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BBS & FBS Coil Weight & Price Chart

Thought I'd add the new 13" Detech coil to this thread. They state that it weighs 480 grams, which is 16.9315 oz. Very light. According to the weight I have above for the Pro Coil this thing is even lighter than that! I also wonder if this might be the weight of the FBS version, because I know with the SEF coils the BBS versions weigh less than the FBS versions...So it might even be lighter maybe if they listed the FBS weight?

The BBS version of the 12x10 is 20.2 ounces without the coil cover, which is still pretty light. Lighter than the S-12 which always got praised for being light weight. Still, the new Detech coil is a good 3 ounces lighter.
 
I see that the coil cover for the 13" coil weighs 50 grams, which is 1.76369 oz. So you can add that to the above coil weight if you plan to use the coil cover. Even still, with the coil cover on it's still roughly over an ounce lighter than the 12x10 without the coil cover. That's pretty impressive.
 
Here's some info on the weight of the BBS version of the 18x15, as the one listed in the chart is noted as the FBS version that Kered weighed...

shagdue said:
Received the goods yesterday (thanks for the Overnight shipping KC!) minus the 10X12 coil. Told by KC will ship when available. Waiting on scoop from RTG.

Just for giggles here are the weight's on the coils.

18X15 is 2 lb 8 oz or 2.5 lb.(with cable).

10 in Tornado (with cable) is is 1 lb 9.5 oz, tad over 1 and a half lb.

I have a postal scale so those numbers are accurate.

Soo...the 18X15 is basically one pound heavier.

Also that 18X15 IS a Detech coil.

Shagdue, yep...your Tornado weight is almost right on with what mine weighed. :thumbup: The odd thing though is that your 18x15 is a tad heavier than the FBS version Kered weighed in the chart (with coil cover). Everything I've seen thus far is that the FBS versions of the SEF coils are a good bit heavier than the BBS versions, so it's odd that the BBS version of the 18x15 is heavier than the FBS one? Not sure why that is. Are you sure about the weight, and I assume that was with the coil cover on the scale too along with the cable then?

If anybody has any coils they don't see on the charts to weigh and post info on, or if you think the weight of the ones listed doesn't match your coil, then please post your own weights in this thread as well for either FBS or BBS machines. Make sure you use a good digital scale and put the coil cable on the scale with it, and weigh the coil with and without the coil cover and note that.

Also, post the actual measured size of your coil because it can be different then what the specs say. For instance, my Sunray X-5 actually is a 5.5" coil size. I believe the WOT is really 14.25" in size. I wonder about the size of the 5 or 6" Excelerator coils. I think they made two over time, one being called a 5" and the other a 6"? Either way, it would be nice to know the actual size of these coils. It might already be listed in this thread, as I didn't go back to refresh my memory on it.
 
Thought this weight comparison should go here too...

UK Brian said:
I've the 14" Detech Penetrator and the Sunray 12" and they both weigh in at exactly the same weight. Sensitivity edge goes to the S 12 but the Detech is a bit deeper on larger targets.
Sunray build quality is great but the Detech's, though looking O.K. can have slight warps which can effect the performance which could exclude them from being a good buy from E-Bay.

And a thread on the Penetrators (Excelerators?) compared to the S-12 and such
 
I put together a small weight chart of this coil compared to some others in it's size/class pulled from the main weight chart in this thread. This is for sure a light coil, especially when you consider it's a round 13" coil. If you want to print out this chart for future reference click on landscape in your printer preferences and it prints out nicely that way without cutting off the edges...
 
Sorry, ran out of time to fix to blaring mistakes in the coil weight chart. I said 8 ounces of bed liner on the Tornado when I meant 8 coats, which only added up to about point 2 ounces. I also screwed up the order from light to heaviest coals, so I fixed all that...
 
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1146815,page=1

And here's a quote from Sandpiper in that thread as well...

Sandpiper said:
Update on the 8" coils, weights were done with a digital food scale. The tornado with the cable coiled on top is 18.7 ozs. with cover on and without is 17.2 ozs. Not being able to weight the BBS since it is attached to an Excal I would deduct that the cable is 5.7ozs. making it weight at 22.3 ozs. and 20.8 ozs. without cover. A difference of 3.6 ozs between coils.
 
This weight is probably more accurate as the other was still attached to an Excalibur, where as this one is the cable and plug with it since it's being used on a Sovereign.

sovereignelite said:
I weighed my old:minelab: BBS 8" with cover and cable:shocked, also on a food scale: weight was 21.8 oz.:blink:
 
This weight is probably more accurate as the other was still attached to an Excalibur, where as this one is the cable and plug with it since it's being used on a Sovereign.

sovereignelite said:
I weighed my old:minelab: BBS 8" with cover and cable:shocked, also on a food scale: weight was 21.8 oz.:blink:
 
While digging through old threads looking for something else, ran across this post, so I'm throwing it in this thread that is linked to the coil sticky on coil weights. As a side note, I've been working on updating the coil weight chart and also compiling various other coil info it the new chart as well, but it's got pretty labor intensive so it may be a while before I finally have a new chart done to throw in here...

