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Artillery shells and theTejon
- Thread starter VaRelics
- Start date
[size=medium]Hay VaRelics,
I don't have a Tejon, but maybe there are not many who have
hunted ordinance.
First off, I hope you know that you can die quick digging and
recovering ordinance.
You look for ordinance tha same way you relic hunt.
Not much disc. Set it just above iron. Use tha AM if ya can.
Larger ordinance pieces can be detected deep.
There is no special settings I know of.
Here is some debris and shrapnal, along with a couple of
WW I artillery fuse timers. The debris is from a small building
that was destroyed by a direct hit.
Spent WW I fuse timers.
Here's two very rare, intact WW I artillery fuse timers I found.
Here is a Civil War cannon canister shot cup I found.
Hope that helps a little.
Sorry, no Tejon tips,
Tabdog[/size]
I don't have a Tejon, but maybe there are not many who have
hunted ordinance.
First off, I hope you know that you can die quick digging and
recovering ordinance.
You look for ordinance tha same way you relic hunt.
Not much disc. Set it just above iron. Use tha AM if ya can.
Larger ordinance pieces can be detected deep.
There is no special settings I know of.
Here is some debris and shrapnal, along with a couple of
WW I artillery fuse timers. The debris is from a small building
that was destroyed by a direct hit.
Spent WW I fuse timers.
Here's two very rare, intact WW I artillery fuse timers I found.
Here is a Civil War cannon canister shot cup I found.
Hope that helps a little.
Sorry, no Tejon tips,
Tabdog[/size]
Tabdog,
Thanks for the advice and warning. We hunt US civil war projectiles which are relatively stable unless you start drilling them or other stupid things. We have found over 100 shells and use a professional to remotely disarm them. You may be correct about the all metal setting. I will start by hunting in all metal while scouting for shells and switch to alternate discriminate to check smaller targets for non-ferrous items.
Best regards,
VaRelics
Thanks for the advice and warning. We hunt US civil war projectiles which are relatively stable unless you start drilling them or other stupid things. We have found over 100 shells and use a professional to remotely disarm them. You may be correct about the all metal setting. I will start by hunting in all metal while scouting for shells and switch to alternate discriminate to check smaller targets for non-ferrous items.
Best regards,
VaRelics
James in hamilton
New member
Man nice finds wtg
Hay Va Relics,
Tha all metal mode takes a little practice.
But, it can be very informative.
Also, you can learn tha difference from
a target and many responses that seem
to come out of tha audio with practice.
So, even if it doesn't work at first, give it
a chance. You can probably find a good
place to use it.
Once you have that under your belt, it may
come easier.
That's what it took for me.
Finally, I became convienced that the AM
on most Tesoro'es is a very good tool.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
Tha all metal mode takes a little practice.
But, it can be very informative.
Also, you can learn tha difference from
a target and many responses that seem
to come out of tha audio with practice.
So, even if it doesn't work at first, give it
a chance. You can probably find a good
place to use it.
Once you have that under your belt, it may
come easier.
That's what it took for me.
Finally, I became convienced that the AM
on most Tesoro'es is a very good tool.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
cw_relic_hunter
New member
tabdog said:[size=medium]Hay VaRelics,
I don't have a Tejon, but maybe there are not many who have
hunted ordinance.
First off, I hope you know that you can die quick digging and
recovering ordinance.
You look for ordinance tha same way you relic hunt.
Not much disc. Set it just above iron. Use tha AM if ya can.
Larger ordinance pieces can be detected deep.
There is no special settings I know of.
Here is some debris and shrapnal, along with a couple of
WW I artillery fuse timers. The debris is from a small building
that was destroyed by a direct hit.
Spent WW I fuse timers.
Here's two very rare, intact WW I artillery fuse timers I found.
Here is a Civil War cannon canister shot cup I found.
Hope that helps a little.
