Terry in PA
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Wander if they are getting close to the T2 in the depth department or Iron discrimination ?
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Anyone try any of the new teknetics yet ? Delta,Gamma,Omega
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because that's right where they belong with those newbie small headphone jacks, plastic arm cups, etc. We banished them from this forum because this is just a T2 class, & quite frankly they are not even close to being compared to a T2. I have put them side by side. Serious detectorists are just going to laugh them off mainly due to seeing the small jacks (even if they hit a dime at 16").......
Sadly it appears they have decided that the Fisher name they bought will become their "top of the line" ones, and the Technetics name they also bought are to become their 'El cheapo line. In other words, they are getting away from the bounty hunter name as it's been the laughing stock of the hobby for years being equated to WalMart & radio shack's. My Bounty hunter "gold" sure looks & acts exactly like these re-branded Alpha Beta things. The frat house models?
Sadly it appears they have decided that the Fisher name they bought will become their "top of the line" ones, and the Technetics name they also bought are to become their 'El cheapo line. In other words, they are getting away from the bounty hunter name as it's been the laughing stock of the hobby for years being equated to WalMart & radio shack's. My Bounty hunter "gold" sure looks & acts exactly like these re-branded Alpha Beta things. The frat house models?
Terry in PA
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BuckeyeBrad
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and I can honestly say that's it's performance impresses me a lot! I usually gravitate towards the top of the line units because all (and there's been a lot) the mid and low end units I've had were fun to play with, learn to get the most out of them, and appreciate their value (or not, in some cases), but there would always come a time that with my owning it's big brother, the mid and low line units would become inferiorly redundant. While using the Gamma, I found multiple silver coins in an area that I'd hunted for a good many years with a plethora of top shelf stuff with a variety of coil shapes, sizes, and designs, and they failed to sniff ANY out. These goodies were not shallow and had masking objects nearby. When I hunt I really try to pay close attention (and mentally log) to all current ground conditions, coil selection, settings, etc, and always try to mix it up when nothing seems to be working. I want to find things but more importantly I want to learn things. The Gamma surprised me plain and simple. It taught me that, at least in this case, there is a reason to swing this mid priced detector besides just for fun and value. Sorry Bill, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. 
Sounds like your happy with the software & that it's decent enough to find things. I'm speaking more about the hardware....the build quality issues again. People complain about F75's & T2's breaking all the time (& I'm on my 3rd F75 coil, second T2 unit, & both hardgrips are spilt & taped up). But, holding one of these things in one hand & say my T2 in the other.....well, that's where I FEEL a major difference. All the rods are the really lightweight ones, as is the coil. Same coil as the Radio Shacks. The arm cup is the cheap plastic kind, not the bendable fisher type. Then the mini headphone jack thing so the first thing you have to do is go buy an adaptor.
If the heavier T2 & F75's break alot, those frat units I'd be sending back every month.......Just feels & reminds me of a Radio Shack 3300 too much because they have borrowed alot of the same parts. I love how people will spin units like this as..."WOW so light!" Yea, detectors that are made too light are made to break in my opinion.
For the same $$ I'll stick with an ID-Excel and a lifetime warranty that I haven't had to send back yet as it handles the rugged, forest type hunting I do......
If the heavier T2 & F75's break alot, those frat units I'd be sending back every month.......Just feels & reminds me of a Radio Shack 3300 too much because they have borrowed alot of the same parts. I love how people will spin units like this as..."WOW so light!" Yea, detectors that are made too light are made to break in my opinion.
For the same $$ I'll stick with an ID-Excel and a lifetime warranty that I haven't had to send back yet as it handles the rugged, forest type hunting I do......
Ed in SoDak
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I guess intended use plays a part, but there's more to it than just that. Not everybody goes thrashing through the brush. With the plethora of low- to mid-priced units in the various First Texas lineups, their target market is most definitely casual detectorists. My guess is the majority of these machines live in the closet after purchase. To build like a tank would put the price point out of reach of this segment of the buying public.
I agree totally that once you climb out of the $100-$300 pack of detectors, increasing price should include more robust construction. I've mentioned before that most people do not really comprehend the innards and won't ever see it. All they have to go by to judge "quality" is the look and feel. Sturdy connectors, solid stems add a lot to first impressions and will take abuse better.
