AT-PRO and similarities to some competition...

[Uncle Willy]

Yeah or get left behind and I'll bet they'll cost more than a Garrett.

Bill

 

[Uncle Willy]

Yeah I've suggested a trigger or toggle many times for that reason and others but nobody listened. Hell Winchester made a "mitten ring" for their lever action rifles way back in the 1800's for people who wore heavy gloves in winter.. That's what the "Rifleman's" Winchester was equipped with in that old TV series.

Bill

 

[khouse]

But then you could while others are scrambling for cover!

 

[khouse]

And weigh over 5 pounds

 

[keppy]

[size=medium][/size]

Frist let me say that I am not trying to diss the AT is any way... I do think that some have done is and Garrett a disservice with all the hype because expectations are so high that frankly I think some are going to be let down when the AT, though a really good machine, isn't really the best detector ever made> I realize this and I hope you do... have reasonable expectations. Expect it to be an awesome detector in its price range and then if it actually is better than a 1500 dollar machine... you will be plesantly surprised... if you believe all the hype and fully expect it to blow away a 15oo dollar machine and it doesn't, well/// you are going to be disappointed and there is just no reason for that. Think for yourself and when you buy it, expect it to be a better that average mid level detector... and when it is better... be happy. Thinking like this will head off a lot of complaining... Garrett deserves the benefit of the doubt on this, they are a good company and no one should expect them to come out and say, "wait a minute folks... this isn't the best detector ever made... however, if it isn't and they don't say so then they are setting themselves up for some complaining". FWIW, some people complain about every new detector that comes out... it is just the way it is... but this one is being set up for more complaining than usual. So, do yourself a favor and expect a very good mid level detector and then be happy if that is exactly what it is.. be amazed if it actually competes with a 1500 dollar machine... OK?

So... I just finished looking at the Garrett site. I noticed a marked similarity between the relationship of the Omega-8000 and the G2. The O8K runs at a lower, coin friendly frequency and has an elliptical coil. The G2 runs at a higher frequency... quite hig actually, 19khz (the AT runs at 15khx IIRC). One think I did notice that favors the O8k/G2 is that they share some coils. I don't think they share the concentric coils, just the DD coils but I am not sure. I didn't see where the AT-Pro and the ACE-350 share coils... but the relationship between the two is similar with one being more for coins and the other more for relics. Then again the AT is not yet released and maybe when it is released they will share coils. The weight certainly is similar and the price is about the same. The features are comparable, in particular the iron range.

Now I am certain the AT has been in develpoment for a while and is not simply in response to the O8K/G2. I am pretty sure that Garrett came up with a really good coil and, like Minelab did when they introduced the Pro coil, they added the design to an ACE and will soon release the detector that was built around the coil design. Great marketing... I hope they make a lot of money so they can do more R&D... we will profit from that.

So, I expect good things from the AT-PRO, I expect other companies to follw Garretts lead in the waterproofing... way to go Garrett!

Again, my intention is not to throw cold water on the AT... but to encourage people to have reasonable expectations and then be happy if their expectations are exceeded... it is only common sense, IMO. I just noticed what I think are similarities to another brand... maybe it is coincidence or maybe it is the normal progression of available technology... whatever it is, i am glad to see it and I hope it is well received by all. It looks GREAT and I imagine it will work great if people give it a fair chance and take the time to really learn it.

Watching with interest! I hope people will give an honest opinion when it is released with no "knee jerk" reactions before having time to really give it a chance... but that's just me.


Julien

Well one thing is the Ace 350 is not water proof the AT Pro is so the connection of the coils will be different........One will be water proof the AT Pro and one on the 350 will not be water proof talk about nit picking WOW some times you people don't make common sense......

 

[Terry in PA]

Too bad they couldn't have come out with it earlier to beat the cold weather in many parts of the country. I'll never understand that reasoning - coming out with a new detector in the dead of winter in the heavily populated sections of the country. We don't all live in Florida or Southern California.

Bill.

To Grab their share of the Holiday cash......LOL Big money being spent by all the merry Christmas shopper's. Store's are already full of Christmas stuff . What happen to November ?....LOL

 

[widebody]

[size=large]I thought the ace 350 is 8 khz and the pro is 15. If i'm correct then will someone explain how they could share any coils?

i got the jist of the main topic but caught this as part of the question on the pro.

HH [/size]

 

[khouse]

I am sure the windings are different and positive the connector is.

 

[widebody]

[size=large]Leaving the connectors aside, i'm just looking to see if i got my info correct. Just having differant freq. would prevent swapping, wouldn't it?
this is just a tech question basically.

HH[/size]

 

[khouse]

I know sending different frequencies into the same coil is being done. So maybe it's just the connector that's different?

