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Best coinhunter in trashy areas.
- Thread starter Dale
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rentasquid
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I use a Pantera with a 9X8 coil for open ground, but when I'm in trashy areas, I switch to a 7" coil. There are some places where a 4" would even be better. I think any detector will respond the same with a smaller coil, that is unless you're talking about iron trash, where some detectors will handle iron better than others.
J.
J.
Thanks, I am using a Tejon, my backup detector is a Shadow x2 with 7 inch coil. The Shadow gets good target separation with the 7 inch coil and I have the backup detector with me, so I like to grab it when I hit the trashy areas rather than switch coils. I was wondering if others had opinions on what detectors thy like for trashy areas.
Excerpt from a post made by Monte in response to a question by Andre on the old A & S forum, sometime in 1997 I believe.
"<i>Those models that will go lower into the discriminate range (Tesoro refers to them as the ED-180 models), such as Tesoro's Amigo II, allow adjustment of a variable
discriminate control into this lower range. Now, that gets you into an All Metal accept
motion mode, but a skilled operator can fine-tune these models.
The best I have ever used was probably the Gold Mountain GMT-1650 that was also
marketed as the Gold Mountain Cobra. Do **NOT** confuse this with the King Cobra they
offered, or the Cobra II manufactured by Discovery Electronics for Kellyco.
Gold Mountain, about a decade ago, came out with a King Cobra that was a turn-on-and-go
model that was a too-close copy of a Tesoro Golden Sabre with notch adjustment. They
then introduced the Cobra/GMT-1650 that was a manually ground balanced model and
featured a toggle switch that allowed you to select "High or Low" range for the discriminate
control adjustment. By selecting "Low" it let you fine-tune the discriminate control to just
knock out nails and respond wonderfully to near-by coins, such as those touching a nail or
with a nail laying directly on top.
If I were to help design any new model detector I would certainly like to see such a
split-control feature to allow advanced operation in the discriminate mode........Monte</i>"
After I read that post I started looking for a GMT 1650, took a couple of years to find one but it has been well worth the effort it took to locate. It's the best vlf in trash, at least ferrous trash, I've seen. Below is a post I made on the Metal Detecting Equipment forum in 2000.
<img src="http://www.imageuploading.com/ims/pic.php?u=2342rG1OJ&i=21954" align="right" vspace="2"hspace="2"/>"<i>Spent a couple of hours after work today at an old football field here that was used from 1915 until 1958. There have been hundreds of coins taken out of about a 30' X 30' square where the concession stand was but it hasn't given up anything but recently dropped surface coins in years. It 's been hunted by dozens of folks with just about every detector made since the early 60's. I've hunted it at least 75 times and used various Garretts, Tesoros, Newforce, Whites, Fishers and Sovereign, including using small coils. The last silver coin to come up was a lone dime barely 2 inches down I found with a Sovereign 3 years ago and that was the first older coin in 6 or 7 years from the spot. It is literally carpeted with steel bottle caps and nails like in the pic. I used a Gold Mountain GMT 1650 with 8" coil there today and found the coins in the pic. The dimes are two 1917's and a 35. The nickels and wheaties are 30's, 40's and early 50's. Buffalo has no date and the junk ring is copper or brass. The GMT is better in iron than any Tesoro, or anything else, I've had and has surprising depth considering it's age. The coins were only 3" to 4" down except one nickel that was maybe 5", but a lot of us with big dollar machines left them in the ground.</i>"
I pulled a total of 19 coins from that spot with the 1650 that myself and a lot of others couldn't pull out of the trash with any of the many other detectors we've used there. I've rehunted it many times, including with all of the detectors I've bought or traded for, since I made that post and the only older coin found was a 1930 wheatie right against a big rusty nail, and it was also found with the 1650. I still have and use the GMT 1650, it's one detector I won't let go.
JB
"<i>Those models that will go lower into the discriminate range (Tesoro refers to them as the ED-180 models), such as Tesoro's Amigo II, allow adjustment of a variable
discriminate control into this lower range. Now, that gets you into an All Metal accept
motion mode, but a skilled operator can fine-tune these models.
The best I have ever used was probably the Gold Mountain GMT-1650 that was also
marketed as the Gold Mountain Cobra. Do **NOT** confuse this with the King Cobra they
offered, or the Cobra II manufactured by Discovery Electronics for Kellyco.