Marketing realities aside, there is company philosophy. First Texas, as long as I've been familiar with the brand going back 30 years, has always kept production costs as low as possible. Whether it be saving a few pennies by buying the lowest cost battery clips in huge quantities or by using the identical coils, rods and cases on as many models as possible, FT has consistently kept their costs down.
While they have upgraded the quality level in the T2 and I'm sure also the Fisher units, their deeply entrenched corporate thriftiness is going to be hard to overcome. The company could take some lessons in marketing as well, and over time this could be used to alter public perception of their products.
They do care about performance, as seen by the numerous upgrades to many of their models, often done with little to no fanfare. While other companies call it a new model and tack on a higher price, FT has steadily refined their machines internally with no price increases. My Time Ranger, for example, is labeled on the circuit board as being Revision 8 1997, and there has been at least two known major revisions of it since then, and quite probably several more "undocumented" upgrades inbetween.
FT gets kicked around quite a bit, but you have to admit they are walking the walk in the critical areas of performance and in keeping several brands alive and advancing their technology.
-Ed
I agree totally that once you climb out of the $100-$300 pack of detectors, increasing price should include more robust construction. I've mentioned before that most people do not really comprehend the innards and won't ever see it. All they have to go by to judge "quality" is the look and feel. Sturdy connectors, solid stems add a lot to first impressions and will take abuse better.
Marketing realities aside, there is company philosophy. First Texas, as long as I've been familiar with the brand going back 30 years, has always kept production costs as low as possible. Whether it be saving a few pennies by buying the lowest cost battery clips in huge quantities or by using the identical coils, rods and cases on as many models as possible, FT has consistently kept their costs down.
While they have upgraded the quality level in the T2 and I'm sure also the Fisher units, their deeply entrenched corporate thriftiness is going to be hard to overcome. The company could take some lessons in marketing as well, and over time this could be used to alter public perception of their products.
They do care about performance, as seen by the numerous upgrades to many of their models, often done with little to no fanfare. While other companies call it a new model and tack on a higher price, FT has steadily refined their machines internally with no price increases. My Time Ranger, for example, is labeled on the circuit board as being Revision 8 1997, and there has been at least two known major revisions of it since then, and quite probably several more "undocumented" upgrades inbetween.
FT gets kicked around quite a bit, but you have to admit they are walking the walk in the critical areas of performance and in keeping several brands alive and advancing their technology.
-Ed
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Jackpine Savage
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So it ain't cheap "frat house booze"?
Nice little write up Brad. It's good to here that Tek has come out with an "economy" priced detector with above average performance.
It's kinda like what is the best Vodka, with a big selection of top shelf stuff for the brand loyal crowd and a few hidden gems in the mid price range!
That said I prefer Gin!
Tom
Nice little write up Brad. It's good to here that Tek has come out with an "economy" priced detector with above average performance.
It's kinda like what is the best Vodka, with a big selection of top shelf stuff for the brand loyal crowd and a few hidden gems in the mid price range!
That said I prefer Gin!
Tom
meaning these things were not made for professional, serious detectorists at all but to inflate profit numbers. If they get used once & all end up in the closet...who cares? Bounty hunter just looks at their numbers & tells everyone, "We're selling more than ever!"
I told them 2 years ago that no matter how well the software inside was, things like mini headphone jacks weren't gonna fly with any serious hobbiest. I wanted no part in it, & don't even own a set of walkman headphones. I was fed all kinds of "re-tooling" excuses. But, now it's obvious they didn't care & were brushing me off all along because these things are really made for Cabella's & Walmart...places where newbies either won't use headphones, or will buy a cheap walkman type in the stereo aisle for $6 to plug in there......
But I'm sure this is all by design as they would rather the serious detectorist with $100. headphones buy their $1200.00 F75.....
Weather people love them or not, that's all fine & good. My issue is trying to slip them into the T2 forum all because they decided to change the line from Bounty hUnter Gold, Platinum, silver, to the word "Technetics". Classic name re-branding. I have held & used them all....& well it's really not even close.
I told them 2 years ago that no matter how well the software inside was, things like mini headphone jacks weren't gonna fly with any serious hobbiest. I wanted no part in it, & don't even own a set of walkman headphones. I was fed all kinds of "re-tooling" excuses. But, now it's obvious they didn't care & were brushing me off all along because these things are really made for Cabella's & Walmart...places where newbies either won't use headphones, or will buy a cheap walkman type in the stereo aisle for $6 to plug in there......
