So, you cant point out whats redudant on the Axiom at all, got it. And I dont know Fred anymore than I know you, so hes not an "ol' buddy", but you attacked him and tried to belittle his opinion because of ol' welfare goofybears opinion of a machine hes never seen or touched. So whats bad about the Axiom? And dont say price, high end pi gold/relic detectors like the GPX and GPZ range $5 to $7 THOUSAND DOLLARS so this machine may very well be a STEAL. Now, Im not saying it is, because Ive not touched or used it, but Im saying I am going to give it a chance before I start running Garrett down about it.