Bummer!:ranting: My brand new MMK may be faullty :throw:

[Mr. Carolina]

I'm sure the HOT mode has everything to do with it. I read another post where they could not silence the iron in 3 Tone. I have not tried this yet. Something's up!

Carolina

 

[anton]

Hi All
The manual says if you have trouble Ground Balancing, Do the ground Balance in Beach mode and then return to the mode you want to hunt in.
Quote from Manual
Kruzer is designed to allow for automatic ground balancing conveniently on any type of ground. Therefore, it is recommended to perform automatic ground balance upon start up. However, the ground may not be suitable for automatic ground balancing in some cases and the device cannot ground balance on such grounds (Except for the BEACH mode). For instance, wet beach sand, soils containing alkali or salty water, trashy sites, plowed fields, highly mineralized grounds and grounds with very low mineralization are not suitable for automatic ground balance. In such terrains, you can auto ground balance in the BEACH mode and then switch to other modes or try manual ground balancing. However, manual ground balance requires a skill which develops over time through practice.

I have no answer for why it will ground balance in 2 or 4 tone.

Just stating that the Auto balance in 3 Tone is not the only way to ground Balance.

in all fairness, that is not the point..it has an actual fault in not ground balancing at all...it should, we might as well say,oh well,di 3 doesnt work properly,you have 5 other modes..no thanks.. i paid for a fully functional machine

 

[anton]

I just went out and I have the same issue. Will not GB in disc. 3. I tried gain 80 and gain 92 both sides of 89 and nothing but a sore arm!!! GB in all other modes is fine. Houston we have a problem!!! Dilek please contact me. I have a GOLD Cruzer on order, maybe should cancel. No need to ship another machine with issues.

Carolina

this is obviously an issue..and di 3 is my mode of choice for my hunting

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

I checked my unit

If I auto Ground Balance in Beach Mode it saves the GB number in 3 Tone Mode.
So you can still use di 3

You also have the ground tracking option. did you try that?

 

[anton]

I checked my unit

If I auto Ground Balance in Beach Mode it saves the GB number in 3 Tone Mode.
So you can still use di 3

You also have the ground tracking option. did you try that?

your missing the point .. i know all that, i have the nokta impact..the point is..it is NOT doing what it should..that is a fault..i know i can balance in beach mode etc and carry the gb value over to di 3..but it cant ground balance in normal ground conditions in di 3 AFTER the initial balance(or becomes very intermittant).. that is what im on a about

 

[UtahRich]

I checked my unit

If I auto Ground Balance in Beach Mode it saves the GB number in 3 Tone Mode.
So you can still use di 3

You also have the ground tracking option. did you try that?

your missing the point .. i know all that, i have the nokta impact..the point is..it is NOT doing what it should..that is a fault..i know i can balance in beach mode etc and carry the gb value over to di 3..but it cant ground balance in normal ground conditions in di 3 AFTER the initial balance(or becomes very intermittant).. that is what im on a about

I think this is a simple matter of having one of the software engineers look through the code for the Di3 mode and see if there is a little bug sitting there that didn't get caught during the testing phase. It can be updated online, which is a big bonus. No shipping or grief.

Makro / Nokta has been excellent in taking care of their customers and I expect the same will be seen here.


Rich (Utah)

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Hello there... I am in touch with my engineers and will get an answer for you soon guys...I am sorry it is taking longer than usual but I am at a trade show in Germany ..just wanted to post this so you do not hink I am not following up on it... will be in touch early next week.... thank you for the patience!

 

[anton]

I checked my unit

If I auto Ground Balance in Beach Mode it saves the GB number in 3 Tone Mode.
So you can still use di 3

You also have the ground tracking option. did you try that?

your missing the point .. i know all that, i have the nokta impact..the point is..it is NOT doing what it should..that is a fault..i know i can balance in beach mode etc and carry the gb value over to di 3..but it cant ground balance in normal ground conditions in di 3 AFTER the initial balance(or becomes very intermittant).. that is what im on a about

I think this is a simple matter of having one of the software engineers look through the code for the Di3 mode and see if there is a little bug sitting there that didn't get caught during the testing phase. It can be updated online, which is a big bonus. No shipping or grief.

Makro / Nokta has been excellent in taking care of their customers and I expect the same will be seen here.


Rich (Utah)

i definitely dont think its a hardware fault, just a software algorythm on the di 3 side of things needs to be looked at..if i was a betting man, i forsee a software update coming real soon

 

[anton]

Hello there... I am in touch with my engineers and will get an answer for you soon guys...I am sorry it is taking longer than usual but I am at a trade show in Germany ..just wanted to post this so you do not hink I am not following up on it... will be in touch early next week.... thank you for the patience!

awesome..thank you

 

[Ozleif]

If you ask your dealer he might be able to tell you if someone else in your area have a Kruzer.

 

[Justme]

I've got one, haven't been able to get out and experiment with it yet. In n.c.

