback switches. I like knobs and toggles too. But are expensive to waterproof. Most simply have a waterproof boot. But there are advantages to push buttons over knobs and toggles. When in the woods they don't get out of adjustment. Harder to clean too.
bearkat4160
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All iPads, iPads and iPhones are scratch proof as they are glass not plastic like most Android/Windows or RIM based phones.
There are oleo-phobic coatings for finger prints. Nano coatings to fill the tiniest pores on glass and plastic for scratch resistance. I have a quart of the fluid to coat glasses. But the liquid has to be heated up and the parts soaked. Something as simple as RainX for plastic can make your screens more scratch resistant.
Jason in TN
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SteveP(NH) said:khouse said:Those other $600 machines - are they waterproof?
No and I am kind of glad of it. The main environmental problem I have with detectors isn't from water - it is from tree branches and from the detector scraping against rocks and sometimes my relic shovel. I always use environmental covers to protect the lcd screen from getting scratched or dinged from tree branches I walk thru on the way to cellar holes in the woods, or sometimes I will accidentally prop my detector up on my shovel and the wind will blow it off and it will hit the shovel on the way down to the ground or a sharp rock once it gets there. I am concerned that no one will make a good environment cover for the At Pro since it is waterproof and so while it will be protected against water (I have been detecting for 20 years now and have never had an issue with a machine getting wet except for some beach machines I had which were water proof to 250 feet. But I have had issues with other environmental issues several times. The odd shape of the control box (with the bullet shape on the front (for lack of a better way to describe it) will make it impossible to use an environmental cover made from another detector and have it fit. You think looking thru an environmental cover is bad, try using one with a big scratch across the lcd when the sun catches it.
Have zag make a screen cover will never scratch and want need a cover. Simple fix. Then just come in hose it down and you are good to go.
Jason
SteveP(NH)
New member
Try putting on hunting gloves thick enough to keep your hands warm and dry when it is 25 degrees and try and hold the pinpoint button long enough to investigate an iffy target with an odd shape. It was hard to do using a GTI-1500 and a GTAx 550, never used an ACE so I can't say about their touch pads.
I would even have some trouble when wearing the uninsulated heavy work gloves I wear in the summer. Since I mostly hunt on old farms I always wear gloves as you can dig up a lot of sharp pieces from pieces of equipment like a chain and the plate at the end of it from a manure spreader, don't want to get a cut from one of those, or a two hundred year old ox shoe with the nails still in it.
I would even have some trouble when wearing the uninsulated heavy work gloves I wear in the summer. Since I mostly hunt on old farms I always wear gloves as you can dig up a lot of sharp pieces from pieces of equipment like a chain and the plate at the end of it from a manure spreader, don't want to get a cut from one of those, or a two hundred year old ox shoe with the nails still in it.
SteveP(NH)
New member
Jason in TN said:SteveP(NH) said:khouse said:Those other $600 machines - are they waterproof?
No and I am kind of glad of it. The main environmental problem I have with detectors isn't from water - it is from tree branches and from the detector scraping against rocks and sometimes my relic shovel. I always use environmental covers to protect the lcd screen from getting scratched or dinged from tree branches I walk thru on the way to cellar holes in the woods, or sometimes I will accidentally prop my detector up on my shovel and the wind will blow it off and it will hit the shovel on the way down to the ground or a sharp rock once it gets there. I am concerned that no one will make a good environment cover for the At Pro since it is waterproof and so while it will be protected against water (I have been detecting for 20 years now and have never had an issue with a machine getting wet except for some beach machines I had which were water proof to 250 feet. But I have had issues with other environmental issues several times. The odd shape of the control box (with the bullet shape on the front (for lack of a better way to describe it) will make it impossible to use an environmental cover made from another detector and have it fit. You think looking thru an environmental cover is bad, try using one with a big scratch across the lcd when the sun catches it.
Have zag make a screen cover will never scratch and want need a cover. Simple fix. Then just come in hose it down and you are good to go.
Jason
I am not sure if I quite understand what you posted but I think you said that I can get someone named zag to make a screen cover and then I won't need a cover? Not sure what you are talking about there. Also I have never had the need to hose off any of my detectors before and I don't think I will need to in the future. I am also concerned about scratching the outside of the control box as well so I would like to get the entire thing covered not just the faceplate in case you are talking about those plastic covers they make for cell phone screens.
There is a way around that. I am right handed so I always swing the detector with my right arm. I only wear a glove on my left hand and I only stick my left hand in the hole. I use my right hand to use my digger or probe. That helps me to work the controls and helps keep my detectors much cleaner. You just have to get used to using only one hand in the dirt but it works well!
Anyone need some right hand gloves? I have plenty...
J
Anyone need some right hand gloves? I have plenty...
J
You people are freaking me out! Let's hear from the all terrain field testers re the AT Pro. Come on LT magazine, give us the field test results! It's been enough time. I'm having dreams about it. Thinking of an upgrade real soon. AT pro or MXT pro which is it? Are they comparable?
LOL Smitty, You are right. I believe the At pro is just about all I was wanted after I used my 250 for a while. I got an explorer. I don't relic hunt. I am amazed at the finds of some who do. But that type f hunting is not for me. I really was looking to gain a few more wet space at the beach. I do think Garrett has done a good job but have not seen one as of yet. I do have one on order but am on the fence. I still want to find out information of salt water trials. Can it consistently find nickles in the so Cal surf. After all I can get a good used Tiger Shark for 400.00 or an Excal for 600.
The Tiger Shark has three adjustments inside the control box. When you change the batteries and/or make those adjustments you run the risk of contamination to the guts. Also this machine too is a single frequency machine that has a salt water rating. The ATpro has all the adjustments on the front panel and if the battery compartment leaks you don't ruin the machine. The Tiger Shark has a lot of good ratings for a single frequency salt machine. It's just possible the ATpro being a single frequency machine might do as well? Time will tell?.