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Bury me with my Sovereign GT...
- Thread starter joecoin
- Start date
It is good to vent rather than to self destruct.
I some times find myself asking myself :veryangry:"Why in the He!! did I buy this piece of $#!& anyways?" and then I say to myself "there are others on these forums that seem to be doing great with their Sovereigns and Excaliburs. Hummm, I wonder if they are all dealers
who are just saying that they are making those great finds, trying to trick us hapless souls into buying their instruments of evil?" 
but I just keep telling myself that there can't be anyone that cruel
and that I just need to keep at it and some day it will hit me.
I can't expect to master the machine quickly without paying my dues first.
Be strong Joe. Kick that Sovereigns a$$ and when you are done doing that get yourself an Explorer and kick it's a$$ to.
I just hope that I am right!
who are just saying that they are making those great finds, trying to trick us hapless souls into buying their instruments of evil?" but I just keep telling myself that there can't be anyone that cruel and that I just need to keep at it and some day it will hit me. I can't expect to master the machine quickly without paying my dues first.Be strong Joe. Kick that Sovereigns a$$ and when you are done doing that get yourself an Explorer and kick it's a$$ to.
I just hope that I am right!
Joe,Use the Sovereign GT with the Tornado 800 or Coinsearch coil.
Neil
Well-known member
Joe for all its not doing for you I would sell it and try something else that is more suitable for you. What works for one may not work for another and theres a lot of selection out there. The Xterra is a nice detector from Minelab you might want to try.
Its a hobby and should be enjoyed
Its a hobby and should be enjoyed
adam in cal
New member
You know , sometimes a person can read too much info or try to hard..Just go out and enjoy yourself....all the pieces will fall into place ....sometimes all the info and advice can make a person sick.......go have fun !!!!!!
WHAT DID I GET MYSELF IN FOR, IT DON'T WORK LIKE IT SUPPOSE TO!!! That was my first impression, then my second impression, bought a GTI 2000 and a CZ7 and put the Sovereign away. Kept reading all the post on the Sovereign and seeing all the great finds being found with it.Took it back out as I got tired of digging rusty bottle caps with the CZ7 and trash with the GTI 2000. Used the Sovereign some more and still didn't care for it, but then one day I was at a well worked site that had most trash taken out of it and the Sovereign started to make sense. I started popping coins out of the ground one after another and was able to hunt area I never could before. I finally learned what the Sovereign was telling me and seen it could tell better than any detector I had used in 25 years. That was back in 1997 and have had a Sovereign ever since, tried other detectors, but feel the Sovereign can tell me more and tell me more accurate than any detector I have ever used now in 34 year.
First thing I believe you should have a 180 digital meter as it will help tell the tones that are close sounding. A good set of headphones so you can hear the weak and deep targets that will block out most background noise. Set the Sovereign to begin with in auto sensitivity so the threshold will be smoother, put in in manual once you know it a little better. Run in iron mask on, put the switch for silent search in threshold and set for a slight hum so you can hear everything the coil will see, this way when it nulls you know it is over iron or a disc target. You will know if you are going too fast or not with the threshold as it will null, but the threshold should come back as soon as it sees another target. If it seem to be a solid null you know you are swinging the coil too fast as the coil cannot see the targets it is still nulling when it seen a different target and if going too fast it will see another null before it can give you the signal of a good target.
Now to help learn the Sovereign GT i would go to anyplace where new coins can be found that are not deep just to get the feel of the Sovereign and see what some good targets sound like. You will see that there maybe alot of signals, but soon you will see and hear how a good target will have a tone you wont forget after a while, so when swinging the Sovereign and daydreaming or watching the girls this tone will stop you in your tracks and check them out.
Like i say I thought I made a big mistake when I got the Sovereign and I know of many more too did and some gave up and sold it while others took the time to master it and have been finding some great finds others have been walking over for years. I know I have and proved it time and time again in areas i am told is worked out and you wont find anything.
It takes time, a lot of patience for some and not too much for others, you have to go slow to hear the good targets that are deep, when I say deep they are deep. Speed will kill the depth with the Sovereign. You must use the Sovereign to understand it and every time out you will learn something more about it.
Keep your disc no higher than around the 10 o'clock position so you can hear more and let the meter and the tone tell you about the target. A good signal is a repeatable signal that will not move, the tone and meter numbers will ID it for you. Doing the wiggle the number should be able to lock on other than the real deep ones and those the numbers will lock on, but only for a small area as it is deep.
Good luck and have patience. I used to say this Sovereign too will be the death of me, now i say bury me with my Sovereign so I can detect where I am going, just hope they have a place to charge my batteries and not real hot.