Gold Mountain, about a decade ago, came out with a King Cobra that was a turn-on-and-go
model that was a too-close copy of a Tesoro Golden Sabre with notch adjustment. They
then introduced the Cobra/GMT-1650 that was a manually ground balanced model and
featured a toggle switch that allowed you to select "High or Low" range for the discriminate
control adjustment. By selecting "Low" it let you fine-tune the discriminate control to just
knock out nails and respond wonderfully to near-by coins, such as those touching a nail or
with a nail laying directly on top.
If I were to help design any new model detector I would certainly like to see such a
split-control feature to allow advanced operation in the discriminate mode........Monte</i>"
After I read that post I started looking for a GMT 1650, took a couple of years to find one but it has been well worth the effort it took to locate. It's the best vlf in trash, at least ferrous trash, I've seen. Below is a post I made on the Metal Detecting Equipment forum in 2000.
<img src="http://www.imageuploading.com/ims/pic.php?u=2342rG1OJ&i=21954" align="right" vspace="2"hspace="2"/>"<i>Spent a couple of hours after work today at an old football field here that was used from 1915 until 1958. There have been hundreds of coins taken out of about a 30' X 30' square where the concession stand was but it hasn't given up anything but recently dropped surface coins in years. It 's been hunted by dozens of folks with just about every detector made since the early 60's. I've hunted it at least 75 times and used various Garretts, Tesoros, Newforce, Whites, Fishers and Sovereign, including using small coils. The last silver coin to come up was a lone dime barely 2 inches down I found with a Sovereign 3 years ago and that was the first older coin in 6 or 7 years from the spot. It is literally carpeted with steel bottle caps and nails like in the pic. I used a Gold Mountain GMT 1650 with 8" coil there today and found the coins in the pic. The dimes are two 1917's and a 35. The nickels and wheaties are 30's, 40's and early 50's. Buffalo has no date and the junk ring is copper or brass. The GMT is better in iron than any Tesoro, or anything else, I've had and has surprising depth considering it's age. The coins were only 3" to 4" down except one nickel that was maybe 5", but a lot of us with big dollar machines left them in the ground.</i>"
I pulled a total of 19 coins from that spot with the 1650 that myself and a lot of others couldn't pull out of the trash with any of the many other detectors we've used there. I've rehunted it many times, including with all of the detectors I've bought or traded for, since I made that post and the only older coin found was a 1930 wheatie right against a big rusty nail, and it was also found with the 1650. I still have and use the GMT 1650, it's one detector I won't let go.
JB
rentasquid
New member
n/t
Thanks for the great feedback, exactly what I was looking for. I bought a Gold Mountain Cobra when they were new, always wished I got the 1650 instead. I actually have an original Bandido I haven't used in some time, and my brother has a mumax Bandido he doesn't use that I could use, I don't know which would be better. I believe I will get the 5.75 for the Tejon too.
(or Cobra) could be just the ticket. The main problem with them was that they did lack a little control, and they also tended to be a bit inconsistent in their manufacture. I definitely had 'HOT' and 'COLD' specimens, and I think it was simply due to the pressure to get some cash flow to get the restart off the ground. Too bad they went under!
I used to use the 8" and 4" coils a lot in heavily iron littered ghost towns and similar environments and they rivaled the Tesoro's of the day, to be sure!
The only units since then that I have enjoyed as much (or almost as much) when it came to iron handling performance, were the Lobo, Amigo II/Compadre, and the Classic III & IDX Pro. They have the full range (Tesoro lingo is ED-180 Disc.) discrimination acceptance and remain my personal favorite all purpose versatile unit for those types of sites.
With Bill Crabtree's modifications, I have the manual control necessary to deal with any coil selection or site environment.
Glad you found and enjoy a good one!
Monte
I used to use the 8" and 4" coils a lot in heavily iron littered ghost towns and similar environments and they rivaled the Tesoro's of the day, to be sure!
The only units since then that I have enjoyed as much (or almost as much) when it came to iron handling performance, were the Lobo, Amigo II/Compadre, and the Classic III & IDX Pro. They have the full range (Tesoro lingo is ED-180 Disc.) discrimination acceptance and remain my personal favorite all purpose versatile unit for those types of sites.
With Bill Crabtree's modifications, I have the manual control necessary to deal with any coil selection or site environment.
Glad you found and enjoy a good one!
