Jason in TN
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Just wondering with the new E Trac by minelab would think they would have somthing soon.
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Any one heard anything on a new high end whites detector to be released.
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Jason in TN
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To consider prior White's models we like and don't like is only natural when thinking about what is to come. personally, I would be quite satisfied with they would bring out something that would rival the discontinued XL Pro, but i don't see that as a 'fit' with the trends in top-end model generation. I'll keep fingers crossed for something down-the-road, but I'm pretty sure that's not what we'll see. Looking at the present upper-end models, mainly the DFX, MXT and M6, I like the latter two but haven't been too fond of the DFX. My 'guess' is that they will enhance some of what it has to offer, and that's mainly multi-frequency selection.
Looking at the top-end competition, there's nothing to be concerned about in the Garrett line, but the Minelab Explorer SE and E-Trac as well as Fisher F-75 do offer some things different from the DFX. For one, they come standard with Double-D coils which means they can cover a little more ground per sweep, and they will also handle highly mineralized ground better making them a very useful standard feature. My guess? The new top-end unit will come standard with the new 10" D[sub]2[/sub] coil. A great performing and versatile coil that is also lightweight and contributes to a well-balanced detector.
I can guess that a new top-end model will offer multi-frequency operation, but I don't see it being Minelab-like. That is, none of the 17 or 28 frequency business. Instead, I would hope to see something that offered a selection of three frequencies. Not like the X-Terra 70 that requires a change to a particular frequency-specific coil, but one that uses 'standard' coils (such as those for the current Eclipse-based models) and permits the operator to select a frequency.
Something very low in the 2 kHz to 3 kHz range, to handle high mineralization and/or be hotter on high-conductive silver and such. A higher than currently popular frequency in the 20-24 kHz range. That would be different from others on the market now and, perhaps a bit 'hotter' for those who are after gold nuggets or small, low-conductive targets. And for those of us who are still a bit drawn to the versatile 'mid-range frequencies, maybe something between the old standard 6.59 kHz and 7.5 kHz. Just a great "general purpose" operating frequency.
While I'm dreaming I would like to see a new upper-end unit have more external touch-pad adjustment to eliminate a lot of the menu scrolling. The E-Trac improved upon this a little. One thing for sure, all the popular models seem to keep being more operator satisfying from the ease-of-operation standpoint.
Certainly a simple back-light similar to that on the Prizm 6T would be nice, and something different in selectable audio tone ID, also. I like the wide-range audio Tone ID of the XLT and DFX, but I also like the 9-tone audio of the Prizm 6T, and the ability to select 1,2,3,4 or multi-tone with Minelab's X-Terra 70.
Since I am but dreaming and using a bit of 'best-guess' added to my 'best-wish', I can also see a change in three models. I like the M6 and MXT. If I had my way, however, I'd give the M6 the 9-Tone audio and both the M6 and MXT the back-light of the Prizm 6T. The MXT is a dandy unit, but many who like the dual-tone audio also coin hunt and would like coin target ID references, not relic-base TID. Also, I don't see any application for the MXT's auto-notch rejection, and therefore what I would do with the MXT is eliminate the 'relic' ID and just have both modes provide Coin-type references. Also, in Coin & jewelry mode I'd make the trigger-toggle forward position lock in with a 9-Tone audio ID. Tone ID like the M6, but 9 audio tones like the Prizm 6T.
Now, since I would like to see some changes with the MXT and M6, perhaps the better way to tackle the approach to new offerings is to let the Prizm 6T hold the price-point it does, and offer three new models, not one, A Top model with more features, and two down-scale models with similar performance but with reduced features. That way they could simply replace the DFX, MXT and M6. Not that they don't perform, but I can see a new 'series', perhaps, with three new models.
I would hope they all come with the new powder coating like the MXT 300 and DFX 300 as it is very durable, and retains good looks since it doesn't show scratches and smudges as easily like the black painted models.
Finally, while I am dreaming away, I would also like to see three new upper-end series models, and trim the Prizm line to the 6T and one less-featured and lower priced. Then I'd like to see a return of the 'analog' series and it could contain three models. Two, for sure, but three would be nice. I am referring to something like a revived XL Pro and a and an IDX Pro and Classic III SL. The latter two would come standard with external GB and Threshold, like Bill Crabtree's modifications, and there would be a 6" thin-profile coil for them. The three would all share the same search coils, and preferably operate at the 6.59 kHz we've all come to admire.