First thing I believe you should have a 180 digital meter as it will help tell the tones that are close sounding. A good set of headphones so you can hear the weak and deep targets that will block out most background noise. Set the Sovereign to begin with in auto sensitivity so the threshold will be smoother, put in in manual once you know it a little better. Run in iron mask on, put the switch for silent search in threshold and set for a slight hum so you can hear everything the coil will see, this way when it nulls you know it is over iron or a disc target. You will know if you are going too fast or not with the threshold as it will null, but the threshold should come back as soon as it sees another target. If it seem to be a solid null you know you are swinging the coil too fast as the coil cannot see the targets it is still nulling when it seen a different target and if going too fast it will see another null before it can give you the signal of a good target.
Now to help learn the Sovereign GT i would go to anyplace where new coins can be found that are not deep just to get the feel of the Sovereign and see what some good targets sound like. You will see that there maybe alot of signals, but soon you will see and hear how a good target will have a tone you wont forget after a while, so when swinging the Sovereign and daydreaming or watching the girls this tone will stop you in your tracks and check them out.
Like i say I thought I made a big mistake when I got the Sovereign and I know of many more too did and some gave up and sold it while others took the time to master it and have been finding some great finds others have been walking over for years. I know I have and proved it time and time again in areas i am told is worked out and you wont find anything.
It takes time, a lot of patience for some and not too much for others, you have to go slow to hear the good targets that are deep, when I say deep they are deep. Speed will kill the depth with the Sovereign. You must use the Sovereign to understand it and every time out you will learn something more about it.
Keep your disc no higher than around the 10 o'clock position so you can hear more and let the meter and the tone tell you about the target. A good signal is a repeatable signal that will not move, the tone and meter numbers will ID it for you. Doing the wiggle the number should be able to lock on other than the real deep ones and those the numbers will lock on, but only for a small area as it is deep.
Good luck and have patience. I used to say this Sovereign too will be the death of me, now i say bury me with my Sovereign so I can detect where I am going, just hope they have a place to charge my batteries and not real hot.
I bought this unit to hunt where I live, it's about 80 acres privately owned. There was a settlement here in the middle 1800's. Then they all went away about 1940. There is very very little modern trash. But there is a LOT of iron, especially nails.
I have hunted it off and on for 20 years with a Garrett Master Hunter ADS II. I have found a lot of coins and artifacts with that old beast.
I have found very few items with the GT, other than LARGE IRON items 50 feet deep. All I get is either nulling or HUGE DEEP IRON objects. Maybe the Garrett got all the goodies. I'm real close to putting the GT in the closet for awhile and using the Garrett until next spring. Or maybe the spring after that, or the one after that.
I've hunted long and hard since I got the GT and it really pi$$es me off that I can't make it do what it seems like it is capable of doing.
Slow? You wanna talk slow? I was going so slow this Saturday that two people from the local historical society came and put a plaque on me, then some pigeons came and perched on me. Nasty birdies.
I have the stock 10" BBS Tornado coil and the Sunray S-5. I can find twice as much DEEP IRON with the Tornado as with the Sunray. Found a beautiful LARGE SPIKE today about 20" deep. Thought I was going deaf with all the nulling. Went into all metal mode and dug a few dozen nails to clean out a 10 ft by 10 ft patch, went back over it with the 5" coil in disc and pulled some more nails out.
Probably the wrong detector for the area I'm detecting.
I'm sure it's just me.
I have hunted it off and on for 20 years with a Garrett Master Hunter ADS II. I have found a lot of coins and artifacts with that old beast.
I have found very few items with the GT, other than LARGE IRON items 50 feet deep. All I get is either nulling or HUGE DEEP IRON objects. Maybe the Garrett got all the goodies. I'm real close to putting the GT in the closet for awhile and using the Garrett until next spring. Or maybe the spring after that, or the one after that.
I've hunted long and hard since I got the GT and it really pi$$es me off that I can't make it do what it seems like it is capable of doing.
Slow? You wanna talk slow? I was going so slow this Saturday that two people from the local historical society came and put a plaque on me, then some pigeons came and perched on me. Nasty birdies.
I have the stock 10" BBS Tornado coil and the Sunray S-5. I can find twice as much DEEP IRON with the Tornado as with the Sunray. Found a beautiful LARGE SPIKE today about 20" deep. Thought I was going deaf with all the nulling. Went into all metal mode and dug a few dozen nails to clean out a 10 ft by 10 ft patch, went back over it with the 5" coil in disc and pulled some more nails out.
Probably the wrong detector for the area I'm detecting.
I'm sure it's just me.