Monte
I've really enjoyed using the 1650. Thanks for putting me on them, even if you didn't know you were doing so 
. The Compadre, and it predecessor the Amigo, is also very good in ferrous trash, close to the 1650, and I was surprised at how well the Tejon handles ferrous trash. It's also very good as long as the sensitivity isn't set too high. I had a couple of Whites Classics, a II and a III, but never used them where there was a lot of ferrous trash. Here's a little story about the Compadre and the 1650.
We were hunting an old homesite that was in an area that also had Civil War activity. A hunting buddy was using a Compadre, me the 1650, another hunting buddy a CZ and a friend of his was using a ShadowX2 with 7 inch coil. I got an eagle button about two inches from half a rusty horseshoe, the X2 guy had just swung over it and couldn't believe he missed it. I put two small rusty square nails I had picked up on the ground and asked the others to set the disc on their machines to reject them. The X2 rejected them at 0 disc. Then I put them on top of the eagle button and asked them to pull unplug their headphones so we all could hear what kind of sound they got. The Compadre and 1650 "nailed" the button with no problem, the X2 gave no signal at all, still at 0 disc setting, and the CZ was completely lost.
JB
. The Compadre, and it predecessor the Amigo, is also very good in ferrous trash, close to the 1650, and I was surprised at how well the Tejon handles ferrous trash. It's also very good as long as the sensitivity isn't set too high. I had a couple of Whites Classics, a II and a III, but never used them where there was a lot of ferrous trash. Here's a little story about the Compadre and the 1650.We were hunting an old homesite that was in an area that also had Civil War activity. A hunting buddy was using a Compadre, me the 1650, another hunting buddy a CZ and a friend of his was using a ShadowX2 with 7 inch coil. I got an eagle button about two inches from half a rusty horseshoe, the X2 guy had just swung over it and couldn't believe he missed it. I put two small rusty square nails I had picked up on the ground and asked the others to set the disc on their machines to reject them. The X2 rejected them at 0 disc. Then I put them on top of the eagle button and asked them to pull unplug their headphones so we all could hear what kind of sound they got. The Compadre and 1650 "nailed" the button with no problem, the X2 gave no signal at all, still at 0 disc setting, and the CZ was completely lost
.JB
John in Florida
Well-known member
That's the first time I've seen you refer to any Tesoro as having "terrible" iron handling capabilities. As a matter of fact many folks like the Super 7 coil for a variety of reasons....
It seems that when it comes to tests one extinct detector and anther one with a smaller coil is needed to prove how terrible the Shasow X2/Tesoro uMax detectors are..
I know that most folks who have used one would disagree about that.
I can talk about the iron handling capabilities of some White's detectors..if you want 'terrible'.
John
It seems that when it comes to tests one extinct detector and anther one with a smaller coil is needed to prove how terrible the Shasow X2/Tesoro uMax detectors are..
I know that most folks who have used one would disagree about that.
I can talk about the iron handling capabilities of some White's detectors..if you want 'terrible'.
John
John in Florida
Well-known member
I'll get this posting thing right, yet..
John, if I might:
"That's the first time I've seen you refer to any Tesoro as having "terrible" iron handling capabilities.".... well, I have stated the same in the past years on a variety of forums. I have also demonstrated the performance, or lack there-of, to fellow hunters at some challenging sites.
Now, don't get me wrong. I like some of the newer models, such as the Bandido II
"That's the first time I've seen you refer to any Tesoro as having "terrible" iron handling capabilities.".... well, I have stated the same in the past years on a variety of forums. I have also demonstrated the performance, or lack there-of, to fellow hunters at some challenging sites.
Now, don't get me wrong. I like some of the newer models, such as the Bandido II
Mike in Ky
New member
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Mike in Ky
New member
John, I've got a nice Troy Super 7" coil and coil cover that I'd swap for a Tesoro 7" concentric or a 9x8 either one with a coil cover. I just like the Tesoro coils better.
Mike
Mike
John in Florida
Well-known member
Over all, Tesoros, in my opinion, handle iron better than most detectors. They are far from 'terrible'.
John
John
Mike in Ky
New member
Of course you know there is always alot of nails and junk around old homesites. I'm not really bothered by them with my Bandido II uMax and 7" concentric coil. When I put the Shadow Super 7 coil on I can't say that. It may just be a more sensitive coil, I'm not sure. All I have is Tesoro's anymore. I guess I'll just put the Shadow coil up for sale and buy another 7" concentric Tesoro coil.
Mike
Mike