Sorry, no Tejon tips,
Tabdog[/size]
You cant die that easy from detecting artillery ordance most shells WILL NOT explode by the hit of a shovel only when trying to defuse them I have been hunting cw relics for 35 years and have never seen nor heard of anyone dieing from digging shells, they only die when that drill but hits the powder, then it goes BOOM. I have found over 450 shells in the 35 years that I have detected. Just remember this DO NOT pull a shell out of the ground that has a fuse and start beating on the fuse with a hammer or anything and you will be just fine, just use commen sense. As for your detector it is still going to pick up shells not matter what setting you have it on,wheter they be deep or shallow. Frags on the other hand depening on the size is a differnet story.
Used the Tejon today for the first time and found a shell. A 3inch Hotchkiss nose cone. I used a generic picture from the internet. (Too tired to get the cameral out). Also found a flat button, several fired 3 ringers, fragments and the nose from an exploded rifled shell. This Tejon is a keeper for sure! I will be selling my Nauti's and minelabs in the near future.
Best,
VaRelics
Best,
VaRelics
First day using the Tejon.
This is my opinion of the detector.
Set up-had it ground balanced, adjusted and searching in less than two minutes.
Light- had no arm fatigue the entire day.
Stable-had to check it occasionally to make sure it was actually on. Quiet search.
Accurate-Not a single false signal the entire day!
Discrimination-Within 15 minutes of using the detector, for the first time, I could tell ferrous from non-ferrous and the approximate size and depth of the target. (More than enough info for a relic hunter)
Did I mention deep! Yes, Nautilus kind of deep.
This is my opinion of the detector.
Set up-had it ground balanced, adjusted and searching in less than two minutes.
Light- had no arm fatigue the entire day.
Stable-had to check it occasionally to make sure it was actually on. Quiet search.
Accurate-Not a single false signal the entire day!
Discrimination-Within 15 minutes of using the detector, for the first time, I could tell ferrous from non-ferrous and the approximate size and depth of the target. (More than enough info for a relic hunter)
Did I mention deep! Yes, Nautilus kind of deep.
[size=medium]There are disabled people all over tha world that
have been mangled. Lucky to be alive. That's
because there many who are gone.
Would it be a responsible thing, to Say that
recovering ordnance is safe?
Can you guarantee that all ordinance is Civil War
related and some how safe?
I will say again.[/size]
[size=x-large]WARNING DIGGING ORDINANCE IS DANGEROUS!!!!!!![/size]
have been mangled. Lucky to be alive. That's
because there many who are gone.
Would it be a responsible thing, to Say that
recovering ordnance is safe?
Can you guarantee that all ordinance is Civil War
related and some how safe?
I will say again.[/size]
[size=x-large]WARNING DIGGING ORDINANCE IS DANGEROUS!!!!!!![/size]
You cant die that easy from detecting artillery ordance
WRONG
There are millions that will dissagree because of experience with ordinance.
As for your detector it is still going to pick up shells not matter what setting
you have it on,wheter they be deep or shallow.
I can tune them out. I got good disc on my machines.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
WRONG
There are millions that will dissagree because of experience with ordinance.
As for your detector it is still going to pick up shells not matter what setting
you have it on,wheter they be deep or shallow.
I can tune them out. I got good disc on my machines.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
I just love when someone connects with
a nice machine.
Not everyone has tha experience to appreciate tha Tejon.
I think this is great.
Thanks for all tha info and tha interestin thread.
I just love this hobby.
I love connectin with tha tools and success.
I'll take tha not so successful hunts, as long as I
can do a happy dance from time to time.
Tabdog
a nice machine.
Not everyone has tha experience to appreciate tha Tejon.
I think this is great.
Thanks for all tha info and tha interestin thread.
I just love this hobby.
I love connectin with tha tools and success.
I'll take tha not so successful hunts, as long as I
can do a happy dance from time to time.