Neil said:
Critter here are some coil weights to add to your chart. I just did these. The WOT I have is a new one and is a little lighter than the one you have posted, perhaps they are using a lighter filler now? These weights are without the covers.

WOT......27.848 oz

10" Tornado .......23.132 oz

8" Tornado.......15.534 oz

8" Coinsearch......17.030 oz (didnt take a pic of this one on the scale)
 
Thanks...

My new eight inch Tornado weighed on a good digital scale. All weights are with the coil cable included on the scale, and so here they are for this little guy...

With coil cover- 19.2 ounces
Without cover - 17.4 ounces
Coil cover alone- 1.8 ounces

And here
 
Throwing this stuff in here from the other thread link in the post above, since it's the kind of weight/size info this coil weight chart thread would have use for, of the Minelab 8" FBS and BBS coils and the Sun Ray S-8 Intruder. Pics courtesy of Neil...
[attachment 257941 8inchers.JPG][attachment 257942 fbs.JPG][attachment 257943 S8.JPG][attachment 257944 tornado.JPG]

Neil said:
Critterhunter said:
Neil, thanks for the potential insight on the contrast of all these coils in weight and performance. I've used the BBS 800 heavy old version on a friend's Excalibur. First time using a BBS machine and it was not working properly. But just the same when it came across a good signal in the woods I just "knew" it was going to be good. Turned out in one hole a 1835 bust dime and right next to it a large cent. Really "wowed" me. As for the weight, I just remember holding that little coil in my hand while doing some work on it and thinking "man this thing is a boat anchor for such a little coil." I'm curious now as to it's weight to the 8" Tornado, which I guess has been posted in the coil weight chart thread, so I'll skim that real quick to see how they compare.

Yes, would very much like to see the FBS 8" coil in contrast to all of them in a picture. Thanks.

The smaller FBS coil is the one I just got, its identical in shape to the smaller Tornado but its a good deal thicker. The older 8" BBS coil is the same as the 8" FBS. The FBS and BBS coils are from minelab and measure 7.25" outside diameter with the coil cover off.
The S8 is made by Sunray and is a full 8" outside diameter with the coil cover off.
their weights are:

FBS....540 grams

Tornado.....515 grams

S8......510 grams

The smaller tornado feels like the lighter of the two BBS coils on the end of the rod to me but the S8 is apparently the lighter of the two. Both have full length cables and covers on. Also I would guess the older BBS coil would weigh in right about where the FBS coil is even though the cables are slightly different lengths.

Critterhunter said:
Great info and pics. Thanks for sharing that. I'm going to throw that in the coil weight/size thread that's attached to the Coil Sticky so people will have it at their fingertips for future reference.

If I remember right (?), I think Ralph at Sun Ray said the the S-5 (5.5"), being epoxy filled, has the coil windings all the way out to the edge of the coil, where as some other solid (non-spoked) coils not filled with epoxy from some manufacturers might have padding at the outer edge of the coil casing to protect the windings from shock bumping stuff. So that can mean some coils (meaning physical winding size) are not the true size of their casing. Vaguely I think I remember him saying that the 8" Coinsearch is like that, being that it's not epoxy filled inside. I know the 5" Excelerator isn't either, because I saw one that got water inside it and had to be taken apart to dry things out, but don't remember if it's windings were not right up against the edge of the casing.

Further info on all these coils in that other thread link posted in prior message.
 
Figured I'd throw this little air depth chart I made up in here of all the coils I've owned/been loaned.

Only wish I would have done this with the 15x12 I owned for a while as well, but based on it's use in my mineralized soils it did not seem to get any deeper or maybe not even as deep than the stock 10" Tornado in my mineralized soils on coin/ring sized targets, while it did in my mineralized sands for some odd reason. I suspect it was just beyond the point of no return in terms of coil size for my soil on coin/ring sized targets, sucking up too much ground stew I would guess and washing away the target signal, because for one thing it will seem to give me better depth or at least ID/tone at depth if I lowered the sensitivity much more than what was max stable.

The 15x12 is a great coil though and very stable, with fantastic ground coverage, but I feel having one in my line up would be too much like replicating my 12x10 I use 99% of the time on land, which *in my soil* seems to be the deepest coil I've ever used or owned and with fantastic left/right separation like I've never experienced before. It's stability in minerals or EMI is also something that is very impressive to me, and the audio report it gives is louder, crisper, and more treble like to my ears than any coil I've compared it to, with perhaps the Ultimate coming very close or perhaps just as good in that respect.

The 13" Ultimate loaner I had is different enough in traits from the SEFs and even compared to round DD coils that I plan to add one to my line up for big wide open fields and such when I want to grid even faster than the 12x10's nice improvement in that respect over the stock 10" Tornado. Always nice to have a different feeling/functioning coil in my line up, even if I'm still not sure yet if the Ultimate is as deep or deeper than my 12x10 in my soil.

