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beach detecting in other countries

Tom_in_CA

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My sister married a French native many years ago. They live in the USA now, but have all their in-laws over there in France still. Their part of France is near the border of Spain. I have spoken to my brother-in-law many times about tagging along with him some day, when they do their every-other-year or so return trip, so I can get some detecting in :) The recent post about detecting in Spain (even on innocuous beaches, for apparently modern beach-goer losses) had me thinking. Without going back in to the issue of Spain, or having someone dig up dire sounding rules about France, I would instead like to use a closer-by example, as a test-subject: Mexico

Back in the early 1980s, Fisher had a periodical mailer that went out every so often. In it, was a Q&A column, where people could address questions to the editor. One question, in one edition, was a person stating they were getting ready to vacation to a tourist beach in Mexico, and wondered if they were allowed to bring their metal detectors. The editor, in their answer to this question, had a few paragraphs entitled something to the effect: "When travelling to Mexico, leave the detectors at home". The answer went on to detail how it was illegal to detect in Mexico, blah blah blah.

In the subsequent editions of this same periodical, others wrote in to the Q&A column to take exception to this answer. They wrote things like "since when??" and "who told you this?", or "we've gone there for years, always hitting the beaches, and never had a problem", etc.... Fisher, in order to address those that took exception to their answer, gave the following reply followup: When they had received the earlier inquiry, they merely contacted a Mexican consulate border bureaucrat type, and ASKED! doh (I mean, who better to ask ....... than Mexico themselves, right? :wacko: ) They merely re-printed the answer they were given, in their periodical.

What was odd, to some at the time (and still to this day), is that metal detectors are a common site on tourist beaches. In fact, all the major detector manufacturers have dealers down in the bigger cities down there ...... INCLUDING FISHER! :shrug:

All I can figure is, whomever the lawyer person Fisher forwarded the question to in Mexico, must've couched their answer in terms of antiquities laws, exporting valuables & antiquities, historic monuments & pryamaids type no-no's, shipwreck salvor laws, etc.... But obviously, for casual beach-goer type losses, it obviously is/was of no concern. I myself crossed the border, at Juarez (El Paso) to hunt land sites, back in the 1990s. We got stopped at the border, and when the border patrol saw our detectors, he asked "what's that?" My interprettor just told him "pasa-tiempo" ("a hobby to pass time"). The border patrol just shrugged his shoulders, and waved us through.

Anyhow, ever since then, when I see other citations, of countries where people say "you can't do that there", but then I see that those countries have hobbyist forums, dealers, etc... I sometimes wonder if it isn't the same thing as this Mexico example?
 
Tell you the truth, Mexico could give a dam. They're not one of those countries that's worried about what is taken out(other than drugs and fruits ext.).They've got more important things to worry about(drugs and crime). They have no reason to say you can't detect unless you go to a historic area. I myself am Hispanic and have never had a problem MDing there.
 
I metal detected in Mexico last year, 4 days a week for 2 1/2 months and nobody said a word. I worked the dry sand as I had a Whites MXT and did not want to chance getting it wet, so there was lots of opportunity to say something, not a word. As a matter of fact I met a Mexican fellow who just bought a Detector and he was using his on the beach, so go for it. I just bought a Excal II to take along with me next year so i can work the ~~~~~~WATER~~~~~~~ Where in Mexico would you be going??

Gerry
 
Gerry and Roscue2: yes, of course, this is exactly what I am saying. Just as you two point out, it goes on all the time, and no one gives a durn. However, if you were to dust off enough code books, ask enough politicians and lawyers down there, you might in fact (just as Fisher Co. got for their periodical's answer), get a "No".