But I'm sure this is all by design as they would rather the serious detectorist with $100. headphones buy their $1200.00 F75.....
Weather people love them or not, that's all fine & good. My issue is trying to slip them into the T2 forum all because they decided to change the line from Bounty hUnter Gold, Platinum, silver, to the word "Technetics". Classic name re-branding. I have held & used them all....& well it's really not even close.
BuckeyeBrad
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I drug out the venerable 3300 last night and studied the differences. Other than the coil mold, I don't see any. Rods are different, grip composition is different, one has cam locks the other don't, arm cups are different. I even took the time to plug the 3300 coil into the Gamma and it's just like we learned when we tried the BH coils on the F-5. It plugs in, it plays, but it only has about 1/4 of the depth so it's not the same coil. All the other hardware looks to be reapplication from the F-70, not BH. I thought you liked the F-70? I never saw the prototype that you had but it sounds like it was a predecessor to the yet to be released Alpha? Is there a chance that it's changed over time and the dealers production version will be different? I'd bet big that that's the case. Bottom line is it's not even out so how would we know? I know there is a lot of history that shows what goes into Cabelas initially ain't what goes into the dealers later. I think you well know that even though the F-5 is in the same housing as the 3300, it's not a 3300 by any stretch of the imagination. Given that, isn't it probable that the Gamma, although it looks like the Platinum, is something quite different? I'd bet that too. I don't know if you saw it or not but there was an announcement on another forum that said the new production dealer stock of the Delta, Gamma, and Omega will have BOTH 1/8" AND 1/4" headphone jacks. No more headphone worries that you mentioned and those that don't want to spend $75 to $150 for a "professional" set of phones can do whatever they want including using a good set of audio phones they have with a 1/8" jack. That's not a bad option for everyone to have if they hunt in the heat of the summer. Did you notice that the Omega will have the ergos of the T-2 with the display grip mounted? I think that's a good thing. I actually wish that was the case with the F-70. The announcement also stated that the coil connector will be the locking ring design instead of the push in like that on the F-5. Back to the homework and those pesky plastic arm cups. I took my F-75 and just swung it for awhile. Then I did the same thing with the Gamma. I know that metal is typically more durable than plastic but the cups must serve more purpose than durability. The Gamma has the slots molded in so the operator can add the velcro strap and I have that on mine. It is actually slightly deeper than that of the T-2/F-75 design. It comes up around the arm with more of a radius than just straight up like the T-2. Cinch down the strap and it's more comfortable than the T-2/F-75 IMO and that's not a bad option for when you're not wearing a coat. You'd have to slot the T-2 or use some adhesive sided velcro to have this option with the T-2 and that definitely wouldn't look "perfeshunul" now would it Just kiddin'. Look, like every other detector, this isn't perfect and I'm sure it's not designed to make every owner retire every other detector they have but I think many of those that use it and learn it will be pleasantly surprised. I know I was. I'm not trying to change your mind or perceptions, Bill....just sharing my opinion and tellin ya what I see. Oh hayul.... I almost forgot the 40 step iron resolution that comes on "The Greeks" and you rave about that all the time, right?
I never saw the prototype that you had but it sounds like it was a predecessor to the yet to be released Alpha? Is there a chance that it's changed over time and the dealers production version will be different? I'd bet big that that's the case. Bottom line is it's not even out so how would we know? I know there is a lot of history that shows what goes into Cabelas initially ain't what goes into the dealers later. I think you well know that even though the F-5 is in the same housing as the 3300, it's not a 3300 by any stretch of the imagination. Given that, isn't it probable that the Gamma, although it looks like the Platinum, is something quite different? I'd bet that too. I don't know if you saw it or not but there was an announcement on another forum that said the new production dealer stock of the Delta, Gamma, and Omega will have BOTH 1/8" AND 1/4" headphone jacks. No more headphone worries that you mentioned and those that don't want to spend $75 to $150 for a "professional" set of phones can do whatever they want including using a good set of audio phones they have with a 1/8" jack. That's not a bad option for everyone to have if they hunt in the heat of the summer. Did you notice that the Omega will have the ergos of the T-2 with the display grip mounted? I think that's a good thing. I actually wish that was the case with the F-70. The announcement also stated that the coil connector will be the locking ring design instead of the push in like that on the F-5. Back to the homework and those pesky plastic arm cups. I took my F-75 and just swung it for awhile. Then I did the same thing with the Gamma. I know that metal is typically more durable than plastic but the cups must serve more purpose than durability. The Gamma has the slots molded in so the operator can add the velcro strap and I have that on mine. It is actually slightly deeper than that of the T-2/F-75 design. It comes up around the arm with more of a radius than just straight up like the T-2. Cinch down the strap and it's more comfortable than the T-2/F-75 IMO and that's not a bad option for when you're not wearing a coat. You'd have to slot the T-2 or use some adhesive sided velcro to have this option with the T-2 and that definitely wouldn't look "perfeshunul" now would it Just kiddin'. Look, like every other detector, this isn't perfect and I'm sure it's not designed to make every owner retire every other detector they have but I think many of those that use it and learn it will be pleasantly surprised. I know I was. I'm not trying to change your mind or perceptions, Bill....just sharing my opinion and tellin ya what I see. Oh hayul.... I almost forgot the 40 step iron resolution that comes on "The Greeks" and you rave about that all the time, right?BuckeyeBrad
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I used them both and the small headphone jack is not a problem at all. But hey if someone wants to find something bad about the Delta or Gamma let's take the small jack as a bad thing.