Okay, that's all for my late-night day-dreaming.
Your thoughts?
Monte
Looking at the top-end competition, there's nothing to be concerned about in the Garrett line, but the Minelab Explorer SE and E-Trac as well as Fisher F-75 do offer some things different from the DFX. For one, they come standard with Double-D coils which means they can cover a little more ground per sweep, and they will also handle highly mineralized ground better making them a very useful standard feature. My guess? The new top-end unit will come standard with the new 10" D[sub]2[/sub] coil. A great performing and versatile coil that is also lightweight and contributes to a well-balanced detector.
I can guess that a new top-end model will offer multi-frequency operation, but I don't see it being Minelab-like. That is, none of the 17 or 28 frequency business. Instead, I would hope to see something that offered a selection of three frequencies. Not like the X-Terra 70 that requires a change to a particular frequency-specific coil, but one that uses 'standard' coils (such as those for the current Eclipse-based models) and permits the operator to select a frequency.
Something very low in the 2 kHz to 3 kHz range, to handle high mineralization and/or be hotter on high-conductive silver and such. A higher than currently popular frequency in the 20-24 kHz range. That would be different from others on the market now and, perhaps a bit 'hotter' for those who are after gold nuggets or small, low-conductive targets. And for those of us who are still a bit drawn to the versatile 'mid-range frequencies, maybe something between the old standard 6.59 kHz and 7.5 kHz. Just a great "general purpose" operating frequency.
While I'm dreaming I would like to see a new upper-end unit have more external touch-pad adjustment to eliminate a lot of the menu scrolling. The E-Trac improved upon this a little. One thing for sure, all the popular models seem to keep being more operator satisfying from the ease-of-operation standpoint.
Certainly a simple back-light similar to that on the Prizm 6T would be nice, and something different in selectable audio tone ID, also. I like the wide-range audio Tone ID of the XLT and DFX, but I also like the 9-tone audio of the Prizm 6T, and the ability to select 1,2,3,4 or multi-tone with Minelab's X-Terra 70.
Since I am but dreaming and using a bit of 'best-guess' added to my 'best-wish', I can also see a change in three models. I like the M6 and MXT. If I had my way, however, I'd give the M6 the 9-Tone audio and both the M6 and MXT the back-light of the Prizm 6T. The MXT is a dandy unit, but many who like the dual-tone audio also coin hunt and would like coin target ID references, not relic-base TID. Also, I don't see any application for the MXT's auto-notch rejection, and therefore what I would do with the MXT is eliminate the 'relic' ID and just have both modes provide Coin-type references. Also, in Coin & jewelry mode I'd make the trigger-toggle forward position lock in with a 9-Tone audio ID. Tone ID like the M6, but 9 audio tones like the Prizm 6T.
Now, since I would like to see some changes with the MXT and M6, perhaps the better way to tackle the approach to new offerings is to let the Prizm 6T hold the price-point it does, and offer three new models, not one, A Top model with more features, and two down-scale models with similar performance but with reduced features. That way they could simply replace the DFX, MXT and M6. Not that they don't perform, but I can see a new 'series', perhaps, with three new models.
I would hope they all come with the new powder coating like the MXT 300 and DFX 300 as it is very durable, and retains good looks since it doesn't show scratches and smudges as easily like the black painted models.
Finally, while I am dreaming away, I would also like to see three new upper-end series models, and trim the Prizm line to the 6T and one less-featured and lower priced. Then I'd like to see a return of the 'analog' series and it could contain three models. Two, for sure, but three would be nice. I am referring to something like a revived XL Pro and a and an IDX Pro and Classic III SL. The latter two would come standard with external GB and Threshold, like Bill Crabtree's modifications, and there would be a 6" thin-profile coil for them. The three would all share the same search coils, and preferably operate at the 6.59 kHz we've all come to admire.
Okay, that's all for my late-night day-dreaming.
Your thoughts?
Monte
I, for one, am hoping to see something new and exciting from White's this year, but that doesn't mean the MXT or M6 are programmed to quit working. 
I know my M6 will still serve me well, and the friends I got out with this past couple of weeks will continue to do well with their MXT's. Especially if they get the 10" DD coil. I offered one to use my 10" DD and the other my 10X12 SEF. Without a doubt, these make a dramatic difference in ground handling performance with the MXT's.