Didn't you notice that on the Spain post, when a few people said "we do it, and never had a problem" that others implied that they were "cruising for a bruising"? Why can't that be said of Mexico then? Could this simply be a case of "No one cares, UNTIL you ask"? And then in order to quell the question, the knee-jerk reaction is ....... to go out and ask some more! doh :)

All I'm trying to point out is, when a person reads all the world's country's rules, they are simply reading some compilation that someone else put together. Why wouldn't that list be like asking the average archie here in the USA: "Can I metal detect?" A lot of them would tell you "NO, never" etc... Now of COURSE we know that this is an incorrect application and interpretation of ARPA, etc... and we all know that, yes you can detect here. But what's to stop this same psychology from being present in other nations when questions (to compile a list for various nations) were asked years ago? If this technical answer vs real answer exists in the Mexico example, why not elsewhere?
 
Good topic
If you look on the varios detecting websites that have a foreign country section they almost all basically read the same about the country you look in, i think that this is based on them copying the text/rules from 1 place to begin with(some copy paste others the same but reworded) and it has just gone from there, especially with spain, eg. a certain person some 20 years ago had and still has the import franchise from the makers, having this is where the officially imported bit comes from ie you can't take yours you must buy an oficially imported one from him in order to detect, and he made a killing, As to other countres i can't comment on but wouldn't be surprised if similar things are happening, even if only to keep down the competition for the locals.
 
I was on a cruise which stopped in Cozumel and then in Costa Maya. I detected an hour or so, with my excal, in the water knee deep and on the beach, finding about 25 coins. Next day we went to a small village south of Costa Maya (on mainland) and worked a beach there which was FULL of pull tabs and bottle caps. I decided to head into the water getting a little over my ankles, when an open outboard motorboat pulled up next to an anchored fishing vessel near me. Oblivious to most outside noise, I was not aware that two men onboard were speaking to me in Spanish, not that I would have understood anyway. Just then the Mexican "custodian" of that section of beach came over and said in English, " these men are from the Mexican Navy and they are telling you that searching in the water is not allowed, but it ok to search the beach" . They left and I got out of the water. I do not know if this rule is nation wide or if they were just wanting to usurp their authority. We cruised on to Grand Cayman and had no problem there in or out of the water. I have detected in the Bahamas with no problem either.
 
ridgerunner: how much you wanna make a bet, that if you had asked enough people, far enough "up the ladder", that you also might have also found someone who contradicted that fellow, and told you "no m'ding outside the water either"?
 
Go detecting anywhere, just buy a cheap china made detector and work it in all metal and dig up everything. This way if they take it from you and you have a pocket of gold rings who cares, cash them in for a new detector when you get back to the states.....:usaflag::clapping::beers: HAPPY DETECTING
 
Yours is a very good example and you stopped as it just wasn't worth the hassle or risk of getting arrested. I've been detecting inland and on the beach in Mexico without the slightest problem except on a posh hotels "private" beach. I also have been working across the Caribbean from east to west, have covered Europe from France as far as Turkey, Russian, North Africa and most recently New Zealand.
Trouble is you get outdated information or "I heard's".

To take the example of Ireland, the North is fine as long as normal rules are followed. Southern Ireland well that has to be O.K. as Minelab has their European base there and you can see the free X-Terra DVD they issued, filmed in Ireland with the detector being tested on the beach. Only problem is there is a ban on land and as Viking finds have been made on the river esturies the ban included them and now some beaches.

Many islands allow beach detecting for modern coins but nothing ancient. France has bans on public/"Royal" forests and though you can detect most land if you have permission you have the same rule as many other countries that your not supposed to be looking for ancient artifacts. I had a problem in Europe that I found a hoard. One coin no problem as its classed as an accidental find but I found a couple then dug for more. So I was then deliberately searching for ancient coins and in breach of the regulations.

I normally have a underwater/wading machine with me with discrimination, a pulse for the wet sand, a dry sand/land detector plus headphones, spade, stainless steel beach scoop etc which is $5000-$6000 worth. As far as I know Spain has only confiscated the equipment in use. Turkey/Greece etc have seached hotel or villa rooms and taken everything.

So by all means take the risk but don't moan if you do get caught out.
 
wow it does get you wondering !!
great debate here !!
Thanks
John
 
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