 

[gmanlight]

Depending on the design , several makes use one coil with
multi frequency's on it.
The new Gold Bug and the Omega use the same coil but the GB runs at 19.2
and the Omega run around 7.5

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Garrett produces a quality product and am sure it will hold its own with competition units in the AT pro's price range..On the other hand if it keeps up with units double its price certainly a plus and Garrett won't be able to make them quick enough....

 

[Monte]

I've just finished working with a new Teknetics G2 which operates at 19 kHz, and I used ALL of the coils that work on it any my 7.8 kHz models (the Delta, Gamma and Omega) which includes a 5" and 11" Double-D as well as the 8" and elliptical 10" concentric designs. Absolutely no problems at all.

Then, even same-frequency models don't always share coils from the same manufacturer. Reflecting back to about 1981 or so, Garrett GroundHog and DeepSeeker models still used the same frequencies, but Garrett folks changes the way the detectors worked with them and the newer models used different connectors and couldn't share coils. Same 15 kHz Ground Hogs, but incompatible coils.

Yes, detector design sure gets interesting at times.

Monte

 

[metalhead]

Wow, all these years I thought that the Deepseeker was 5 kHz. Of course, Groundhog is 15 kHz. I just thought that Deepseeker was 5 kHz.
Thanks for sharing Happy Hunting!

 

[SteveP(NH)]

I've just finished working with a new Teknetics G2 which operates at 19 kHz, and I used ALL of the coils that work on it any my 7.8 kHz models (the Delta, Gamma and Omega) which includes a 5" and 11" Double-D as well as the 8" and elliptical 10" concentric designs. Absolutely no problems at all.

Then, even same-frequency models don't always share coils from the same manufacturer. Reflecting back to about 1981 or so, Garrett GroundHog and DeepSeeker models still used the same frequencies, but Garrett folks changes the way the detectors worked with them and the newer models used different connectors and couldn't share coils. Same 15 kHz Ground Hogs, but incompatible coils.

Yes, detector design sure gets interesting at times.

Monte

My understanding was that a coil can be tuned to a specific frequency by increasing or decreasing the number of windings in it. So while a coil will work if it is wound to a different frequency than the detector is transmitting at, it will not be as efficient as using one wound to the correct frequency. Less efficiency means less depth that would be theoretically possible if the detector was fitted with a coil tuned to the right frequency. But I am not an electrical engineer and would defer to anyone who knows for sure. Also I know that coils can be more efficient if they are tuned to a harmonic of the frequency that the detector transmits at. So the question isn't whether a coil will work or not, it is will you be getting the best depth that your machine can get if it were fitted with a properly tuned coil.

 

[khouse]

There are other companies doing it. But I'm not sure if their coils has all the different windings within them and the machine simply uses that particular winding? Or the winding is the same and the machine adjust to the single winding? All I know is you don't have to change the coil if you change frequencies. Either way I'm sure all frequencies work to their potential.

 

[Monte]

I guess I might have been too quick as I did note that the new and old version GroundHogs, at 15 kHz, didn't share coils. Somehow I didn't proof read and I omitted that the DeepSeekers used the lower frequency. You're correct. The point I was making was that even though the early GroundHogs used the same 15 kHz as the latter GroundHogs, just like the early DeepSeekers used the 5 or 5.5 kHz frequency the same as the latter models, they didn't share search coils.

My error, sorry, as on reflection it did look like I said both model series were 15 kHz and I know better. Just in a hurry to get off to a doctor's visit and no time to proof read.

Monte

 

[SteveP(NH)]

There are other companies doing it. But I'm not sure if their coils has all the different windings within them and the machine simply uses that particular winding? Or the winding is the same and the machine adjust to the single winding? All I know is you don't have to change the coil if you change frequencies. Either way I'm sure all frequencies work to their potential.

Well I am in over my head on this and I hope an electrical engineer who knows this stuff for sure jumps in, but I believe the way those machines work is that they use harmonics of a base frequency for what ever other frequencies the machine works at. I own a DFX which transmits on 3 and 15 Khz using the same coil. I believe that 15 Khz is a harmonic of 3 Khz so on properly wound coil can work for both frequencies but that doesn't mean that you could take a 6 Khz coil for example and put it on the DFX and get as good results with it.

 

[metalhead]

Oh yeah, that's cool bro'. I was thinkin' my new pain meds were kickin' in too hard. I get what you're sayin' Like my old Coin Hunter TR/VLF Groundhog is the same freq as Scorp, but different coils and connectors. Yeah. Sometimes I think Garrett's and other detector manufacturers make different coils with different connectors just so you have to buy the particular coil for machine. More $ for them. Thanks for the reply Happy Hunting!

 

[larryk56]

If people watch the videos on the machine ....
they will get a real good idea of what the machine is cabale of doing.

Garrett also priced it very well. It offers alot of features for the dollar.

More value and less $$$ .... that works for alot of people.