I think I'll run up a flag and see which way it blows soon. Maybe it will signal a revamped XL Pro? I, and others , can only hope we'll see that as a project in the near future.
Monte
I know my M6 will still serve me well, and the friends I got out with this past couple of weeks will continue to do well with their MXT's. Especially if they get the 10" DD coil. I offered one to use my 10" DD and the other my 10X12 SEF. Without a doubt, these make a dramatic difference in ground handling performance with the MXT's.
I think I'll run up a flag and see which way it blows soon. Maybe it will signal a revamped XL Pro? I, and others , can only hope we'll see that as a project in the near future.
Monte
Jason in TN
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I think we will have to see something on the high end most likely a suped up DFX. Will have to work on the beach in the salt. Hope it will use the same coils as the DFX.
I like the idea of the stock DD coil. I now have a E Track but will keep My Eye out here for any info on what may be on the way. I will bet it will be in the price range of the E Trac.
Can not imagine it will be long until we hear of a new top end detector from White's. just wish they would have had it befor i got my E Trac.
I like the idea of the stock DD coil. I now have a E Track but will keep My Eye out here for any info on what may be on the way. I will bet it will be in the price range of the E Trac.
Can not imagine it will be long until we hear of a new top end detector from White's. just wish they would have had it befor i got my E Trac.
Monte, I love my DFX! What would you replace it with? when they make one that can find gold and silver only, i will trade mine in. until then I'm happy with my DFX.If i could make a wish,possibly More frequencies would be nice, a 6.5 & 24 kHz added to the 3 & 15 kHz would help round out the stock programs. 24 kHz for prospecting, 6.5 kHz for coin/jewelry. 3,6.5,15&24 all going at once.Now that would be a hot rod! We will have to wait and see what they come up with?
Jason, I've been 'guessing' for decades now. Sometimes coming close and sometimes not. Some manufacturers have brought some surprises, and some have let the consumer down, but the latter generally haven't been White's offerings.
Personally, I am not hoping for a 'suped-up' DFX, but a serious advancement over the DFX.
The more I used it the more I have wished to see it as the standard coil to replace the 950 concentric, thus my 'wish/guess' is to see it offered as a stock coil. As I said, D-D coils are standard on the more notable competition. I have friends who have been very avid Minelab Explorer and now E-Trac users. Depth hasn't been the main reason they have gone exclusively to those models, but it has been for the more reliable Target ID at depth (5"-8") that they rely on. I think some of the improved performance can be credited to the DD coil, but certainly not all. Whatever is coming from White's might not 'convert' all the Explorer & E-Trac and F-75 users, but I am betting that it's going to please many of us because we'll benefit from improved field performance, innovative design, and still have the excellent White's physical packaging and great balance.
Let's all hope to see something soon because warmer weather (for many of us) and spring hunting season is fast approaching!
Monte
beach hunting can be a bit tricky and many don't get the fact that the low-conductive wet salts are part of their problem. Through the more recent years I've had my best performance on Oregon coastal beaches when using a modified Classic III SL or IDX Pro, or the 6000 Pro XL/XL Pro. The M6 and MXT have done 'OK' too, but I actually liked the others more. I know the DFX has worked well for some at the beach, and that's fine. The DFX just lacked something for me that I couldn't quite put my finger on, and I know this has been the case for some others as well.Jason in TN said:
Personally, I am not hoping for a 'suped-up' DFX, but a serious advancement over the DFX.
While I've never been a fan of the 950, preferring a 6"-8" coil on most upper-end White's for most of my hunting, I have favored a more versatile standard coil. Having used a number of Excelerator Double-D coils with very good success on an MXT and M6 I know what the advantages have been. The 10X12 SEF coil worked very well for me i the rather mineralized ground I have to hunt in around here, but I find it just a bit heavy. When I first used the new 10" D[sub]2[/sub] Double-D coil from White's last fall, it took very little field time for me to know I had a perfect coil for the times I hunt plowed fields and other open areas.Jason in TN said:
The more I used it the more I have wished to see it as the standard coil to replace the 950 concentric, thus my 'wish/guess' is to see it offered as a stock coil. As I said, D-D coils are standard on the more notable competition. I have friends who have been very avid Minelab Explorer and now E-Trac users. Depth hasn't been the main reason they have gone exclusively to those models, but it has been for the more reliable Target ID at depth (5"-8") that they rely on. I think some of the improved performance can be credited to the DD coil, but certainly not all. Whatever is coming from White's might not 'convert' all the Explorer & E-Trac and F-75 users, but I am betting that it's going to please many of us because we'll benefit from improved field performance, innovative design, and still have the excellent White's physical packaging and great balance.
