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Best set of Headphones for detecting with the sovereign

OBN, those Sonys you picked up- Did you get the same model # of the $20 Sonys listed on the first page of Sovereign Accessories Sticky? Reason I'm asking, is that I'm VERY interested in hearing what you think of the audio of those speakers, since obviously you are very well verses in headphones for the Excalibur in such.

In no way have I owned or tried as many headphones or speakers as you on detectors over the years. Sure, I'ved owned quite a few, but not nearly as much as you, so I'm very interested in hearing your opinion of the Sonys. To me they have the best audio I've used on any detector in terms of headphones. I remember I think Crazyman turned me onto them, and me and several others got them and also found the audio to be excellent.

Not sure if they are still sold at Walmart but a few years ago they were. Might only be available online now maybe, but I know there is also an updated version with the same speakers, but has some nice added features such as a curly cable cord.

My only complaint with them is a lack of volume controls or say a limiter, but as said in my precisely measured air tests via a ruler and camera, even with the volume on the GT all the way down I see no difference in depth in disc. I do in PP mode though.

Also, if you could- compare the quality of the audio with volume all the way down versus it all the way up. I'm curious to hear if you think the audio changes with it at full to something "less" due to the headphones being overloaded or something? I haven't really noticed that myself when I've cranked it to full in low trash environments, but just the same I'm wondering if the "somewhat" changed audio is due strictly to how the Sovereign processes the audio at full blast volume vs at lowest? Hope you know what I mean here.
 
Critter I will let you know, they are Sony MDR-V150. Going to do a few minutes in the pool sunday to check and see how well the audio is underwater on the set I just built, will do a compare of audio of the stock Excalibur Koss, the Sony's V150's, and my new setup once I've finished the water testing. I need to get the Sony's apart..they look sealed. Post a video for you of all later in the week on all...here is the set I just finished for the CTX...now I need to purchase a CTX to see how well the work...:detecting:
 
A friend gave me a pair of the Grey Ghosts and I found the audio was terrible on my GT. It had a real flat and "inside a tin can" type of quality to it. However, I think OBN or somebody has a fix for that? In that I think you yoke a part out of the headphones to match them better to the Sov/Excal. OBN? I know those Grey Ghosts have a good reputation and are pricey, but I disliked them so much I gave them back to my friend. I didn't want him giving me headphones to keep that I planned never to use, being that they are worth a decent buck.
 
OldBeechnut said:
Critter I will let you know, they are Sony MDR-V150. Going to do a few minutes in the pool sunday to check and see how well the audio is underwater on the set I just built, will do a compare of audio of the stock Excalibur Koss, the Sony's V150's, and my new setup once I've finished the water testing. I need to get the Sony's apart..they look sealed. Post a video for you of all later in the week on all...here is the set I just finished for the CTX...now I need to purchase a CTX to see how well the work...:detecting:
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OK then, MDR-V150 should be the same ones Crazyman had and I have, listed as V-150 in the Sov Accessories sticky. The uprgraded model of them is called the MDR-V500DJ. Don't know what they had feature wise (maybe volume controls) over the V-150, other than a curly headphone cable, but I know the speakers were said to be the same as the V-150 model.

Real curious to see how you like the audio of them, with volume at lowest and highest too, and when you report on them will that be with them waterproofed or not, as that might change the quality of the audio. If you got a pair you haven't modded yet, plug them in and test them, because I really want to know your expert opinion on the quality of the audio compared to other headphones/speakers you've used. Thanks.
 
Tried the Gray G and sound just not there for me, the SunRays were much better for my hearing. Better tone range between different targets.
 
Sandpiper said:
Tried the Gray G and sound just not there for me, the SunRays were much better for my hearing. Better tone range between different targets.
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I agree the GG need help......maybe in the futrue they will address the issue.

Took the "Skullies" (figured they needed a name) for a short dip in the pool sunday, did a lot of time underwater and did perfect....Have more under video but keep it short......settled on the audiosears 2463's, Same as speaker the Sunray....Next is to do the compare of Koss stock Yellows, Skullies, and the Sonys...should be a few days, needs to be a controlled test.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRdBXXzqTPw&feature=youtu.be
 
Joe those Pro Gold would be my second choice but i still like my Black Widow best on my Sov GT ! i can hear the slightest whisper and my hearing is 100% . Jim

 
Thanks Jim, the Sunray ProGolds and the Black widows use the same audiosears 2463. I think the difference is the shells..here are some interesting results so far..I used a sound meter to test each set of headphones for loudness/db's on a single target....Not the tones, that is coming...
I still have to compare wiring speakers in parallel and series also for the best results.

Number one was...the tubes....117 to 121db's on a target...louder then my Doc's amped set of pel-tors, these are excellent for the faints if you hunt in the PP/Am mode...Funny, I took a set down to OC MD for testing, ended up using them 2 of the three days.....but the down side, the tones, bad..you can tell hi,mid,low but they take some getting use to...
 
OldBeechnut said:
Thanks Jim, the Sunray ProGolds and the Black widows use the same audiosears 2463. I think the difference is the shells..here are some interesting results so far..I used a sound meter to test each set of headphones for loudness/db's on a single target....Not the tones, that is coming...
I still have to compare wiring speakers in parallel and series also for the best results.