Let me list what I like about them.
1. Very lightweight with just a little over 2 pounds. Fun to swing !
2. Low power consumption. Over 25 hour with just one 9 Volt battery.
3. All Metal Mode is not just 0 Disc Mode, it is what's called true All Metal Mode on other brands and the Delta and Gamma still have VDI Numbers in that very deep All Metal Mode. That Mode cut through bad mineralised ground that's hard to believe.
4. Expanded Iron Range helps to pull silver coins out of iron loaded sides.
Sure, the Delta is not targeted to the top of the line detector user with it's preset ground balance and Disc by categories, but out of the box performance for the money is hard to beat.
The question is: Which detector is better for the same price tag ?
The Gamma does not have to hide either. I've used it and the depth for a 7,8 KHZ frequency detector is outstanding, especially in All Metal with ground balance and VDI.
Info about ground minerals help to decide when to change to All Metal Mode for more depth.
I like the new lightweight line and look forward to try the new Omega when it's released.
Andy,NM
Let me list what I like about them.
1. Very lightweight with just a little over 2 pounds. Fun to swing !
2. Low power consumption. Over 25 hour with just one 9 Volt battery.
3. All Metal Mode is not just 0 Disc Mode, it is what's called true All Metal Mode on other brands and the Delta and Gamma still have VDI Numbers in that very deep All Metal Mode. That Mode cut through bad mineralised ground that's hard to believe.
4. Expanded Iron Range helps to pull silver coins out of iron loaded sides.
Sure, the Delta is not targeted to the top of the line detector user with it's preset ground balance and Disc by categories, but out of the box performance for the money is hard to beat.
The question is: Which detector is better for the same price tag ?
The Gamma does not have to hide either. I've used it and the depth for a 7,8 KHZ frequency detector is outstanding, especially in All Metal with ground balance and VDI.
Info about ground minerals help to decide when to change to All Metal Mode for more depth.
I like the new lightweight line and look forward to try the new Omega when it's released.
Andy,NM
I'm not going to keep going back & forth with everybody who was sent here by Mike Scott to attempt to refute me....... He and first texas wants good little posters who will hype up everything hoping to stay on his good side for the next handout. Not people like me who question everything & tell it like it is.
I now hear through the grapevine they are adding a second full sized headphone jack. I know First Texas spends more time reading my posts than they do on anything else, so this great new idea should be 100% credited all to me. I've single handedly had the guts to stand up & declare on these forums for over a year, & in all the e-mails Mike likes to cut up & forward to everyone out of context, this needed to be done.
Go look at the archives. I have an e-mail only about a month or 2 old I can post here telling me once again it was too expensive to re-tool a bigger jack after I saw that German video.......But, then lo & behold guess what they suddenly decided to do All this after they were telling their "field testers" to spin the small jacks off as a "good thing" & you could even use your cell phone ear piece! LOL Yea right. But, heck no I'll never ever get credit for anything. I know exactly who will take all the credit, but that's OK because it's 100% clear now to everyone on Findmall F.Texas agreed with what Bill Ladd has been harping on all along. Why else would they have ever done a sudden 360 & relented to have spent that cash to do that re-tooling right after I saw the German video & e-mailed them again??
