Rainyday101, i'll offer my opinion if your'e interested. I own a Vaquero and a xterra 705, and in a air test the 705 smokes the vaquero, but in actual ground i'm not so sure? As far as TID and tones, it's apples and rocks as far as comparisons. The 705 has no competition in the Vaquero in that category. Also the Vaquero doesn't come close to competing with the 705 with anything except maybe depth in actual ground. And the reason i say that is because the Vaquero seems to go deeper in actual dirt then in an air test, if that's possible. You also mention an F70, as i have one of those as well, i have used it but i am not a seasoned F70 user, but i'll offer my thoughts from what time i have used it. The F70 is probably deeper then the 705 and the Vaquero, But when you turn up the settings for DEEP it starts cackling like a scared chicken. Still usable but a little aggrevating.
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Beep and dig vs. Tones/TID
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hihosilver
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Rainyday101 said:
rainyday,
from what I have read on this forum (no actual experience), it sounds like the Cortes might be what you are looking for. They say it is a deep machine and you also get the TID in all metal mode (which has manual GB). I think I also read that the SUM mode (which would give a tone ID) can also be toggled from the allmetal mode once you find a target.
Out of all the units I have used over the years, one of the best in terms of running high discrimination settings and keeping depth, are the CZ units. There are trades offs when using these units, but as far as running high discrimination and depth loss, there isn't any.
I had an Omega, and although a capable machine, it's build quality was no where in the same league as a Tesoro. The word "flimsy" best describes it. I don't think you will see people using 20 year old Teknetic machines in the future, the way we see old Tesoros still in use today. The T2, however, was very well built. It's almost like it was made by a different company.
So far the Omega and Cibola seem to be equal in the depth department (I think the Cibola discriminates better tho especially in trash both with the stock coil) but as I have no EMI issues with the Cibola and quite a bit with the Omega so have never been able to get it anywhere nears its maximum sensitivity. I can't say that it won't go deeper than the Cibola but on the other hand I can't say it will either. I've only been able to get out with the 705 for 2 hunts since I bought it so I can't really compare it against the other 2 yet. The DeLeon I had would go as deep as either of the first 2 machines. I also like having the ability to notch with the Omega (I normally turn up the disc to just under zinc then notch in nickels) and use 4 tones or with the 705 I use program 2 and either 4 tones or 99 (really works out to be 2
. Still get some tabs and the usual bottle caps and other trash that can fool the detector, but I really like having the tones to listen to. Having said all of that this is in the ground I hunt here in La. so there may be more of a difference where you hunt. Hope this helps.
. Still get some tabs and the usual bottle caps and other trash that can fool the detector, but I really like having the tones to listen to. Having said all of that this is in the ground I hunt here in La. so there may be more of a difference where you hunt. Hope this helps.Rainyday101
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Yowow#1, I appreciate your opinion. As far as TID units go I know the 705 is a great machine. Right now using the Silver most of the areas I hunt are sandy and the coins run deep there. My Silver has found many late 60's and early 70's coins there at the 6-7" range. It seems logical the older ones are deeper. At 7" the Silver is almost at the edge of it's depth with my disc set high enough to leave out tabs but still hit solid on pennies on up. The money I spend on the next detector has to offer a clear depth advantage over the Silver uMax or it is not worth upgrading. Also that detector would have to have great target separation to pull the coins out of the trash. This is one area the Silver really excels at. There seems to be a lot of great detectors that will hit coins in that 8" range and it just seems to be what features you need or want with that detector. It is a hard decision! I think I would like multi-tones to help make digging decisions and the 705 and the F70 have lots of tones availabe. The TID is not really a neccessity as the tone/s would be the deciding factor to dig or not.
I also have no doubt the Cortes is a great detector, but feel that it is rather high priced for a detector that has fixed ground balance in the disc. mode.
Therover, I am constantly looking at the used CZ units, but always wonder when parts availability will become a problem. At some point that will be a factor. There depth is just plain old amazing!
On the Omega I have heard that it has the best TID display at depth, but have read several post on the build quality.
Right now I am leaning a bit towards the F70, 505, MX5, used CZ3D, and Tejon. Maybe a few others also. Just can't make my dam mind up. Thats why I value all your opinions!
I also have no doubt the Cortes is a great detector, but feel that it is rather high priced for a detector that has fixed ground balance in the disc. mode.
Therover, I am constantly looking at the used CZ units, but always wonder when parts availability will become a problem. At some point that will be a factor. There depth is just plain old amazing!
On the Omega I have heard that it has the best TID display at depth, but have read several post on the build quality.
Right now I am leaning a bit towards the F70, 505, MX5, used CZ3D, and Tejon. Maybe a few others also. Just can't make my dam mind up. Thats why I value all your opinions!