Tabdog
.Yes, I can say it is safe. Civil war projectiles use black powder not high explosives like modern projectiles. They have been in the ground for hundreds of years exposed to moisture. Because of the black powder civil war projectiles are not regulated by the ATF because they are not considered inherently dangerous. With that said if you take a civil war projectile and start drilling it there is a risk involved. But that is where Darwin
You did not make any distinction as to what kind of
artillary ordinance you would be diggin.
If someone in England was to take some of the relic
hunters advice, there would be a possibility of loosing
yet another detectorist. (lost one recently, and many
others in tha past).
So, I ask you,
How Can It Be Wise To Say Ordinacne Is Safe???????
I repete, ORDINANCE IS DANJGERIOUS.
That is the only responsible response.
No matter how it happens,
WE DO NOT NEED THE PRESS, AND WE DON"T NEED
TO LOOSE YET ANOTHER DETECTORIST TO ORDINANCE.
Respectfully Submitted,
Tabdog
artillary ordinance you would be diggin.
If someone in England was to take some of the relic
hunters advice, there would be a possibility of loosing
yet another detectorist. (lost one recently, and many
others in tha past).
So, I ask you,
How Can It Be Wise To Say Ordinacne Is Safe???????
I repete, ORDINANCE IS DANJGERIOUS.
That is the only responsible response.
No matter how it happens,
WE DO NOT NEED THE PRESS, AND WE DON"T NEED
TO LOOSE YET ANOTHER DETECTORIST TO ORDINANCE.
Respectfully Submitted,
Tabdog
holey dollar
New member
Hi Relic Hunter,
Hope all is going OK for you, BUT i must Disagree with some statements Ive read.
General view most shells the older they get can become Very unstable, Kids all the Time are being blown up in Vietnam/Cambodia, and they are in no way using a drill on unexploded shells.
Why look for things that make a Big Bang ??
Life can be strange you could of found thousands of shells no problem, But it only takes one Bad one,
Anyway if it could go bang I'm off in the other direction, you take care
All the Best Dave/Holley Dollar
Hope all is going OK for you, BUT i must Disagree with some statements Ive read.
General view most shells the older they get can become Very unstable, Kids all the Time are being blown up in Vietnam/Cambodia, and they are in no way using a drill on unexploded shells.
Why look for things that make a Big Bang ??
Life can be strange you could of found thousands of shells no problem, But it only takes one Bad one,
Anyway if it could go bang I'm off in the other direction, you take care
All the Best Dave/Holley Dollar
Holey dollar,
With all due respect I understand your concern. I know that unexploded ordinance is a worldwide problem and is tragic. But you must understand that American Civil war Antique ordinance is not the same as the ones found in Vietnam, Europe, Iraq, ect,...,
The more modern ordinance is made with HIGH EXPLOSIVES not black powder. They are not the same!!! I repeat they are not the same!!! The only people who have ever been injured or killed with AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ANTIQUE ORDINANCE ARE PEOPLE WHO DRILL THEM and even that is very very rare. Again I understand your concern but I hope you do a little research and understand the difference.
Best Regards,
VaRelics
This is a quote from an ordinance specialist about American Civil war shells:
"You can't drop these things on the ground and make them go off," said retired Col. John F. Biemeck, formerly of the Army Ordnance Corps. (Referring to American civil war ordinance)
With all due respect I understand your concern. I know that unexploded ordinance is a worldwide problem and is tragic. But you must understand that American Civil war Antique ordinance is not the same as the ones found in Vietnam, Europe, Iraq, ect,...,
The more modern ordinance is made with HIGH EXPLOSIVES not black powder. They are not the same!!! I repeat they are not the same!!! The only people who have ever been injured or killed with AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ANTIQUE ORDINANCE ARE PEOPLE WHO DRILL THEM and even that is very very rare. Again I understand your concern but I hope you do a little research and understand the difference.
Best Regards,
VaRelics
This is a quote from an ordinance specialist about American Civil war shells:
"You can't drop these things on the ground and make them go off," said retired Col. John F. Biemeck, formerly of the Army Ordnance Corps. (Referring to American civil war ordinance)
I do not disagree with you that
Civil War ordinance is not as
powerful, or sensative as modern
ordinance. Or even nearly as
dangerious. But, DANGERIOUS
none tha less.