I wanted these Alpha betas the heck off the T2 forum, and we did that to some objections from the designers themselves....that obviously was an added wake up call to them also their mini headset jacks were a big issue & wasn't gonna fly in forums like this.....
It's now rather clear they need someone like me who's not afraid to post the truth, and do so with my real screenname. Someone to stand up & kick some butt once & awhile & say this is crap rather then inexperienced minions who will hype up anything just as a thank you.....
I now hear through the grapevine they are adding a second full sized headphone jack. I know First Texas spends more time reading my posts than they do on anything else, so this great new idea should be 100% credited all to me. I've single handedly had the guts to stand up & declare on these forums for over a year, & in all the e-mails Mike likes to cut up & forward to everyone out of context, this needed to be done.
Go look at the archives. I have an e-mail only about a month or 2 old I can post here telling me once again it was too expensive to re-tool a bigger jack after I saw that German video.......But, then lo & behold guess what they suddenly decided to do
All this after they were telling their "field testers" to spin the small jacks off as a "good thing" & you could even use your cell phone ear piece! LOL Yea right. But, heck no I'll never ever get credit for anything. I know exactly who will take all the credit, but that's OK because it's 100% clear now to everyone on Findmall F.Texas agreed with what Bill Ladd has been harping on all along. Why else would they have ever done a sudden 360 & relented to have spent that cash to do that re-tooling right after I saw the German video & e-mailed them again?? I wanted these Alpha betas the heck off the T2 forum, and we did that to some objections from the designers themselves....that obviously was an added wake up call to them also their mini headset jacks were a big issue & wasn't gonna fly in forums like this.....
It's now rather clear they need someone like me who's not afraid to post the truth, and do so with my real screenname. Someone to stand up & kick some butt once & awhile & say this is crap rather then inexperienced minions who will hype up anything just as a thank you.....
Hello Bill,
I don't know what's the deal with you and First Texas and stuff like "should be 100% credited all to me". I don't know you, but people asking for credit is strange for me. It seems something has happened that you like to point out only the stuff you don't like about a detector, which is fine but you don't point out the good stuff about a detector. The balance is missing and I think it could be the reason you don't get the credit you want or deserve.
Fine, lets talk about the new Teknetics detectors.
Bad small headphone jack. You have a point here . But is it really that bad that people shouldn't buy the detector because of the headphone jack ? I hunted many hours with it and it works fine and I even started to like the small jack, because I can use $4 mp3 player headphone on it. But you can buy high quality headphones with a small jack too if you want. Now with the second headphone jack it looks to me something was fixed that wasn't broken.
The Delta is not targeted to us "spend $1000 detector user". The Delta is for people who like it simple..just turn it on and go. Plug your headphones in you have at home anyway, because someone has an mp3 player or whatever uses small plug headphones. The question here is which detector for $349 is better than the Delta. Well ...many have the large headphone jack you may say. But what about features, power and weight ? I'm a T2 user, because of the expanded iron range that comes in handy here in Germany. I have used the Delta that won't become my #1 detector but for the price tag I was happy with the depth and features.
Try to see the good side too and that will get you more credit not only on the forums .....
Best to you,
Andy the hyper.
I don't know what's the deal with you and First Texas and stuff like "should be 100% credited all to me". I don't know you, but people asking for credit is strange for me. It seems something has happened that you like to point out only the stuff you don't like about a detector, which is fine but you don't point out the good stuff about a detector. The balance is missing and I think it could be the reason you don't get the credit you want or deserve.
Fine, lets talk about the new Teknetics detectors.
Bad small headphone jack. You have a point here . But is it really that bad that people shouldn't buy the detector because of the headphone jack ? I hunted many hours with it and it works fine and I even started to like the small jack, because I can use $4 mp3 player headphone on it. But you can buy high quality headphones with a small jack too if you want. Now with the second headphone jack it looks to me something was fixed that wasn't broken.
The Delta is not targeted to us "spend $1000 detector user". The Delta is for people who like it simple..just turn it on and go. Plug your headphones in you have at home anyway, because someone has an mp3 player or whatever uses small plug headphones. The question here is which detector for $349 is better than the Delta. Well ...many have the large headphone jack you may say. But what about features, power and weight ? I'm a T2 user, because of the expanded iron range that comes in handy here in Germany. I have used the Delta that won't become my #1 detector but for the price tag I was happy with the depth and features.