I used a Cortes for about 3 years. It's an OK detector. When ever I got a faint deep signal in regular Disc mode and then switched over to SUM mode the signal would disappear. SUM mode is not as deep as regular Disc mode when getting close to the fringe of detection depth. I sold it and bought a Fisher ID Edge, I liked it better than the Cortes. Now I use the Coinstrike, depth is the same as the Edge and has more user settings.
Rainyday101
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Thanks for the PM's from everyone. I really value the opinions of the people on this forum. I know if you get a hot Cibola they can be really deep. In my mild soil I am sure the Cibola would be deep. For the price, depth, disc, and target separation coupled with the low price, it could be hard to say no to that one. As far as raw depth with no discrimination, my Tiger Shark with the 10" coil on land is really deep when hunting in all metal with a threshold hum. This is the only detector that can find all the deep 10" coins and very faintly on the 12" coins in my test garden. My test garden is less than 2 years old and most detectors struggle at 6" in this fresh test garden. Now the Tiger is deep, but in all metal, that means dig it all and this thing will find the tiniest bits of metal deep. In the water it rocks.
I still also have an eye on the Tejon, but would like to see some better air test results on it.
Although the Silver Umax has it's depth limits, within it's range it is a coin vacuum. If I didn't need to get deeper in the sandy areas I would never need to spend more than what I paid for the Silver uMax.
I have no doubt about the Deleon being deep, but for that price, it should have ground balance. I think Tesoro messed up on that one.
I still also have an eye on the Tejon, but would like to see some better air test results on it.
Although the Silver Umax has it's depth limits, within it's range it is a coin vacuum. If I didn't need to get deeper in the sandy areas I would never need to spend more than what I paid for the Silver uMax.
I have no doubt about the Deleon being deep, but for that price, it should have ground balance. I think Tesoro messed up on that one.
Rob in (Ca)
Active member
I was using a Target ID Machine on this target...... the ID numbers were very very jumpy...... I almost walked away...... but The Audio was saying DIG ME
SO I Dug the Target thinking another crusted Zinc, out pop's a very Large 14K Ring .... Hunting for lost jewelry, I DIG all Good Repeatable targets above Iron, Regardless what The TID screen states.
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SO I Dug the Target thinking another crusted Zinc, out pop's a very Large 14K Ring .... Hunting for lost jewelry, I DIG all Good Repeatable targets above Iron, Regardless what The TID screen states.
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cladcanada
Member
Very nice , and how true ..... You just never know till you dig
hihosilver
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Rob in (Ca) said:
This post has now got me thinking I should prefer the Outlaw with its 3 coils over the Cortes.
Neil
Well-known member
If the TID is jumpy the audio isnt clean either. They are both doing the same thing, trying to read whats under the coil and ID it.
On the tesoros Ive used there is very little audio variance.
Is there anyone here who swears by beep and dig that can, at minimum disc, without thumbing the disc, tell the difference between a clean signaled nickel and a quarter. I dont think so.
You can improve your finds with either audio or TID detector but your fooling yourself if you come to rely on it all the time.
On the tesoros Ive used there is very little audio variance.
Is there anyone here who swears by beep and dig that can, at minimum disc, without thumbing the disc, tell the difference between a clean signaled nickel and a quarter. I dont think so.
You can improve your finds with either audio or TID detector but your fooling yourself if you come to rely on it all the time.
Quote by Neil" Is there anyone here who swears by beep and dig that can, without thumbing the disc., tell the difference between a clean signaled nickel and a quarter?"
I can, when I just dig them up instead of staring and analizing a TID screen/meter. The places I dig at are old, if you are passing some lower conductive targets, you are just ignoring some great finds.
Just my take on that subject.
I like Target ID machines for the well maintained old house yards, when the home owner is watching. I tend to cherry pick and go after penny/dime signals to get an idea of what depth the older targets are located. Once a friend of mine was passing penny signals as they were shallow, after he got through with the area... I went behind him and started digging mercury dimes that were only 3 to 4 inches deep. Needles to say, my friend was not happy, but he learned an important lesson that day, dig those shallow coins.
I can, when I just dig them up instead of staring and analizing a TID screen/meter. The places I dig at are old, if you are passing some lower conductive targets, you are just ignoring some great finds.
Just my take on that subject.
I like Target ID machines for the well maintained old house yards, when the home owner is watching. I tend to cherry pick and go after penny/dime signals to get an idea of what depth the older targets are located. Once a friend of mine was passing penny signals as they were shallow, after he got through with the area... I went behind him and started digging mercury dimes that were only 3 to 4 inches deep. Needles to say, my friend was not happy, but he learned an important lesson that day, dig those shallow coins.
Rainyday101
New member
Gotta agree with Hombre on that one!
wheatymike
Member
I agree that digging "all" is the only way to find "all". However, that just is not feasible for me. So I have to disc/notch out some targets. I do this by not digging some numbers at some times in some places. When I only have an hour to hunt (which is most of the time), I don't want to dig 15 pull tabs and 4 coins. I would much rather dig 19 coins. If I am at an old site that has little or no modern trash then I dig all.