But I will take exception to any
one making a blanket stayement
that ordinance is safe.
I took an oth as a professional
land surveyor to protect tha Public.
That includes everyone.
I do not mean to offend anyone.
I do hold on to that promise to protect
tha Public.
Anyone that says that messing with
ordinance is safe, is absoluitely WRONG.
Millions of dead are not here to agree
with me because they got blew into
pieces.
Common sense is all I am selling here.
Again, Even if I agree with your qualifiers,
I can not say that messing with ordinance
is not DANGERIOUS.
All ordinance is dangerious to some degree.
A recent death of a treasurhunter backs my
statement.
I am only trying to be responsible here.
Sorry that some are taking offence.
Until you can bring back tha dead, I would
not recomend saying that ordinance is safe.
I will not back down on protecting tha public.
Any other stand tro me is WRONG.
Sorry to offend tha living.
But think of tha survivors and those yet to
be mangled. Includins, as always, little kids.
Ya like kids, Right?
Well then, if you want to promote droping
and beating ordinance with a hammer.
Do it to tha wind.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
Civil War ordinance is not as
powerful, or sensative as modern
ordinance. Or even nearly as
dangerious. But, DANGERIOUS
none tha less.
But I will take exception to any
one making a blanket stayement
that ordinance is safe.
I took an oth as a professional
land surveyor to protect tha Public.
That includes everyone.
I do not mean to offend anyone.
I do hold on to that promise to protect
tha Public.
Anyone that says that messing with
ordinance is safe, is absoluitely WRONG.
Millions of dead are not here to agree
with me because they got blew into
pieces.
Common sense is all I am selling here.
Again, Even if I agree with your qualifiers,
I can not say that messing with ordinance
is not DANGERIOUS.
All ordinance is dangerious to some degree.
A recent death of a treasurhunter backs my
statement.
I am only trying to be responsible here.
Sorry that some are taking offence.
Until you can bring back tha dead, I would
not recomend saying that ordinance is safe.
I will not back down on protecting tha public.
Any other stand tro me is WRONG.
Sorry to offend tha living.
But think of tha survivors and those yet to
be mangled. Includins, as always, little kids.
Ya like kids, Right?
Well then, if you want to promote droping
and beating ordinance with a hammer.
Do it to tha wind.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
holey dollar
New member
VaRelics
Thanks for your Reply, The Quote you Quoted droping on the floor will not set the shell etc off.
Sorry if the fuse is still intact yes it can indeed go off, by droping on the floor. Not only Black powder was used at the time of the Cival War,
I am an Electrician by trade, was working in Kalgoorlie West Australia at an Explosive reserve, steel containers full of boxes of all sorts of Explosives/compounds Etc Etc. yep we were told its safe to use an Electric Drill in the steel Container with all this shit .
Point is Guys working anything can happen, drill falls out of your hand hits a detonator, who is to say what could happen. In the perfect world Yep you should be OK, go back a few years who would of said USA would loose the Vietnam War, we are not in the perfect world.
Take Care
Dave /Holey Dollar
Thanks for your Reply, The Quote you Quoted droping on the floor will not set the shell etc off.
Sorry if the fuse is still intact yes it can indeed go off, by droping on the floor. Not only Black powder was used at the time of the Cival War,
I am an Electrician by trade, was working in Kalgoorlie West Australia at an Explosive reserve, steel containers full of boxes of all sorts of Explosives/compounds Etc Etc. yep we were told its safe to use an Electric Drill in the steel Container with all this shit .
Point is Guys working anything can happen, drill falls out of your hand hits a detonator, who is to say what could happen. In the perfect world Yep you should be OK, go back a few years who would of said USA would loose the Vietnam War, we are not in the perfect world.
Take Care
Dave /Holey Dollar