Try to see the good side too and that will get you more credit not only on the forums .....
Best to you,
Andy the hyper.
Ed in SoDak
Member
Bill, a lot fo your posts come off as abusive and abrasive. There's also based on your own conjecture. Where do you get your information that any of us are sent here to evangelize? I resent the implication. I've never met the Mike you mention, I'm not a paid shill.
To see posts such as these coming from a moderator upsets me greatly. If you've been put on ignore by FT, I sure wouldn't blame them. I left the forums the lasr time because I got tired of all the T2 bashing. I see things haven't changed much.
later.
-Ed
To see posts such as these coming from a moderator upsets me greatly. If you've been put on ignore by FT, I sure wouldn't blame them. I left the forums the lasr time because I got tired of all the T2 bashing. I see things haven't changed much.
later.
-Ed
lets not get all worked up now like my post was directed all totally at you personally......I had to put it someplace. I put it under Brad it would have looked like I was calling him out.
Now that I got YOUR attention Come to think of it, you were one of the main ones spinning the small jack as a great thing while I was ripping it right? Still think it's a great idea now that they are changing them all out? Who ended up being totally right on this? Thanks for agreeing I had a point. MP3 headphones? Your kidding right? How about black socks in the field too? It long been common knowlege full ear cups block out background noise & are the only way to go if your serious about hearing all the audio differences, etc. Why bother with all kinds of tone ID if you can't hear 'em well? But I guess I don't need to tell you anymore as bounty hunter has agreed & taken my side on this....
No, I don't need or expect any "credit" for anything out of these people. You missed the overall point. The point is they ARE listening to me rant even if I'm a thorn in their side now. I'm making damn good suggestions & they are listening even though deep down they would never admit it. This is not the first time. I did an F5 video & ran down the controls (U must remember as you copied it in German)
Even though they let me keep the F5 in trade for a great video that got them great promotion of over 7000 hits worldwide & sold them 100's of F5's, I did something not many others would have the stones to do. Instead of a snow job of highlighting only the good things like you said I should be doing to thank them for a free gift, I posted public why I disliked the detector. Specifically the manual was a major mess & it made ground balancing way too overblown with 2 pages of mass confusion. I posted the manual needed to be re-done (I can pull the post from archives here}. So, just exactly like is happening here now, I took it from all sides from the F5 minions sent in here to defend their free gifts & make an impression to the kid passing out the free detectors. Some felt the need to try to really make an impression and put threats in writing which was pretty smart (we saved that stuff). Then what happens? Well, all the smoke clears and lo & behold out comes a new F5 manual all rewritten & ground balancing is suddenly a breeze now........Hmmm.
HH,
Bill
Now that I got YOUR attention
Come to think of it, you were one of the main ones spinning the small jack as a great thing while I was ripping it right? Still think it's a great idea now that they are changing them all out? Who ended up being totally right on this? Thanks for agreeing I had a point. MP3 headphones? Your kidding right? How about black socks in the field too? It long been common knowlege full ear cups block out background noise & are the only way to go if your serious about hearing all the audio differences, etc. Why bother with all kinds of tone ID if you can't hear 'em well? But I guess I don't need to tell you anymore as bounty hunter has agreed & taken my side on this....No, I don't need or expect any "credit" for anything out of these people. You missed the overall point. The point is they ARE listening to me rant even if I'm a thorn in their side now. I'm making damn good suggestions & they are listening even though deep down they would never admit it. This is not the first time. I did an F5 video & ran down the controls (U must remember as you copied it in German)
Even though they let me keep the F5 in trade for a great video that got them great promotion of over 7000 hits worldwide & sold them 100's of F5's, I did something not many others would have the stones to do. Instead of a snow job of highlighting only the good things like you said I should be doing to thank them for a free gift, I posted public why I disliked the detector. Specifically the manual was a major mess & it made ground balancing way too overblown with 2 pages of mass confusion. I posted the manual needed to be re-done (I can pull the post from archives here}. So, just exactly like is happening here now, I took it from all sides from the F5 minions sent in here to defend their free gifts & make an impression to the kid passing out the free detectors. Some felt the need to try to really make an impression and put threats in writing which was pretty smart (we saved that stuff). Then what happens? Well, all the smoke clears and lo & behold out comes a new F5 manual all rewritten & ground balancing is suddenly a breeze now........Hmmm.
HH,
Bill