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Appreciate advice in selecting a first detector

Hi,
All the machines mentioned by the posters before me and all good machines, and you will always have users who say some are better than others, and it may be true. It is a fact that some machines can go deeper, are more responsive, have better ability to adjust to different soils etc. etc. than others.
If a very good friend was to ask me the question you have asked, I would say to him/her something like this:
When you are starting off in detecting you do not want to start with cheap rubbish..you will only become frustrated and disheartened. By the same token, you dont want to start with the most high tech. unit that does everything except make you a cup of coffee, either...you will only become frustrated and disheartened. When you are starting out you need a machine which is simple to use, yet can be adjusted to suit varying conditions, and can perfrom to a degree that will satisfy the user whilst the user is learning to detect, and beyond. If the detector can take a veriety of different coils, all the better.
When you are starting in the hobby, it makes common sense to buy a detector which is lighter rather than heavier. You wont know until you start swinging for long hours how your body is going to cope with detecting, so give yourself a break and dont overload your system (relating to comfort) until you have some idea how much punishment your arms and back can take.
You have mentioned some good detectors in your own post. Take the Cibola (and I am not stating that you should buy the Cibola). It is light, has good respose to targets and can be used in a variety of locations (even shallow water at a salt beach) it has several coils available in different sizes. However, whilst it would be a good detector to start with, you might soon start wishing you had bought a detector with adjustable ground balance, and look longingly at the Vacquero (or one of the X Terras, or one of the Fisher F series or one of the Teknetics etc. etc.) Pewrsonally, I would not recommend a Sovereign or the more high tech. Minelabs ( E Trac) to a beginner. Whilst they are great machines, I think a beginner should begin with a machine where he or she can learn the basics of detecting and then progress to a machine at the higher end of the market . If you were buying a car for your son or daughter to learn to drive, would you buy them a Ford or Toyota, or would you go for a Ferrari.
Consider the machines which wont do everything for you, but will make you learn about what you are doing while detecting, i.e. the effects of having your sensitivity too high,(or too low); how to ground balance (or get the best out of a detector which has pre-set GB).
Good luck with your quest. If you go for a good brand with a good warranty then you will get a good detector. It is then up to you to get the best out of it. Often, we need to learn what we are doing before we can get the best out of anything. All the Best.
 
I ruled out all the stuff from First Texas. They just seem way to unstable.
I am still not sure on which model I will go with but pretty sure it will be a Minelab.

So was just looking at the new 2009 Minelab Safari and the video on MLOTV, it has the features I like in the Xterra 705 and the FBS technology which I assume is even better than the BBS technology of the Sovereign xt. I really like the looks and features of this one. I think I should be able to use this in the farms, fields and woods around here as well as at the beach with great success.

I am really not interested shallow nickels and dimes. Want to concentrate on the much older coins, relics and maybe some jewelry on the beach.
But it's all new to me so a find is a find and should be enjoyable in any aspect.


Does anyone know if these detectors ever go on sale? I want to buy on Cyber Monday.
 
Thanks Furious,
I made my last post before I read your comment.

I am a technical learn all, do all kind of guy and pretty sure I will be able to understand and handle the more advanced units. I am more worried about getting bored with it a few months after purchase.
 
There's been more than one person loose interest after a few hunts. So if your not sure why not buy a Ace 250 orXterra 305. This way if you do get bored with the hobby you won't take a big hit on resale. You can always use these machines as a back up if you decide to buy another machine.
 
the sovereign would be a great machine. all you have to do is turn it on and go. dig everything until you learn the tones, then ignore the bad ones. no ground balancing.
 