Just finished this video testing the depth of my new eight inch Tornado coil. Actual size is 7.25". Very small...

http://youtu.be/cNPPYn4moOM

But if you don't want to watch that then check out this chart below I put together of the depths for all these coils I tested thus far- 8" Tornado, Sun Ray S-5, Sun Ray S-12, 10" Tornado, 13" Ultimate, and SEF 12x10. The depths of this little Tornado were pretty impressive, and we all know these BBS units can and do get better depth in some soils or sands than they do in air tests due to the unique way they handle (and thus need) a ground load, where as it's usually the reverse of that for other machines, where they get far less depth in the ground than in the air.

All these tests were done using max sensitivity, unless otherwise noted where I turned sensitivity down to half on the 8" Tornado to see how it fared that way too, at this same low-emi site so all coils were able to run stable at full blast manual sensitivity. I wanted to do that to rule out any differences in sensitivity settings as well as have all the other settings exactly the same- Iron Mask ON Disc Mode, Noise Band 2, Threshold Mode & just loud enough to hear, Full Volume, No disc or notch dial used. Test target used for all of them- clad dime.

These air depths for various coils, listed in order of shallowest to deepest, are demonstrated in other videos on my channel, and all were used on the Sovereign GT with the exception of the noted 2nd test of 10" Tornado on a new Excalibur II.

NOTE: Air testing the Sovereign or Excalibur is pretty controversial. These machines often will out perform their air tests in certain soils or sands. I only use this as a starting point, not the final answer on how a coil might perform. It could very well be that certain coils need a ground load according to their design to perform at optimal levels, and that's excluding the obvious nature of these BBS units in needing a ground load based on the unique way they handle a ground load, unlike other detectors.




8.5" - Sun Ray S-5 (5.5") Intruder
8.5" - Minelab 8" (7.25" actual size- tiny thing) Tornado at half (12PM position) sensitivity
9.0" - Sun Ray S-12 (12.5") Intruder (This is first audible response from it)
9.5 to 10" - Minelab 8" Tornado at full sensitivity
9.5" - Sun Ray S-12 (12.5") Intruder (This is the first response from it, a null)
10" - Minelab 10" Tornado (On brand new Excalibur II)
10.5" - Minelab 10" Tornado (This time tested on Sovereign GT)
11" - Detech 13" Ultimate
11.5" - Detech SEF 12x10





Pretty impressive depths for the little Tornado, and I've read/heard of others getting more than that in their soils. Just recently I read of it being tested in an old coin test garden and banging a coin at 10" too.
 
Throwing this in here while I'm thinking of it from the Sun Ray S-12 Intruder weights I weighed that I have on loan from somebody right now to play with, along with some other info in my field tests of it in this thread...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1807089,1820650#msg-1820650

I just wanted it in one spot with the others for when I get around to re-doing the coil weight chart...

But until I get to that, below I've listed some coil weights of coils in the size class of the S-12 for comparison. These weights are ones by actual users, as we all know manufacturing specs can be somewhat "off" what the reality is. When I compiled the initial chart however, there was some confusion as to if the S-12 was weighed with or without a coil cover and I had noted that in the chart. I now know the reality of it's weight with and without a coil cover, because I weighed it myself on a quality scale, and also included the coil cable on the scale as everybody else did for their coils. Turns out the weight listed in the coil weight chart was with the coil cover on, because 22.7 the person reported that I posted in the chart, was exactly what I got for the S-12 with the coil cover still on on a quality digital scale.

One of the stellar things about the S-12's reputation, is that it is a very light coil, so we can finally put to rest any debate as to if it's lighter than the 12x10. Remember this- The FBS versions of the SEF coils appear to be a good bit heavier than the BBS versions, as is noted in the coil picture chart previously. The below coil weights are the BBS versions, except for of course the Pro Coil, which they don't make for the Sovereign or Excalibur. However, the Pro Coil has a reputation as being a fantastically light coil, so I'm listing it below as a rule of thumb reference in comparison to the others. All weights are in ounces. Remember, 16 ounces in a pound. If the actual size of the coil differs from it's name then I make note of that...

11" FBS Pro Coil with coil cover................................19.75
12x10 without coil cover.............................................20
13" (12 & 1/2 x 13" wide) Ultimate without coil cover 20.2
Sun Ray S-12 (12.5") without coil cover.....................20.5
13" Ultimate with coil cover.........................................22.2
Sun Ray S-12 with coil cover......................................22.7
12x10 with coil cover..................................................22.8
10" Tornado without coil cover...................................23.1
15x12 without coil cover.............................................25
10" Tornado with coil cover........................................25.6
Old BBS 10" Coil with no coil cover...........................27.55
15x12 with coil cover.................................................28.7
WOT Coil (14.25") without coil cover.........................29.2
WOT Coil (List weight. With Cover?).........................32

And while I'm bothering to do this, figured I'd throw some other coil review links in here of ones I've been loaned or now have...

The new 13" Ultimate coil by Detech...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1761707,page=1

And the 8" Tornado...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1862025,page=1
 
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