To be honest with you, I have found in my maybe half a dozen excursions, about 20 memorial pennies (one wheatie), half a dozen dimes, one nickel, a clad quarter, a Bicentennial half dollar, three medals, a compass, three or four ghost signals(the signal that seems to dissapear after you start digging it), a few signals from hell (the ones that are so deep you give up thinking it must be a deep can, a Matt Dillon badge,a decorative brass hinge, a coffee can full of aluminum can slaw, not one nail and a hand full of pull tabs. Not really anything to brag about but I'm working some trashy sights that have been hunted alot. I feel that the trash has got to be hiding some goodies, so I keep at it. I havn't found any silver yet but I think that it's because I havn't swung my coil over any.
I wish I could find some of the large Iron you were talking about finding. Some iron pieces can be really interesting and can also be hiding the goodies.
Just keep at it Joe and learn while you do. Play with the controls a little and see what happens whether it be helpful or not, you'll still be learning your machine and remember that you are not alone when it comes to learning the machine. I'm in the same boat you are in as are alot of others. These Sovereigns wouldn't still be around if they didn't work.
Keep trying, and bring up some of that large iron. I wanna see axe heads and stuff like that in your posts and I will try to do the same.
HH, Bill
I wish I could find some of the large Iron you were talking about finding. Some iron pieces can be really interesting and can also be hiding the goodies.
Just keep at it Joe and learn while you do. Play with the controls a little and see what happens whether it be helpful or not, you'll still be learning your machine and remember that you are not alone when it comes to learning the machine. I'm in the same boat you are in as are alot of others. These Sovereigns wouldn't still be around if they didn't work.
Keep trying, and bring up some of that large iron. I wanna see axe heads and stuff like that in your posts and I will try to do the same.
HH, Bill
Bill,
It's those signals from hell that are really getting me. You have enough sense to stop, I have to get the BIG SHOVEL and keep digging and digging.
Found 4 license plates from the 1930's, junk. A large metal wash basin, junk. A hinge from a barn door, junk. A lid from a 55 gallon oil drum, junk. A bicycle rim, junk. The strap from around a wagon wheel, hmmm maybe not junk.
You should follow through on those signals from hell so you can share my joy.
That Matt Dillon badge would be a cool find.
Not one nail? What's your secret?
It's those signals from hell that are really getting me. You have enough sense to stop, I have to get the BIG SHOVEL and keep digging and digging.
Found 4 license plates from the 1930's, junk. A large metal wash basin, junk. A hinge from a barn door, junk. A lid from a 55 gallon oil drum, junk. A bicycle rim, junk. The strap from around a wagon wheel, hmmm maybe not junk.
You should follow through on those signals from hell so you can share my joy.
That Matt Dillon badge would be a cool find.
Not one nail? What's your secret?
Art (NWOH)
New member
You said......
I have the stock 10" BBS Tornado coil and the Sunray S-5. I can find twice as much DEEP IRON with the Tornado as with the Sunray. Found a beautiful LARGE SPIKE today about 20" deep. Thought I was going deaf with all the nulling. Went into all metal mode and dug a few dozen nails to clean out a 10 ft by 10 ft patch, went back over it with the 5" coil in disc and pulled some more nails out.
I think you just stated your real problem.
The 10" Tornado is a pig in heavily iron infested areas. It sucks up so much iron that it can't pick anything else up.
The S-5 won't go nearly as deep, but it won't see as much iron because of it's size. You will find more that is not terribly deep with the smaller coil in trash.
If you are nulled out more than half the time with a very slow sweep, then turn your sensitivity DOWN.
If you are getting a lot of hits on nails in disc mode, then turn your sensitivity DOWN. You should very rarely get a hit on a nail in disc mode unless you are running too high.
Nails can cause good targets to sound bad. Don't discriminate out ANYTHING but iron. Check out every hit from a lot of angles even if they sound like foil on the initial hit. Sometimes you can get a good reading from the right angle, but don't count on it. Pay attention to how the sound relates to the motion of the coil.
You will have to dig trash to find out what you are hearing. When you have checked a target from several angles and it always sounds like trash that you have dug before that always sounds the same way, then pass it up. If there is something about it that sounds different, then dig it up to see what it is.
AND.....
Watch your pinpointing in iron......
It causes you to pinpoint off center. You can miss a coin and end up digging a nail because of this. Once the nail is removed, then check the hole again in disc mode . The coin may be deeper than the nail was, or off to the side of the hole.