Might as well throw my 2 cents in. Sky1 keep it simple, easy, light. There are so many detectors for sale that have only a few hours on them. It is very easy to get into the overwhelm mode in metal detecting. Frustration is almost always knocking on the door too. Swinging the detector for hours and all you have is junk or you haven't found anything. It happens all to often. It takes an unusual person to stay with detecting. There is boredom that puts its foot in the door also. You have to really like the outdoors and the weather will have a lot of a say in your detecting. You have to love the hunt. All I am saying is it is much harder than most beginners think. There is much to learn and it all hits you when you are out there with no clue of what is going on. Frustration, confusion, anger, impatience, overwhelm, heat, sore muscles, aching joints, hunger, people asking questions, boredom all of this has a tendency to hit and if they all hit at once it could be the end. If you have someone who will show you and go out with you that will help a lot.
I like Furious T's post. I like the idea of a cheaper turn on and go detector around $200. If you don't wrap it around a tree in a few months you will probably stick around for a little longer and think about a better detector. You will know in a short time with a few hunts under your belt. Sorry that is probably a nickels worth...
Thanks for reading..... Happy Trails......Z
 
Thanks Zeekeys, a Cheapo one was my original plan. I was wanting an Ace 250. But then I thought that if I had one of those and it only goes down a couple inches I would blame my bad luck on the detector and want a better one. I also wanted one I could ground balance. I do want one that works well on the beach has good depth in the wet sand, Like everyone else, I want to try some luck in finding rings. I noticed the cheapo ones did not work very well in the wet sand and in the dry sand was lot of junk mixed with a bit of loose modern coins. So from what I have read I really need to get one with that BBS or FBS technology for the wet sand.

That is what ruled out my decision on the F5 (which I really liked but no environmental cover) and the F70 ( but reports of RFI). I liked that the Tessoro has good depth and long warranty but felt I would be digging a LOT of trash when trying to use it around here near my home, farm fields and old homesites. That led me to the Minelab Sovereign GT, but really want a VDI and I heard it would be way too slow for the occasional trashy areas. I kinda want one that I can use for both.

So thought about the X-terra's wow they look very light and easy to use. Thought the 70 would be best, it does have a beach mode and could supposedly use it for prospecting. Thought that was the one till I saw the Safari, that one seems like the best of both worlds, a little heavier maybe but I doubt that will be too much of a problem.


Thanks for your help!!!!
 
Sky1 said:
I ruled out all the stuff from First Texas. They just seem way to unstable.
I am still not sure on which model I will go with but pretty sure it will be a Minelab.

So was just looking at the new 2009 Minelab Safari and the video on MLOTV, it has the features I like in the Xterra 705 and the FBS technology which I assume is even better than the BBS technology of the Sovereign xt. I really like the looks and features of this one. I think I should be able to use this in the farms, fields and woods around here as well as at the beach with great success.

I am really not interested shallow nickels and dimes. Want to concentrate on the much older coins, relics and maybe some jewelry on the beach.
But it's all new to me so a find is a find and should be enjoyable in any aspect.


Does anyone know if these detectors ever go on sale? I want to buy on Cyber Monday.

I have and have only used the F75 from first texas and its not unstable at all. Its a little noisy on the wet sand at the ocean but still performs well there. those can be had for a litttle over $500 now which is very reasonable.
maybe I read this wrong but you are aware the Xterras are not FBS or BBS right?
 
Sky1 I had a Safari that is a very good detector. In fact one of the best that I have ever used. I would still be using it if it had not been so heavy. It is a great detector but one that I could only swing for a few hours and back and arm got sore. It is easy to set up but but but it is a hard detector to get used to. You have to spend a lot of frustrating time trying to figure out what is saying. Go to the Safari forum and look at the Safari when it first came out and see the guys who had them. Not many of those guys left with them now. It is a detector that takes some time to get used to. These guys were not beginners.... Thanks for reading.... Happy Trails....Z
 
Well, I pushed the button and placed the order!
Ordered a new Minelab Safari!

Now, time to plan a beach trip!
 
Sky1 said:
Well, I pushed the button and placed the order!
Ordered a new Minelab Safari!

Sky1,
Make sure you get on the Minelab Safari forum and keep us posted on how you like it. I am saving up for one now and hope to get it next spring.
Dan
 
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