 

[Kapok]

Just tested the GB on my Multi Kruzer. I switched it on, then went right to 3 tones and it balanced right away. Turned off the detector, turned it back on, switched to 3 tones and it would not balance after about 10 pumps. Switched to 4 tones then back to 3 and tried to GB. It beeped once after about 5 pumps but then wouldn’t do it again. So something hinky is going on.

Question, though. You don’t have to GB every time you switch modes, do you? So wouldn’t it be ok to balance in 4, for example, then switch to 3?

 

[kajunman]

So I've been following this thread. I got a Multi Kruzer on Monday. I've just been playing with it in my yard. I was having the same issues in 3 tone. BUT, you know how we look for an area with no sounds to ground balance over ? Well when I switched to other modes I was getting signals on my M Kruzer where as in 3 tone I wasn't getting any signals. So I put it in deep mode and found an area that had no signals and switched to 3 tone. Bam ! 3 tone ground balanced just fine. I was as perplexed as all of you so I tried something different. What I was thinking was 3 tone is very shallow so it won't pick up the deeper signals and that might be an impedance to ground balancing. For me anyway this seems to have solved the issue. I hope that maybe this will be the same issues as you all are having and will help.

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

Kajunman,

I was out this afternoon for two hours in 33 degree Weather ---Burrrrr!

At this time I am more interested in 4 tone with 19 Khz. I was looking for deep high tones without ID. This unit is good on nickels.

But this ground balancing thing was on my mind too, so I did some testing in 3 tone after a while.
The chatter of medium conductive metal objects at the site I was at, dropped dramatically in 3 tone. Real quiet. Either more Discrimination at play or not sensing deeper items. But I know there was more scrap metal in the ground from using 4 tone.
Although the ground Balance for 4 tone carries over to be the same in 3 tones, I could Re - Ground Balance after changing to 3 tone. Then after a few minutes of hunting I tried to ground balance again and I was successful. Then a third time I was able Ground Balance after hunting.

I think your explanation of hidden metal not sensed in 3 tone mode while trying to Ground Balance has some merit.

 

[Ozleif]

Kajunman.

Keep in mind that Ground Balance is done in GEN Mode always.

 

[Kapok]

Kajunman.

Keep in mind that Ground Balance is done in GEN Mode always.

I see what you mean, I think. The manual states:
"When the GB button is pushed while performing automatic or manual ground balance, the device will switch to the General Search (GEN) mode automatically on the background without any indication to the user, regardless of the selected search mode." Hmm... I wonder if, in 3 tones, the detector isn't making this automatic mode switch.

 

[kajunman]

Kajunman.

Keep in mind that Ground Balance is done in GEN Mode always.

Correct, but if you have switched to 3 tone and don't hear the deeper metals then try to ground balance over the deeper metals it won't work. So I am hoping for all that it's an operator fault like it was with me.

 

[kajunman]

Kajunman,

I was out this afternoon for two hours in 33 degree Weather ---Burrrrr!

At this time I am more interested in 4 tone with 19 Khz. I was looking for deep high tones without ID. This unit is good on nickels.

But this ground balancing thing was on my mind too, so I did some testing in 3 tone after a while.
The chatter of medium conductive metal objects at the site I was at, dropped dramatically in 3 tone. Real quiet. Either more Discrimination at play or not sensing deeper items. But I know there was more scrap metal in the ground from using 4 tone.
Although the ground Balance for 4 tone carries over to be the same in 3 tones, I could Re - Ground Balance after changing to 3 tone. Then after a few minutes of hunting I tried to ground balance again and I was successful. Then a third time I was able Ground Balance after hunting.

I think your explanation of hidden metal not sensed in 3 tone mode while trying to Ground Balance has some merit.

Coin, I'm just trying to help. I know my system worked for me and I was thrilled. I hope it helps others.

 

[kajunman]

Kajunman.

Keep in mind that Ground Balance is done in GEN Mode always. I see what you mean, I think. The manual states:
"When the GB button is pushed while performing automatic or manual ground balance, the device will switch to the General Search (GEN) mode automatically on the background without any indication to the user, regardless of the selected search mode." Hmm... I wonder if, in 3 tones, the detector isn't making this automatic mode switch.

Kapok you should be able to hear the gen mode even if it doesn't ground balance. If you do then you know something is underneath the coil.

 

[Mr. Carolina]

When I experimented with 3 Tone GB, I never moved. I used the exact same foot print for all GB functions. Deep, 4 Tone, 2 Tone all re-ground balanced. 3 Tone would not GB in the exact same foot print. As Ozlief pointed out, GB is done in Gen mode no matter what mode you are searching in. That is why you hear the threshold tone for a moment after GB has taken place. If the same coil footprint for Deep and 4 Tone GB then shouldn't 3 Tone?

Kajunman, what do you consider deep high tones without ID to be in inches of depth. My Kruzer has very poor depth in 4 Tone and Deep and the threshold in Gen is very weak even at 10. Only with phones can I hear the threshold tones. Target response is loud and clear on 2 however.

Thanks to all
Carolina