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Anyone have any thoughts on a f-4 vs and I.D. Edge
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Jackpine Savage
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I was never a fan of multi tone machines for iron hunting until the Coinstrike came along. The Edge ups the ante a lot because of the improved audio and what you can get once you learn those nuances. Detectors like the T2 and X70 give you more choices but have to be run in the1 or two tone modes to have a chance at those iffies. Plus I prefer concentric coils when using something smaller than stock. The ML Advantage was always a favorite of mine for iron hunting but when it comes to sensitivity to a wide range of sizes and conductivities the Edge is far superior at pulling stuff out of those iron infested sites.
Tom
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Frank in NH
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Going to head to the ocean with my Eric Foster PI when the weather warms a little. Come on spring!
Everett Cavanah
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You are not alone, 80% of the time I pick up my EDGE.
Jackpine Savage
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But still it doesn't have a place in my arsenal. Had to use the one tone and real low nail disc to get any where finding stuff in iron. On days when you can put up with the falsing thats fine but sometimes in the real bad stuff it can get to be too much.
Keith, where do you set the disc on the Edge for heavy iron hunting? I used to use a small nail reject setting (-19) equivilent to what I used on the 1236 and 1270. The last few times out efore winter I started dialing in more iron disc and it doesn't seem to hamper it any. Whaddaya think?
Tom
Keith, where do you set the disc on the Edge for heavy iron hunting? I used to use a small nail reject setting (-19) equivilent to what I used on the 1236 and 1270. The last few times out efore winter I started dialing in more iron disc and it doesn't seem to hamper it any. Whaddaya think?
Tom
Jackpine Savage
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Thats what happened. Good luck when you make it to the shore.
Tom
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Keith Southern
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sometimes I do -36 but I notice the batteries dont last as long on full accept I guess the low tone constantly sounding off drains the batteries a little quicker.But you're right even the zero setting still produces.
One thing ive noticed is watch some of those negative numbers that just go barely negative say -5 or so then bounce back to say + 5 thats a low conductor hiding in some nails like cuff buttons and such.I usually try to dig -5 and up.in a house site.
Also the sweep speed is real forgiving on this thing!
I know what you mean about the t-2 its a great machine and one I highly admire I might take a t-2 over an f-75 for everyday use but they do leave targets in dense iron that the edge seems to sniff out behind them. I believe its more of because of the ability to fine tune the iron range like I was saying earlier some of those negative numbers are actually good targets other machines are just rejecting plain out.Thats the real time response at work
Keith Southern
One thing ive noticed is watch some of those negative numbers that just go barely negative say -5 or so then bounce back to say + 5 thats a low conductor hiding in some nails like cuff buttons and such.I usually try to dig -5 and up.in a house site.
Also the sweep speed is real forgiving on this thing!
I know what you mean about the t-2 its a great machine and one I highly admire I might take a t-2 over an f-75 for everyday use but they do leave targets in dense iron that the edge seems to sniff out behind them. I believe its more of because of the ability to fine tune the iron range like I was saying earlier some of those negative numbers are actually good targets other machines are just rejecting plain out.Thats the real time response at work
Keith Southern
Jackpine Savage
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Thanks Keith. I'll try using -21 and see if I can tolerate all the low tones from the nails. The Edge does have the quick audio recovery for hunting iron for sure. Shallow wading around iron taught me that you gotta dig those -/+ bouncers for the small low conductors. 
IMO target masking is more evident on the T2 with increased disc than it is on the Edge. Also, the T2's coil design seems to play a big part in seperation, perhaps more so than the "quick recovery" its noted for.
Tom
IMO target masking is more evident on the T2 with increased disc than it is on the Edge. Also, the T2's coil design seems to play a big part in seperation, perhaps more so than the "quick recovery" its noted for.
Tom
BarnacleBill
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FT to develop a 6 inch DD for the Edge?
Edge sales would increase what? Maybe 100% or more? And one for the Excel? Oh my!
HH
BarnacleBill
Edge sales would increase what? Maybe 100% or more? And one for the Excel? Oh my!HH
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BarnacleBill
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about not having a small coil, and then when they come out don't buy them? I wish the manufacturers would not release sales figures, but just percentages to show why they are reluctant to make new coils. i.e. Of all the Edges sold only 10% of customers bought the 6 inch concentric. I know that you know what goes through your dealership and it sounds like you've not been impressed with small coil sales across several models & lines. I know you've always been fair on your pricing of small coils even though they're obviously not a high margin item.
HH
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Jackpine Savage
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Heck yes and it would not neccessarily have to be 6" either. Any size within reason will do as long as it get a different "look" into the ground compared to concentrics. But realistically.. yeah, it ain't gonna happen.
Tom
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Keith Southern
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I used one for a while when the were first released in and old house site and it really opened my eyes on what I was leaving behind that till then I just couldnt get.Actually i think I dug enough small brass that day to fill up a small drink cup from Mc Donalds.Eagle buttons,knapsack rivets,pewter,real nice Elliptical lead filed rosette.just really opened my eyes ost of the items were the -,+ bounces .Yes the excel is very capable .I wonder what the pin arrangement is on the coil.I'll bet its just got a ground lug or something that needs to be clipped . you know they didnt make it that much different than the edge and coinstrike coils it would of cost too much.I might try and find me a excel to play with and see if i can get the 5.75 to work. heck it might do better than the Edge.
keith Southern
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Hi Bill
It's not just Fisher, but all manufactures of detectors. Whites most likely moves the most accessories coils because they give so many away with sales.
Even the distributors are very reluctant to stock accessory coils, but there kinda forced to so they maintain their full service. Individually, certain after market coils for select detectors do sell, but not at a very fast rate. I know your aware of the advantages of different size coils, but it's to bad the most are not.
It's not all about the user not knowing the advantages, but a lot has to do with the price range the detector sits in. Someone that purchases a $1000. detector is far more apt to purchase optional size coils. Someone that purchases a $250. detector, is not very likely to, although they may benefit more from than you or I. Strange as it is, it's the low to mid range detectors that benefit the most from optional coils. Here we are talking about the ID Excel & the ID Edge.
Change of subject:
Were having a heat wave here today. I think it made it up into the high 30's today.
It's not just Fisher, but all manufactures of detectors. Whites most likely moves the most accessories coils because they give so many away with sales.
Even the distributors are very reluctant to stock accessory coils, but there kinda forced to so they maintain their full service. Individually, certain after market coils for select detectors do sell, but not at a very fast rate. I know your aware of the advantages of different size coils, but it's to bad the most are not.
It's not all about the user not knowing the advantages, but a lot has to do with the price range the detector sits in. Someone that purchases a $1000. detector is far more apt to purchase optional size coils. Someone that purchases a $250. detector, is not very likely to, although they may benefit more from than you or I. Strange as it is, it's the low to mid range detectors that benefit the most from optional coils. Here we are talking about the ID Excel & the ID Edge.
Change of subject:
Were having a heat wave here today. I think it made it up into the high 30's today.
BarnacleBill
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gave me the wonderful opportunity to get out and.........shovel 2ft of snow off of the garage roof. Oh boy what a treat! But I'm hitting the ocean tomorrow, that is, if the Aleve works.
HH
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