Number one was...the tubes....117 to 121db's on a target...louder then my Doc's amped set of pel-tors, these are excellent for the faints if you hunt in the PP/Am mode...Funny, I took a set down to OC MD for testing, ended up using them 2 of the three days.....but the down side, the tones, bad..you can tell hi,mid,low but they take some getting use to...
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I always used the head phones that came with my Whites DFX once i tried my BW phones on my DFX and i thought i had a completely different detector the volume was lower and all the tones had changed i could not get used to using the BW,s on the DFX , it sure makes a big change depending on what phones you use . Jim
 
I agree, to get the most from a set of headphones, they must be matched up to that detector model.
 
OBN, so what's your opinion on the Sony speakers? For me they've had the best audio I've ever used in terms of headphones for a detector. If there is something better then you are the guy to know about it. I've been planning to pick up the Sun Ray Pro Golds down the road, just because they have volume controls and a limiter and are said to have good audio too on the Sovereign, just in case there is a depth difference between lowest volume set on the GT versus turning it all the way up.

But my tests, measured precisely with a ruler in the forground of the camera, show no depth difference between lowest or highest volume in discrimination. Only PP mode shows more depth at full volume for me. Don't know if the no depth difference in disc is due to these Sonys allowing even the faintest of signals to break through (versus some other headphones), or if it's due to people's hearing, or if it's due to the GT having it's circuits wired a bit different than prior Sovereign models, because I've always been told that the volume control on the Sovereign should be at full and then adjusted on the headphones to insure you hear the deepest of targets. Just don't see it myself, at least on my GT and with these headphones.

But I've recently been running tests on a new Excalibur II with 10" Tornado and yea, for sure....at lowest volume but with threshold high enough to hear it won't even sound off to a dime an inch away on the ground. I doubt it could be the headphones in that case, as bad as the stock yellow headphones are said to be, and would have to think it's due to how the electronics are wired involving the volume control on the Excalibur, and so I would suspect some prior Sovereign models as well? Has to be some reason why "turn it to full volume and then lower it on your headphones" was always seemed to be said. Only thing I can think is that the GT might be wired different?

Still, lacking volume control on the Sonys I have to keep it all the way down on the GT to keep surface blasts from nailing me, and I always have that small amount of doubt in the back of my mind if somehow there might be a depth difference with full volume. Only thing my tests showed me, besides volume effecting PP mode's depth, was that full volume in disc did allow me to hear the "meat" of a target easier at fringe depth to analyze it's traits better, but I can still hear it at lowest volume well enough to know what the target should be. This video shows that testing of lowest versus highest volume and how that effected pin point but not discrimination on my GT...

http://youtu.be/G817__EOC8A
 
Critter something to think about, I have experienced differences in the audio of the XS2 compared to the excalibur...You would think they would be the same but for some reason there not, so maybe what works with the GT may not with the excalibur as well...? I'm going to do some video on all the tones, and ask you guys what you think...I'm not quite sure what targets to use..

but I guess
quarter X nickle
nickle X med gold ring
Med Gold ring X pull tab..
Zincon X Wheaty
sm gold ring X foil
Any suggestions...?

And Critter, This is with the excalibur
the higher the Ohm speaker, the louder the reply on a target, Higher SPL/db
The lower Ohm, the lower SPL/db
Get this, the lower the Ohm's, they work better with Doc's amp..the higher Ohm...SPL/db drops,and audio very bad
 
I'm just learning my new GT, I purchased a cheap set of garrett clear sound compact headphones with the detector $22 , come to find out these seperate tones are so close together on the Gt I can hardly tell the difference. The garretts are 8 ohm headphones and the manual recomends 32-100 ohm phones for the GT. Here's my concern, I'm leaning toward the koss UR 30 as they are 100 ohm or the sun ray gold (pricey) how critical is this ohm thing and with a good set of phones will it be easier to differenciate the tones? The cheap garretts all sound muffled and bassy. Basically i'm looking for the most seperation.
Thanks all HH
 
Good morning from Tasmania,

Have been off the forum for several months, travelling around with our caravan on the Australian mainland. Looks like I've got some reading ahead to catch up on all the gossip. Last time I was on the east coast of the US was about to be trashed by a hurricane.

I was lucky enough to be given two sets of aviation phones. I removed the boom mike from one set and sealed up the hole with a small rubber grommet. These phones are incredibly sensitive on my sovereign. The reason I was given them was because the gel pads had dried out and had started to crack. These pads are available as spares on the web or from various retailers. I would suggest anyone after a pair to check out their local small plane airport or aero club. Pilots are very fussy about their equipment and you may be lucky enough to pick up a set cheap or for nothing as I did.
They can be bought brand new, but are hellish expensive. see below !!

Impedance is 100 Ohms which is a good match for the Sovereign. I run them at about center volume, though you need to be careful setting up, I run at a very, very low threshold and it the volume on the phones is set too high a large target can give you a bit of a fright.

Aviation Headset Helicopter Green
C9072 $229.00
 
jspoon, I would go with the ur 30's. I used them several years ago on the excalibur..not bad..just did not know how to WP them at the time...
 
O B Nut I was thinking about those, do they have a volume control? My other choice are the sun ray golds. Do the koss have decent tone seperation?
Thanks very nuch. HH
 
As far as I remember, no volume control. Yes, they do well with separation..but the Sunrays I have never used, but have the Black Widows, Same speaker, different wiring and contained, and liked but with the SE..
 
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