My guess is that it will be close to the E-Trac, but I will hole out hope that it will not match it. I'd like to see a new offering reflect a great 'value' with new and improved-performance design without too much of a suggested retail price increase over the DFX.Jason in TN said:
Let's all hope to see something soon because warmer weather (for many of us) and spring hunting season is fast approaching!
Monte
the Distributors went to White's for a meeting and the introduction of 2 new machines in the upcoming months.... Like some of the other post, I prefer the MXT and M6 and would like to see some "tweaking" of these machine...maybe multiple frequencies, standard DD coil, most definitely a back light, 2 tone ID on the relic mode with a multi-tone in the coin mode, AM with ID... too, like Monte said, a change over to the black on the 300 machines for all machines..... Prizms sold well for me but I would like to see something more in the line of the IDX PRO. for some reason the "black box" just commanded more respect...I am sure that White's plans are well thought out and they are very aware of what the competition
has introduced and is working on..... Look for something that hopefully with be a major step forward.... (Jason, I will order you one) Best to all, Richard
has introduced and is working on..... Look for something that hopefully with be a major step forward.... (Jason, I will order you one) Best to all, RichardI'm hoping for a new analog unit such as the XL Pro or even better a slimmer lightweight 5900 but this example would work for me. (WARNING) This is not real. It was done in Photoshop so don't be calling Whites about this new detector you saw posted. Anyway, I would call it the IDX Pro XL and it would have a selectable Freq. of 2 kHz for bad ground silver shooting, 6.59 kHz for general coin and relic hunting and 15kHz for mild ground coin and jewelry hunting.It would also have a selectable 2 filter, 4 filter switch and when used with the selectable freq. would assure your covered for most any situation. I'm not a fan of ground tracking so a manual ground balance with adjustable threshold. I'm not a fan of digital VDI's either so it would have the same IDX Pro style meter but with the added depth gauge for target sizing and when being selectable in my digging. I would probably add a selectable two tone target ID.also. Low tone for iron and high tone for everything else also. This would work anywhere in any type of ground for any type of hunting.
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Jason in TN
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Richard hoping for a Inprovment over the DFX. Whites in my opinion is falling behind but maybe they will have a suprise for us soon. Hope you can tell us more about these two new detectors soon.
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2 kHz for bad ground silver shooting, 6.59 kHz for general coin and relic hunting and 15kHz for mild ground coin and jewelry hunting.
Coming from an electronics engineering background, you might need the frequencies to be spaced in 2KHz multiples (2KHz, 8KHz, and maybe 16KHz). The coils of wire have to be set to specific lengths for the frequencies. 2KHz will have the longest length and 16KHz having by far the shortest. Now I'm pretty sure that White's has some sort of an antenna load for the transmit and receive coils of wire, because the sheer length of wire would be astounding (117,000 feet - 2KHZ, 29,250 feet - 8KHz, and 14,625 feet - 16KHz) and that's for quarter wavelength antennas.
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I'm not a fan of ground tracking so a manual ground balance with adjustable threshold.
Why not have both? I could see having both with the advance of surface mount technology.
2 kHz for bad ground silver shooting, 6.59 kHz for general coin and relic hunting and 15kHz for mild ground coin and jewelry hunting.
Coming from an electronics engineering background, you might need the frequencies to be spaced in 2KHz multiples (2KHz, 8KHz, and maybe 16KHz). The coils of wire have to be set to specific lengths for the frequencies. 2KHz will have the longest length and 16KHz having by far the shortest. Now I'm pretty sure that White's has some sort of an antenna load for the transmit and receive coils of wire, because the sheer length of wire would be astounding (117,000 feet - 2KHZ, 29,250 feet - 8KHz, and 14,625 feet - 16KHz) and that's for quarter wavelength antennas.
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I'm not a fan of ground tracking so a manual ground balance with adjustable threshold.
Why not have both? I could see having both with the advance of surface mount technology.
Can't wait to see what they come up with.
Jason in TN
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