HH
I have the stock 10" BBS Tornado coil and the Sunray S-5. I can find twice as much DEEP IRON with the Tornado as with the Sunray. Found a beautiful LARGE SPIKE today about 20" deep. Thought I was going deaf with all the nulling. Went into all metal mode and dug a few dozen nails to clean out a 10 ft by 10 ft patch, went back over it with the 5" coil in disc and pulled some more nails out.
I think you just stated your real problem.
The 10" Tornado is a pig in heavily iron infested areas. It sucks up so much iron that it can't pick anything else up.
The S-5 won't go nearly as deep, but it won't see as much iron because of it's size. You will find more that is not terribly deep with the smaller coil in trash.
If you are nulled out more than half the time with a very slow sweep, then turn your sensitivity DOWN.
If you are getting a lot of hits on nails in disc mode, then turn your sensitivity DOWN. You should very rarely get a hit on a nail in disc mode unless you are running too high.
Nails can cause good targets to sound bad. Don't discriminate out ANYTHING but iron. Check out every hit from a lot of angles even if they sound like foil on the initial hit. Sometimes you can get a good reading from the right angle, but don't count on it. Pay attention to how the sound relates to the motion of the coil.
You will have to dig trash to find out what you are hearing. When you have checked a target from several angles and it always sounds like trash that you have dug before that always sounds the same way, then pass it up. If there is something about it that sounds different, then dig it up to see what it is.
AND.....
Watch your pinpointing in iron......
It causes you to pinpoint off center. You can miss a coin and end up digging a nail because of this. Once the nail is removed, then check the hole again in disc mode . The coin may be deeper than the nail was, or off to the side of the hole.
HH
Art (NWOH)
New member
Stop digging large hits unless you really want huge iron trash or are looking for a cache. Dig the narrow hits.
HH
HH
This is one thing with the GT I did notice over the older Sovereigns is it will fool you a little more on some nails because it is more sensitive. I find when I get one of these signals that sounds like a deep coin I will move my coil back trying to get this signal at the tip of the coil, then being you know where it is at I will turn and come at if from a different angle. A nail will move or null out when you do this a good signal will repeat in the same spot. On bigger iron you will tell it is a bigger area it repeats and even if you raise the coil up 4 o5 5 inches the signals stay the same it seem as that is a true sign of a large target.
One thing you can try also if you seem to be getting too many nails is run the iron mask off until you get to know the GT a little better, I never tried it but it is suppose to false less on iron according to the owners manual.
I have been working a farm site for the last month on and off and been in some heavy trash with all the nails and scrap piece of alum from the siding that was put on the house and other trash and got quite a few zinc fruit jar lids, some copper rivets from horse leather, some can slaw and some kind of pot metal that is too good not to dig. It is rare I dig a nail and only those that seem like they are bent or the fencing staples as they sound like a few of the real deep coins I have dug. I also have been fooled a few times with some very deep targets, but with the Sun Ray S1 probe once I open the hole and use the probe and get a signal and dig out 4 or 5 inches deeper and find the signal never got louder I know it is a big target.Some of these I feel are bad, but not sure enough not to dig as it can be a coin laying right next to a small piece of iron or other trash. There is some little tricks you will learn as you go with the GT or any Sovereign, some you will read about here, some you will learn as you use the GT more and see first hand what we are talking about.
At this time take your time and analyze each target before you dig, come at it from different angles to see how the tones and ID number read, lift the coil a little and see how high before you lose the signal as those that you can raise 7-10 inches and still sound almost the same are larger targets.
Good luck
One thing you can try also if you seem to be getting too many nails is run the iron mask off until you get to know the GT a little better, I never tried it but it is suppose to false less on iron according to the owners manual.
I have been working a farm site for the last month on and off and been in some heavy trash with all the nails and scrap piece of alum from the siding that was put on the house and other trash and got quite a few zinc fruit jar lids, some copper rivets from horse leather, some can slaw and some kind of pot metal that is too good not to dig. It is rare I dig a nail and only those that seem like they are bent or the fencing staples as they sound like a few of the real deep coins I have dug. I also have been fooled a few times with some very deep targets, but with the Sun Ray S1 probe once I open the hole and use the probe and get a signal and dig out 4 or 5 inches deeper and find the signal never got louder I know it is a big target.Some of these I feel are bad, but not sure enough not to dig as it can be a coin laying right next to a small piece of iron or other trash. There is some little tricks you will learn as you go with the GT or any Sovereign, some you will read about here, some you will learn as you use the GT more and see first hand what we are talking about.
At this time take your time and analyze each target before you dig, come at it from different angles to see how the tones and ID number read, lift the coil a little and see how high before you lose the signal as those that you can raise 7-10 inches and still sound almost the same are larger targets.
Good luck